Do you enjoy shooting it, is it accurate enough for your purposes ? Sounds like the answer is yes and yes.

 

A 457 Jaguar as a truck gun? Shooting 1 inch with open irons? It would sure work for me!

 

As a point of reference and perspective, military specifications require a 2-moa level of accuracy for rifles using the standard-issued ammunition for the particular gun involved. 1 moa at 50 yards equals 2 moa at 100 yards. Now military firearms are made to specification by the cheapest bidder (usually). The question is best answered by the user and his use for a given firearm. 2moa at 100 yards would be a 4" diameter, or a missed squirrel potentially. But for shooting rats in the barn it will be just fine. The poster also said this is a truck gun. Now would most of us use it for a truck gun, being abused with every pothole or rut in the road, It doesn't matter whether any of us would be happy with it, it only matters that the owner is satisfied with it. I have seen some guys with absolutely drop-dead gorgeous women who I couldn't get away from fast enough. I have seen some so ugly they could scare the stink out of your shorts. Just goes to show, different isn't better it isn't worse, but it is different.

 

1 moa at 50 yards equals 2 moa at 100 yards.

Not quite. I'm sure you misspoke... er... mistyped. One MOA at 50 yards is still one MOA at 100 yards but is doubled from ½" (roughly) linear measure at 50 yards to 1" (roughly) at 100 yards. I'm sure that doubling in the linear rather than angular measure is what you meant to address.

Just goes to show, different isn't better it isn't worse, but it is different.

Amen.

 

Is 2 MOA really that bad?

Depends entirely on the size of the target you are trying to hit.

 

I will go against the current on this. That gun should be able to do better. Most all 457 I hear about are able to do 0.5" at 50 yards pretty easily. In that sense I would be disappointed with 1" at 50 yards. Does the Jaguar not have the same barrel/chamber as other 457? I don't own a 457, had a 455 loved it, except for the flyers. Got rid of it for something else.

I think you can probably squeeze more accuracy out of if you played with the trigger, stock bedding, etc.

 

Are your groups vertically strung or horizontal? 1" at 50 should get most jobs done that need to be done. But I think it ought to do a bit better. Check the barrel grub screws for equal torque between 30 and 40 in-lbs. Since you got the same accuracy in the stock and the chassis, I'm thinking action screw torque isn't your issue. Those long thin barrels might benefit from a pressure pad toward the front end of the forearm. Also, the Jaguar is threaded right? Is the thread protector on tight?

 

It's what most factory sporting rifles typically shoot. 1" at 50 yards puts food on the table.

 

According to the well known shooter and writer on all things firearm Jack O'Connor, the humane quick kill target on a deer is 6" in diameter. At 300 yards that is 2 MOA while at 200 yards that is 3 MOA. So then, if we stalk a deer to within 200-300 yards and have a rifle capable of regularly shooting 2 MOA, then it is all on the shooter. On the other hand, if we take that 600 yard shot, then we risk setting ourselves up for a long walk in the woods, following that wounded animal. Similarly, if shooting squirrels, 2 MOA at 100 yards should yield a high ratio of quick kills but not at 200 yards.

If shooting a benchrest competition in practically any 22 LR discipline 1/2 MOA is needed to be at all competitive, while my BAT action BR gun in 222 Rem. that was capable of 1/4 MOA was still not competitive in the competition I was considering. I eventually sold that rifle to a man who was buying it for a varmint rifle. It was plenty accurate for that use.

So as many have noted, the intended target really matters when rating accuracy.

 

According to the well known shooter and writer on all things firearm Jack O'Connor, the humane quick kill target on a deer is 6" in diameter. At 300 yards that is 2 MOA while at 200 yards that is 3 MOA.

He has been gone since 1978. The same for Hal Swiggit, Elmer Keith, Skeeter Skelton and a host of others as well.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_O%27Connor_(writer)

With a 2 moa rifle at 50 yards like the others have said, better ammo and you are good to go.

 

My $125 Marlin 25 shoots better than that… If it say CZ on it and it doesn’t shoot good I’d have to move it on to someone who would be happy with it… I just like accurate 22 rifles especially with SK ammo

 

IMO, a rimfire rifle that will deliver 2 MOA consistently is quite fine. If I had that "truck gun" of yours I'm quite sure I'd love it, too. - EJ

 

Bad? Depends on what you want to do with it. If your plinking pop cans at 50 yds, it's fine. If you want to get serious and shoot little groups or (ethically) hunt at that range, then not so fine IMHO. That said, I never have owned a 457 that wouldn't get to 1 MOA with some proper ammo selection, decent scope and a trigger job. I'd bet money yours would do the same.

 

2 moa is what CZ expects for 5 shots.
Not all day long, but capable of doing so on a regular basis.

For a mass produced rimfire rifle, that's good enough.
If the rifle can do so with mediocre ammo, it more than meets expectations.

If you are a bit of a masochist, try 50 shots at a single aim point.
50, 100 yards, doesn't matter, as the results will provide a reference
to compare with the cherry picked bugholes posted on the web.

Or, take up shooting for score. Small groups I can do.
Punching center repeatedly? Not so much.

 

Or, take up shooting for score. Small groups I can do.
Punching center repeatedly? Not so much.

To me, that is the real thing. Shoot 25 shots (one per bullseye) for score. That seems more real world to me. While I shoot groups for sighting in, I shoot 25 bullseye single shot targets to practice hitting what I am aiming at. Here is an example of that. It is OK but shows me I have plenty of room for improvement.

 

I'll take a whack at this one...
I'd say 2 MOA isn't necessarily bad for a short-range hunting gun. I accept that with CCI Min-Mags even in guns that shoot way better with target ammo.
If that's all I can get from a premium brand bolt-action in the $500-$700, it's definitely not good enough.
I recently picked up a Jaguar and if it doesn't do sub-MOA with preferred, premium ammo and near 1 MOA with preferred mid-grade ammo, from a bench at 50yards, properly scoped, bedded, set up and adjusted, I need to be spending my money on something else. In the special case of the Jaguar, I'd expect to have to make some sort of accommodation for the long, whippy barrel to get the best accuracy out of it - barrel tuner, pressure pad, etc.

 

With iron sights, I’d say 2 moa is fine. My Winchester 69A shot a lot of groups over the years like that with the factory aperture sight; however, it wasn’t until I put an old 10X Weaver on it, that I realized how accurate it actually was all along.

 

I only ever had one rifle that was as accurate with it's iron sights as it was with a decent scope. That was my left handed Martini International Mk. 2 with its set of Parker Hale Rear and Anschutz front target sights:

 

I feel 2moa from a truck gun is more than acceptable, considering the type of use a truck gun sees.

 

IMO, using a chassis, BR-scope and SK-RM you should be getting 1/2-3/4 MOA consistently - IF not Better. Using CCI-SV with Diopter sights still should be better than the 2-MOA, tho the CCI is the 'weak link' in the whole situation. Maybe if the groups are consistent so that you can 'expect' where they hit, you can accept that level of 'accuracy'.

 

I’m glad I’m just a squirrel hunter!!! Factory guns with mid grade ammo will do all I need them to do

 

Don’t let these MOA keyboard shooters get to you! Most people cannot shoot MOA or less with any rifle!

 

Don’t let these MOA keyboard shooters get to you! Most people cannot shot MOA or less with any rifle!

I'll wager that many, if not most, folks who post on this forum regularly will be happy to furnish dozens of targets that'll prove you very wrong.
I handload for centerfire (mostly Contender) and I'm not done with load development until I'm seeing sub-MOA for hunting loads. I've got a couple of 10-22s that will do MOA or better with good ammo. Rimfire ammo is inconsistent by nature so often a tight group is ruined by a flyer and there's not much to do about that.
It may be true that "most people" can't shoot well or don't bother trying to but just because you can't do it Doesn't mean it can't be done.

 

I believe the OP stated from the get-go that he was mostly shooting "garbage" type ammo and some CCI SV. Hardly the kind of ammo that will really test most guns potential for accuracy. I would bet that if the OP would step up to some premium ammo (and perhaps do a little lot testing) he would find a dramatic improvement in accuracy. With what he is doing, I think his accuracy is acceptable and to be expected. 👍

 

I will not hunt with a rifle that will not shoot better than 2 MOA because I don't have to. Not saying one can't kill critters with a 2 MOA rifle.

I would take the stock off that CZ and find out what what the rub is. Is your barrel free floating? Float it and shoot again with something like SK Magazine. It is not too expensive.

 

The answer lies in the purpose to which the rifle will be applied. If it's squirrel, rabbit or small varmint hunting then 2 MOA is fine. If it's for benchrest match shooting then it's unacceptable.

I have a 1978 publication by "Shooting Times" that is entirely about .22 caliber firearms. In it, one author concludes that one inch groups at 50 yards makes the rifle better than average accurate. That's 2 MOA. Because I shoot benchrest, I must have sub-one MOA accuracy. Again, acceptable accuracy depends upon the application.

 

Maybe we are looking at this wrong, most of us are looking at this in terms of group size. Point of impact is the most important, if you rifle will shoot a 1” group at 50 yards, centered on the desired point of impact, then no bullet should be more than 1/2” from point of aim. In most cases this would be sufficient for most hunting and field applications.

If you shoot paper all the time, I think we actually get acclimated to smaller groups, typically we make provisions to achieve smaller groups than those we would experience in the field. Without all the benifits of rests, bags, target optics, above average quality ammo and even triggers that may be a bit light for field or a truck gun it’s a different ballgame.

Under ideal circumstances his “Truck Gun” might actually be a 1 MOA rifle when fired under the same criteria many have expressed. How many of us can shoot rifles in the field from improvised rests and obtain benchrest accuracy?

If you ever watched me shoot from the bench or prone and then watched me shoot NRL22 you would see a perfect example.

 

My two best shooting buddies are Bob and Weave......

 

2MOA (1"@50Y) is acceptable for a truck rifle IMO. Heck, that is acceptable for many general use jobs.
Enjoy the Jaguar (457) and keep trying good ammo to see what works best. Results may improve a bit.