Thankfully no one was injured. It would be a good idea IMO to get in touch with Winchester about this. I'm sure they'd like more details and I'd be inquiring about a replacement rifle or a refund.

 

I have that same rifle. Over 2000 rounds of CCI-SV.
Never had a problem. Excellent rifle.
I clean it thoroughly every 150 rounds.

 

Glad the boy's ok no injuries except for maybe a little bit gun shy for a few minutes. My thought is buy him a bolt action rifle it's not a perfectly 100%guarantee that the ammo won't pop in the wrong way but it will be less likely to come apart like a frag.

 

Thankfully your son was not injured when this happened. I would definitely get in touch with Winchester about this.

Stay safe out there,
Ron

 

I expect Winchester will ask for that to be shipped back to them and they'll certainly replace it. You did not mention safety glasses. Its kinda miraculous that your son was not injured, safety glasses or no. Please always use them, "moving forward!" Especially with autoloaders!

 

Do Not do anything with it but 'box' it up and contact Win.
When you get the replacement (All costs should be covered by them) sell/trade it in as a NIB on a bolt gun.

 

Thanks for thr replies guys! Yes I plan to call Winchester today and I did not try to remove the casing, hoping they will replace it for me. I think I still have the original box too

 

OOB detonations can happen, but I think it is inexcusable that the manufacturer didn't provide in its design for a magazine being blown out as a result. The side of the stock should not have blown out like that. Ask for a refund and get your son a 10/22 instead!

 

Yes I should have bought him a Ruger, i love
Mine! I only bought this because it was on sale and was nice and light. And i read a bunch of good reviews!

 

IMHO those are a garbage gun, there's a reason why there are so many available for sale on a certain Canadian gun site.
Your Son learned a very valuable lesson albeit the hard way about a failure to fire. Any failure to fire the fire arm should be placed down pointing down range. This is such a valuable lesson and I commend you for sharing it with us. I assume proper PPE was being used as that's a requirement at our range in Parksville.

 

I called the American winchester number, they were going to send me a shipping label to send the gun to them and send me a new one till he found out im in canada. Then he told me to call Browning Canada.
They basically told me to pound sand said its an ammo problem and I need to provide the original recipt and it has to be within the 1 year warranty period or they will do nothing 🤯😡🤬🤬🤬

 

I called the American winchester number, they were going to send me a shipping label to send the gun to them and send me a new one till he found out im in canada. Then he told me to call Browning Canada.
They basically told me said its an ammo problem and I need to provide the original recipt and it has to be within the 1 year warranty period or they will do nothing 🤯😡🤬🤬🤬

Unfortunately, Browning is now owned by FN Herstal that also owns Winchester. Service and customer support is miserable. I would write to the government consumer affairs agency with pictures and make the point that this firearm is defective and dangerous, with a copy to Browning Canada. That should get their attention!

 

WOW

 

has anyone heard of anything like this happening?

There's a thread around here somewhere of a Ruger doing something similar, in terms of an OOB ignition, and case separation.

Yes I should have bought him a Ruger.....

At least the Ruger isn't a polymer unit like the Wildcat.

 

Curious as to the possibility of a dirty chamber; when was it last cleaned ?

Along those lines, if we could have the lot # of the CCI Blazer so we could determine if it was Fed-mfg or CCI-mfg. The reason I'm curious about that, is that CCI Blazer has a forward driving band known to be a tight fit to match-type chambers (or perhaps a dirty chamber?? for this situation).

Certainly not trying to shift blame, just wondering if there might have been any contributing factors.

 

100 or less rounds through the rifle, and I pulled the bore snake through twice right before he used it so the bore/ chamber were not dirty for sure. It was shot 7 of the 10 rd magazine

 

Dont blow a gasket until you have talked to everybody necessary (you catch more flys with honey than with vinegar).
At some point you may have to mention that the lawsuit would have been considerable if your son had been injured!

 

At that point its better for them to get the evidence by giving them a new gun and come out smelling like a rose in the eyes of the public to boot.

 

Irrelevant if it was bad ammo. Rifle chambered for 22lr, 22lr fired & failed, not that rare. That rifle should have been engineered and built with that possibility in mind. Just my 2 cents.

 

Certainly agree there; has anybody looked in detail as to the safety functions that prohibit the WW action from firing out of battery ?
I'm certainly not even an expert on a comparable Ruger 10/22 receiver, and how it achieves that same goal.

Of course, we don't know if it was an OOB failure or just a basic case head failure. Either way, the rifle should have done a better job.

 

I called the American winchester number, they were going to send me a shipping label to send the gun to them and send me a new one till he found out im in canada. Then he told me to call Browning Canada.
They basically told me to F my hat! 🤬 said its an ammo problem and I need to provide the original recipt and it has to be within the 1 year warranty period or they will do nothing 🤯😡🤬🤬🤬

Unacceptable.

They can’t give you the runaround in a situation like this. I’d go full Karen and climb the corporate phone tree until I got someone who understood the potential ramifications of this.

Irrelevant if it was bad ammo. Rifle chambered for 22lr, 22lr fired & failed, not that rare. That rifle should have been engineered and built with that possibility in mind. Just my 2 cents.

Exactly. Facts are facts.

They should be thankful that they’ve been given advance warning of a potential problem without an injury lawsuit.

 

I’m with other’s. Get him a good bolt action with a removable magazine. Nothing wrong with semi’s but kids and bolt actions just seem to work better to me.

 

Thanks for sharing… Please share Winchester’s response. With this info it seems a bolt gun would be safer.

 

Funny about Ruger too. A 10-22 wont self destruct and the RPR and American are good solid guns. This is true if either one has a plastic stock. It is a solid gun placed into a stock. I say funny because I read some negativity on this forum some from Tikka guys who seem to be on a mission from God. And so much for the reviews. Full disclosure I was not happy with my 10-22 accuracy and traded it away. That is a sample of one.

I have always felt the same way. And I have 6 of them. But hey, by the time you spend $400-$500 MORE on it, and replace everything but the action, the gun will shoot really well, like, just as good as every other $600-700 rifle out there. 😅

I shot two Americans and both deliver 1/2 the group size of the 10-22 without breaking a sweat.

But they don't shoot better than the Savages, despite often costing more. At least, mine doesn't.

There is a pretty big hole in the market right now for a mid to upper level 22 rimfire semi auto. That is way off topic here.

I think the upper level is there, but that mid level isn't filled well. And the crazy thing is, Ruger THINKS they are, with the LVT and Target. And they could fill it, if they'd just put a REAL good barrel and a "better than BX" trigger on a gun, with an actually ergonomic stock. Their LVT or the Target models are close, but you can build a better gun for less, using aftermarket parts on a base model gun.

LOTS of people are already paying stupid money to TacSol and others for upscale 10/22's, and LOTS of people would give Ruger $500- $600 (or more) for a 10/22 that has REAL accuracy and some better features out of the box.

 

Get him a real gun and forget the semiautos. There are plenty of nice bolt action rifles on the market. I dont know what it is that makes folks buy a litlle kid a semiauto.

 

First gun I purchased with my own money was a 10/22 at ten years of age. Never had a negligent discharge or had anything blow up despite thousands of rounds put through it and I still have it 48 years later with the only thing changed being the scope. Bolt actions can cause problems, too if poorly built or not operated properly. If taught properly, kids can handle guns safely and efficiently.

 

I'm glad your youngster is ok. Y'all have some fantastic rifles. I've seen several for sale at reasonable prices at our local Alaskan gun shows over the last several years and have resisted so far. E

 

Glad everyone is ok and I hope they replace it but, I had a similar experience and they wouldn't replace it.

I had a catastrophic failure on a glock about 10 years ago. It was in a period where Glock failures were being talked about everywhere. They asked for it to be shipped to them and I did as they asked.

A couple weeks later, I received an email saying that the cause couldn't be determined OTHER THAN, it wasn't a defect in the gun and they denied replacement. They also declined to return the gun to me.

Out of the goodness of their hearts though, they offered to sell me a new one at an big discount...I think it was $250.

They stated that it was likely a cheap brand of ammo that wasn't crimped correctly, it was Winchester white box, and allowed the bullet to be pushed back into the case causing the failure.

I truly believe it was an OOB detonation but, I had no way to prove it. Hopefully, Winchester is more forthright in how they deal with your issue

 

I,m glad your son is ok. You have gotten a lot of good advice. I would not let this go. There has been a lot of reports of exploding ammo over the last 10 or so years. Maybe a little more. The main replies are a carbon ring, OOB discharge, gun wasn't clean. Maybe this was the reason for a some of them. But I,ve been shooting .22s since about 1970. Marlin, Mossberg, Remington, Ruger, ect semi auto .22s. I,ve never had one blow up. 10's of thousands what was low priced ammo. Winchester Wildcats, Remington T'bolts and Goldens. Federal Power Flite and Hi Power, CCI Blazers and Mini Mags. No booms or bangs. Just ran a rod with a brush and patches every brick or so. My opinion is the modern ammo is out of spec or just crap. As for these mostly polymer guns these days. Tomato stakes. JMO

 

All we can do is hope. I tell people that Hope is 100 miles east of Vancouver.

There’s a town in Germany called Hel. It freezes over almost every winter. So…yep.

When was the gun purchased? I keep all of my firearm receipts. Warranty's are a form of legal contract. Could you please post a picture of the remains of the cartridge if you have it.

The paper and printer many places are using these days don’t last. I’d start taking pictures of the receipts, if I cared about it.

 

There’s a town in Germany called Hel. It freezes over almost every winter. So…yep.


The paper and printer many places are using these days don’t last. I’d start taking pictures of the receipts, if I cared about it.

Best advice I have seen in a long time. Most receipts are not "printed" with an electronic method. It definitely has a shelf life. I got into the copying habit when I claimed a rebate and after even 3 days, the receipt printing was fading. I made a copy for the rebate by turning the contrast on the copier/scanner way up. If taking a photo, make sure you back it up somewhere and not leave it on the phone. Additionally, I would not back up purchase info to a phones cloud storage. That is why I prefer photcopying or scanning to a PDF format.

The same applies to hand-written receipts as newer inks are "non-toxic" or "green" and do not last. However, get a drop of that same ink on a white shirt and it will be there a century later.

 

With <100 rounds through the rifle there is no dirty bore/chamber/action issue.
Of course the manufacturer will blame the ammo.....and ammo manufacturer will blame the rifle.
Just a thought, you may want to reach out to CCI to have them aware and involved.
Your dealer will likely have the record of the sale.

 

Glad everyone is OK. That is scary.