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Finally got one...Brno ZKW-465 that is.

27K views 21 replies 18 participants last post by  Pinny  
#1 · (Edited)
Hey All,

I know I alluded to this rifle in a couple of post a month or so ago and also posted about it on another site, but thought I would share here as it is likely to be enjoyed and appreciated here amongst my many Brno & CZ friends. I just received it last night from an awesome fellow RFC'er & I'm pretty excited about it! :bthumb: While it is a bit of a "Big Bore" centerfire :rolleyes: compared to 22LR, it is still a 22. LOL ;) It is one of the original Brno 1949 ZKW-465 .22 Hornet's …predecessor to the modern CZ 527's!

Wahoo!!!

As many of you know, I have been looking for the right one at a fair price for some time. But to be the right one, it had to be in 95% or better and not too altered. (No K's or rebarrels) So many are drastically altered or terribly abused or overly used for what I wanted. Of course I already have my Brno ZKB-680 Fox II in .22 Hornet which is really a great rifle and it even has a DeLUX stock. BUT...I really wanted...no, NEEDED a 465 for many reasons.;) As to my 680, I really like it BUT after having my 465 for just one day, I LOVE it; they really are not even close in comparison.

Many years ago I handled a 465 for just a moment but I had forgotten how amazingly esthetically and ergonomically pleasing they are to the eye as well as to the touch. As soon as you shoulder and handle this rifle once, you know why many folks consider these fine little Czech rifles as one of the finest 22 Hornet sporters ever made. Pretty broad statement but handle one and you will understand. (I have no doubt it will shoot just as well as advertised.)

Next, you all know how much I love the fit, finish and aesthetic lines of the Brno Model #1's. Well think of these as beautiful walnut checkered ever so slightly larger Model #1 with a TRUE miniature Mauser based action in 22 Hornet with twin triggers. (It can be fired standard with a HEAVY trigger or with the hair set trigger in the ounces. Barrel is 22.8" long and over all length is said to be 41.3". weight is about 6.2 lbs. To me, there are several similarities in design between the Brno Model #1 (ZKM-451) & the later released Brno ZKW-465…both have several classic and timeless old world features of a "day gone by". Please note the following photo.

Top: Brno ZKW-465
Bottom: Brno ZKM-451 (Model #1)
(Sorry I can't remember who to give credit to for this photo.)
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To start with, my favorite field open sights are those found on the Brno Model #1/#5's…the tri-leaf express style sights. The tri-leafs on the 465's are set to 100M (center), 150M (rear) 200M (front) whereas the the Model #1/#5's 50/75/100M's. They are otherwise virtually identical. (The 680's are just standard rear sights.) In comparing the 680's vs the 465's, I like the balance, ergonomics, receiver, trigger, magazine, sights, stock shape and fit and finish of the 465 better...it is instantly comfortable the moment you pick it up. I also like the 465's more open ejection system vs. the 680's more closed design. (Think Brno Model #1/#3 vs Brno Model #2, #4 & #5…CZ 452/453's are even more open than the #2, #4, #5.) As noted the fit & finish are superior to the 680 Fox II and for the most part the 527's…and the tolerances are so much tighter yet smoother. The 465's bolt is unbelievably smooth like butter very reminiscent of the Brno Model #1's. (I have not measured yet, but I believe it's bolt is a bit shorter than the 527's...so maybe the throw is less as well as the receiver.) I like the 465 magazine as well as its fit and finish…and ease of use over the 680 & 527's. Like the bolt, the magazine goes in and out like butter and is sooo much easier and smoother than my 680 or 527's. It can be put in with the slightest effort of a single finger and released drop free with a slight but intentional bump of the back of a finger in the trigger guard.

Don't get me wrong, I do love the little 527's as well and mean no disrespect to them just saying what I like better in comparison…just personal preferences. Of note, I probably also like the 527's even more than my 680 for day to day use. Especially considering you can get it in so many various adaptations. I have nearly a dozen of them…and will likely buy a few more at some point. I just LOVE the small calibers.) I'm really fine with the twin triggers of the 465 & 680 overall but feel the 527's single set is likely superior in some ways for a field rifle over the twin trigger and from what I see so far, the 527 is a bit easier to adjust. For buying a new modern small caliber…I just don't think there is ANYTHING better for the money than a CZ 527.

Back to my 465, it looks to have been shot very rarely and the bore and blue are easily +98%...bluing is very deep rich blue with absolutely no scratches pitting or blemishes. There is only the slightest decreased blue on the crown…very slight. The stock is also pretty pristine with a deep rich finish, nice wood, & completely preserved checkering on the grip & forend. The Schnabel is perfect and the rifle just has a couple of safe dings on the stock...not abused. FYI, the Schnabel is a bit more pronounced than a #1 but not overly so like on some Annie's. (JMHO) I have to admit that the only thing I am not fond of on this fine little rifle is the silly aftermarket "White Line Deluxe" butt pad (replaced original saddle butt plate).. Many of them tend to have shrunk or become brittle, but…that will be replaced back to OEM as soon as I can source the correct butt plate. It is also missing it's original front sight hood…hopefully Denny will be able to eventually hook me up with that as well. The rings/base seem to maybe period but I am not as familiar with these. To my surprise it even came with a Weaver K6 scope which looks to be pretty clear. Over all, it definitely seems to be in really excellent condition for a +60 year old rifle and I feel VERY blessed to have been given the opportunity to work a more than fair deal on this rifle! (Thank you.)

Final thought…if you have the opportunity to see one of these for sale at some gun show…DO NOT pick it up and shoulder it…you WILL buy it if you do. :)

See what you think of the pictures I was sent...may add a few more later but thought these were pretty good.

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All the best!
 
#17 · (Edited)
Thank you all for your input & kind words.

Hey All,

Dang...for a moment, I was thinking they deleted this thread. I thought since it was still a 22 & a Brno that it would be fine in the CZ Forum. I guess some one complained and it had to be moved. ;)

Thx all so much for your kind words and laboring through my pretty verbose ramblings...:rolleyes:...I was kinda excited as it really is a great rifle! :bthumb:

Hi Tou
Very nice Hornet, the good news is the mounts are proprietary BRNO;

The very same ones that were on the 3X Lesar when it was offered as a package deal on the Brno 22 LR's and the Hornet. It is actually to take a 25mm diameter scope. But the inch (25.4mm) went in.

This is the one you are after, look for 3X Lesar;
Thx so much Paul...I will have to watch for one of these period scopes but am happy to learn this on the ring/bases. Definitely great to know as I am always learning on these old gems...especially the centerfires. The truth of the matter is that you all in OZ & NZ saw so much more of them in the years after WWII than we did in the States. The Internet has made a huge difference in access to arms and info.

What an excellent little rifle. Very nice.

Is it a shooter or for collection only?
Thx Vincent..that means a lot coming from you as one of the serious Hornet fans. The answer to your question is...BOTH! I have had a niche for on of these for some time in my collection since I am a bit of a Brno fan. BUT...I plan on shooting this rifle a fair amount at times even though I have several other modern small caliber rifles. (19 Badger, .204 .221, .222, 223 etc....soon to add a 17 FB & 20VarTarg.) Can never have too many small calibers or rimfires. LOL :D BTW, I plan on trying some of your tips & pearls as well as loads...thx!

As much as I like my 527 Hornet I am positive that you are correct that this is a more desirable little rifle.
Don't get me wrong Vincent...the 527's are awesome rifles! :t For all practical purposes they work every bit as well in the field or a bench...maybe even better at a bench if a Kevlar Varmint. I also doubt there is much difference in accuracy between the two. I'm sure much of the desirability has somewhat to do with the age and somewhat to do with the rarity of these rifles here in the States not to mention condition after 60+ years. I think allot of the explanation of desirability is in the fit finish & feel of this rifle. They are just different and rarely seen in todays rifles. I imagine the 465's would just be way to expensive and time consuming to build the way that is necessary to produce such rifles in todays world. I.E. "From a by-gone-era...never to be seen again."

The CZ 527's are the closest thing to it today and work just fine...the 465 just feels different. You being the Hornet fan you are...if you get a chance to handle one or shoot one, definitely take advantage as you won't regret it.

Do NOT convert to K-Hornet...
No plans to ever do that...sadly I passed on what may have been one of the finest specimens otherwise last year that had been K'ed. I think that K'ing is probably superior and makes them much easier to load for as well as performs but...hurts the classic'ness of this rifle as well as the collectability and value. (Other than being K'ed this rifle was about as close to 100% as i have ever seen or heard of.)

I may K a 527 one of these days though...its on the list to do eventually.

the latest "replacement" curved butt plates from Denny did NOT have the Z or CZ on them. and need to be "trimmed" to fit the Mod 1 stocks that I got them for...
Yeah I talked to Denny on this but am going to try to locate one OEM...gotta have the "Circle-Z". Denny seems to think the Model #1's should likely fit...it's tough to test with that AM butt pad there.
 
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Weaver 6x

Weaver is re-making their K-series fixed power scopes (may even be steel IIRC) so you can get the upgraded glass/gas and same "period" look... they may be making them only in 4x though.

Nice snag!

Do NOT convert to K-Hornet... the latest "replacement" curved butt plates from Denny did NOT have the Z or CZ on them. and need to be "trimmed" to fit the Mod 1 stocks that I got them for...
 
#12 · (Edited)
Tou,
From the pictures, it looks like whoever put the recoil pad on, took the curve out of the butt of the rifle. If they did, the original butt plates will not fit. If the curve is still there, I think this is what might work:

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If so they are reproduction plates from Hoosier Gun Works that are listed as Model 1 plates; however, they look like they would also work on the ZKWs. Look on their web site.

John
 
#18 ·
Tou,
From the pictures, it looks like whoever put the recoil pad on, took the curve out of the butt of the rifle. If they did, the original butt plates will not fit. If the curve is still there, I think this is what might work:
I hear you John on this have been wondering the same thing...I just can't decide on that yet. I'm trying to decide how much is actually curved in the wood and how much comes from the butt plate itself. Not how the thickness on OEM plates on #1's is thicker on the top & bottom. I'm not sure how much curve is there originally and how much is more of an optical illusion as on the #1's.

Either way, I am guessing who ever fit this butt pad did at least a small amount of sanding. I also wonder if they did it more to add LOP or just because they liked it. If the former, maybe it is still pretty close. Please look at the following photos closely and also your 465's for me. Can you get me a measurement from the back of the trigger guard to the end of the stock? I'm trying to decide if it has been trimmed or not

If so they are reproduction plates from Hoosier Gun Works that are listed as Model 1 plates; however, they look like they would also work on the ZKWs. Look on their web site.
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Denny also thinks that #1's might work...guess I'm just going to have to take the butt pad off & find out. I think maybe I'll wait until I figure out if the LOP was added to or cut down.