shoot the bear your just protecting your self and your house scheesh the state is wacked up. about the squirrels well if its out of season you are not sopost to shoot them i will leave that one to you.and the coyote shoot him when ever you get the chance. and for the squirrel just side in the yard or on a porch with your 22 and they will come out but they will get smarter

 

Plug the squirrel's entrance holes with wire or mortar depending on the material the hole was made in. Place poison bait in the attick as you would for any rat or rodent. You can't help it if a squirrel gets to it...

If you're worried about coyotes that much I'd recommend putting up a 6' high chainlink fence so the little ones can play safely. You can't always be there and you can't always be certain that you've erradicated "all" the dangerous wild animals. So fencing is the best/safest option.

A bear "in your home" is a direct threat to your life, shoot it. Let the courts settle it later, the bill isn't worth more than your life or the lives of your kids. Bear out side your home, call the department of conservation or animal control and have them trap and relocate the problem bear. If you're more worried about the legal ramifications and are able to make phone calls while there's a bear in your house, then the bear obviously wasn't that threatening in the first place...

Dan

 

Better to be decided over by 12 than carried by 6.

OP

 

A fence for various larger "pests" is probably a good idea. With all animals, if you remove one another usually moves into the territory. Squirrels are particularly difficult to keep out of houses. As recommended, seal all holes or potential entrances.

Keep in mind that poisoned squirrels usually wind up in a wall and do smell for a while

 

i've had very good luck in the battle against the squirrels usin moth balls... pitch a few in all their holes, and any nesting areas they've created in the house... this has worked for me with raccoons also...

as far as the larger critters in the yard, i'd keep a scoped rifle and a shovel handy....... i believe the sayin is "shoot, shovel, and shut up!"

cletus

 

Man Up...



I agree with Cletus...DON'T ASK...just do it man! Moth balls and such is good repelant..BUT.. I have cleaned up a bunch of Tree RATS that were chewing on the house and wiring...That 's war! Agila SuperColibri does the trick or a good pellet gun and pointed pellets...
Side Note..I did ask once about 4 yrs ago in another city I lived in..everyone I asked said..don't tell us and keep it from the neighbors (City PD/Officials, Fish & Game office, etc.).. :bthumb: Take em' out! Have some fun...poison is dangerous...lead poisoning is entertainment.:t

 

Squirrels-Yes, shoot them as long as they are in your house or in the perimeter of it.

Coyote-No, call animal patrol instead if you see it. If it attacks you then shoot it. I doubt that it will harm anyone.

Bear-No, you shoot a bear without a tag then you go to jail. Only shoot it if it's for self-defense, but try to avoid that. If you see it just run inside.

I don't think coyotes are considered pests, same with bears.
Here are some more pests (may require liscense)
-rats,mice,starlings,sparrows,grackles(protected),prarie dogs,badgers(arguable),woodchucks,marmots,rabbits and most other destructive vermon.

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squirrels

I am the squirrel master! (not sure about that one)
I had a nest about 6 feet in diameter in my attic when I bought the house.
I trapped and eradicated 23 squirrels in 3 months.
I used a have a heart trap and sunflower seeds.
The articles tell you to use peanut butter and bread, I had better luck with sunflower seeds (for my birds). That is not why they were there because previous owner did not feed the birds she was 93. The ones that would not go in to the trap got lead poisoning somehow. I left a loaded rws 48 pellet rifle in .22 caliber in the attic . I think they figured out how to shoot each other. I never figured out how the last one got the muzzle to his head and pulled the trigger but he must have he was dead.:Blasting_ :Blasting_ :Blasting_

 

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id tell the animal control officer to kiss my butt, a bear is the same as any other animal not welcome in your home. shoot the squirrels and make a trap outta some chicken wire and some hog rings and u can trap the squirrels also as was stated before.. shoot the coyote also. a pest is a pest and u own the property and u say what comes on it.as some said remember the 3 s"s shoot , shovel, shut up.
david

 

Let start off by saying that I think people should only kill game animals when in season and only if they plan on using the meat and/or fur. Varmints are nuisance critters and are different. In my eyes, animals like raccoon, rabbits and squirrel (and I might add bear to this list) switch from being game animals (when in the timber and fields) to varmints once they enter a yard and/or building. Use a .22 with a very quite load if you can or get a VERY GOOD air rifle and perform the 3 S's.

CB

Let me add, why anyone would call animal control is besides me. Another example of the government thinkin they can resolve a simple problem better than I can.

 

The internet is not the best place to seek legal advice! First of all the game laws vary from state to state and you are getting advice from all over the nation. In New York red squirrels are not protected and they are usually the ones invading attic spaces. So in New York, you can shoot red squirrels year round provided you are not discharging a firearm within 500 feet of someone elses house or building without their consent. That is state law, many local ordinances are more restrictive about firearms discharge.
If the squirrels are grays or blacks they are protected by a hunting season.
As far as the bear breaking in the house, think about it, its illegal to shoot people, but if one breaks in my house when I'm home, somebody's not leavin alive. A mans home is his castle, even in the Peoples Republic of New York.
If you need any info, I would call your DEC regional headquarters and ask a conservation officer for guiadance.

 

I think one of the more popular sayings the forum has is a good call for this thread

Shoot, Shovel & Shut up :bthumb:

 

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I think one of the more popular sayings the forum has is a good call for this thread
Shoot, Shovel & Shut up :bthumb:

What's the Shovel for?

 

pests

here in the west washington any animal that is destoring property,a threat, killing livestock or harasing livestock (not including elk or deer in the destoring crops, you must contact F&W) is fair game, that includes dogs. the best thing to do is shoot now and deal later. the mothball trick also works for skunks and civic cat (hibread of cats and skunks). :harry:
k.k.

 

Common sense must prevail...

Regarding bears specifically, the Missouri Dept of Conservation aims everything at "prevention". Basically, there are several things you can do to "not attract" bears to your property. When a nuisance situation does arise they want you to call a state agency to resolve the matter. However you choose to look at it, they want to prevent the widespread "creation" of excuses that people will come up with to shoot the bears. Any officer or agent will tell you that in a "real" danger situation shoot the darned thing, then call an agent. Common sense is key... If there was a black bear outside my home I would certainly "run" inside. If it was inside already, I'd go to a neighbor's place and call MDC or the sheriff and let someone who's licensed take care of the issue. If the rare occassion ever arose that both myself AND the bear were inside, and I couldn't escape, it's a dead bear. I get the feeling that most people would react in said manner as well.

As it pertains to nuisances caused by game species, this is how Missouri approaches the matter... "beyond reasonable doubt" being the key phrase here.

The following text can be found at http://www.mdc.mo.gov/landown/wild/nuisance/
Section 3CSR10-4.130 Owner May Protect Property, Wildlife Code of Missouri - Subject to federal regulations governing the protection of property from migratory birds, any wildlife except deer, turkey, black bears and any endangered species, which beyond reasonable doubt is damaging property may be captured or killed by the owner of the property being damaged, or by his/ her representative, at any time and without permit, but only by shooting or trapping except by written authorization of the director, or, for avian control, of his or her designee. Except as authorized, use of traps shall be in compliance wi ht 3CSR10-8.510. Wildlife may be so controlled only on the owner's property within twenty-four (24) hours and shall be disposed of only in accordance with his/ her instructions. Deer, turkey, black bears and endangered species that are causing damage may be killed only with the permission of an agent of the department and by methods authorized by him/her. Mountain lions attacking or killing livestock or domestic animals, or attacking human beings, may be killed without prior permission, but the kill must be reported immediately to an agent of the department and the mountain lion carcass must be surrendered to him/her within twenty-four (24) hours.

If you got through all that and are still reading... As it regards to squirrels in the home, just shoot them with a pellet gun and don't worry about it. Unless you're bragging about it at the local hang out or at work, nobody will even know. If someone asks you "how is it that I still have squirrels and you don't", just say "I dunno" and leave it at that.

Regards,
Dan

 

Here in New Jerseystan I'd get off easier shooting my neighbor then a bear!!! Although I wouldn't hesitate to shoot either if they came into my house!!!

Squirrels....well I live trap them as I live in a surburban area, just can't take the chance of shooting them. They are a constant challenge in my vegetable garden though!


Pete 22

 

Here in New Jerseystan I'd get off easier shooting my neighbor then a bear!!! Although I wouldn't hesitate to shoot either if they came into my house!!!

Squirrels....well I live trap them as I live in a surburban area, just can't take the chance of shooting them. They are a constant challenge in my vegetable garden though!

Pete 22

I'm just about to move to an area (sussex co., North Western NJ) that has bears with cubs roaming and the wife has finally agreed to get some training with my shotgun... just in case.
We have young kids so I wouldn't hesitate if necessary..

 

Yeah the three S's work on big pitbulls that corner your mother,as well!:Blasting_

 

Slayer, your post had me ROTFLMAO, thanks!

Pete: live trap sqwerls? why? actually, probably in most states it is illegal to transplant/release a wild animal to another area (it is here in NV). i work in a park where we are overrun with groundsqwerls. i shoot them with a pellet rifle, but often use rat traps which are very effective.

Rabid Dog: coyotes will not bother people generally, wouldn't worry about them. unless your a cat. 'yotes over here LOVE cats.
the bear that waltzed into your neighbors house, well he may be accustomed to that. your local Dept. of Wildlife, should have removed that bear as a nuisance. typically non-threatening bears are trapped and relocated without harm.

do you have a dog? a lab or bigger can be a good early warning system for animal intruders. train him to go after sqwerls too...

wardog

 

I hear you nvwardog, but in the area I live shooting grey squirrels is definitely out of the question, That's the variety I have a problem with. I just can't chance shooting them even with a pellet gun. I fact my Gamo pellet rifle is louder then shooting shorts out of grand dads long barreled single shot. But trust me I've considered both!!!! Shooting would be a WHOLE lot easier.

And you're correct, I am pushing it trapping and transporting, grey's are a small game species..... but I still feel it is my best option. I've tried the trap and drown thing in a garbage can, and that's probably what I should do. But I honestly didn't like doing that...just wasn't comfortable with it. Guess I'm just an old softy

Pete 22

 

squirrels in house

Have you thought about getting a pet ferret?

 

If it was my house, the pests would already be dead, especially the bear. Screw the moron officials, it's not their safety that is at stake.
Anywhere else, the bear would have been trapped or shot before it got into another house or threatened anyone else.

 

Thanks for all the informative, and yes, even funny advice. Well it looks like the NY DEC has a policy toward nuisance wildlife after all, see:

http://www.dec.state.ny.us/website/dfwmr/wildlife/damage.htm#ECL

Bears are exempt as outlined on that page except if they are taking your livestock, poultry, etc. My buddy was havin' the problem with the Black Bear, but in all likelyhood if it were me I'd make every attempt to avoid the bear and call the State Police, DEC or both. If the safety of me or my kin is ever a question it'll be shoot to kill, deal with LEO later. The Winchester 12 gauge is always in the bedroom as a welcoming comittee for any intruders so I'll keep the slugs handy for any nasty *** Bears that won't wait for the LEO to get here.

Thanks Again,
Rabid_Dog

 

see the bear and say oooo crap then run to the local store and buy a bear permit . naaaa just shoot it

 

Shoot the bar in the azz with a 22. He'll be fine and a lot smarter about your digs, pad, crib, dive, roof, home.:snipersmi I went hand to hand with a fired up gray squirrel in my basement after I wounded him with the pellet gun. He came all the way across the basement straight at me with growling noises, not kidding. I harpooned him with my ice fishing spear. Wife, "Are you all right? What the *#@* is going on down there?" Very memorable!!! :harry:

 

Thank You for the mental picture ....... havnt laughed that hard in quite a while :bthumb:

 

My question is when is it O.K. (legal) to shoot pest animals. ?
Rabid_Dog

When it's being pesky maybe! ?

 

nice one lb59
i think you hit the nail on the head

 

Shoot pest when their Pest.. SSS ( shoot, shovel and shutup about it)

 

Why bury squirrels? There isn't much meat but its tasty. I posted on another thread my squirrel messing up the bird feeder story. It went into the freezer. I was violating the local ordinance against discharging any firearm and I don't remember if it was squirrel season or not but my neighbors didn't call the cops and I didn't loose any sleep. I keep an old 22 sighted in with CB caps in case something demands to be shot around the house these days.

I would not start blasting but a shot or two occasionally seems like a reasonable risk when the penalty is a ticket. I won't pay your ticket but that's how I think. If you are far enough out of town that you can legally shoot, then it's just the state wildlife people you have to worry about. They can fine you too and take away your hunting rights but unless somebody calls them complaining the odds are almost exactly zero you would hear from them.

Jim

 

BB or pellet gun works well too