Really opening a can of worms with this one. Please do a search of self defense ammo and then delete this post.

Fwiw, 40 gr. solid points will penetrate more than hollowpoints. This will give your best chance of a successful use in a defense situation.

 

My recommendation....

Bullets.
-S

 

Bullets.
-S

Wal-Mart ammo.

Yep, what they said.

Really.

 

I haven't been here that long and have seen wars over this subject. You should carry a knife too, P22 in one hand and a Ka-Bar in the other. A serious madman look on top of those first two would make anyone run away, but not before they gave you THEIR wallet for being so stupid. :bthumb:

And pretty much any round that goes boom should make some holes, it makes boom sounds right?

 

Wal-Mart ammo.

 

I forgot to add: And preferrably, fired from a Chinese gun.

 

I load mine with stingers or CCI hi velocity.

carry a knife...

and keep an impact weapon in my car...

and stay out of places where I may need the above three.

 

Welcome-
Lots of them.:comeandge

 

Well with any situation where a gun is used, where are you primarily going to be defending yourself? If you are going to be defending yourself in your home and you have children, close neighbors, or anything else BEHIND the person you are defending yourself from I recommend hollowpoints. They are less likely to overpenatrate.

You are responsible for the entire path of every bullet that comes out of your firearm.

If you live in a rural area, live alone, and dont have any neighbors within a few hundred yards then roll with a solid round.

Personally i live in an apartment in a "questionable" part of town, so i have a doberman and use a Hi Point JHP-45 for self defense. You can pick up a Hi-Point for less than $200 (i think i got mine out the door for $180). The .45 ACP is known for its stopping power and i use jacketed hollowpoints to reduce the risk of overpenetration.

 

You just reminded me of Norm MacDonald's routine about dogs.

 

Any LR in brick form

Rare back and hit him with the brick. Several bricks are helpful. Seriously, I have a hard time with people favoring the .22lr as a self-defense round. I've seen posts where folks didn't think the .380 auto was sufficient.

 

Rare back and hit him with the brick. Several bricks are helpful. Seriously, I have a hard time with people favoring the .22lr as a self-defense round. I've seen posts where folks didn't think the .380 auto was sufficient.

Not a bad idea. About 250 rounds in a large gym sock should do a workmanlike job, too.

 

OMG, that was hillarious... glad to know my doberman is not on the corner asking for change.. he's got plenty of work!

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= No Burglers

 

CCi sgb's, or Aguila interceptors, or CCI velocitors, Aguila sniper SSS.
the first three are all hot loaded 40 grain rounds, the sgb breaks into three even pieces. the other two are very fast, especially the interceptor. the SSS round is a full, fat , 60 grain round, solid chunk of lead.

 

Who are you guys kidding? EVERYONE on this forum knows that the minimum self-defense caliber in a pistol is the .475 Linebaugh.

After all, 250 lb., drug-crazed men with no regard for their lives lie around every corner. Or, there's the entire Chapters of Hell's Angels that are heading toward you at any particular moment.

If you decide to rely on the .22 for your defense, for whatever reason, then the ammo to have is reliable and accurate in your gun. Bulk ammo is great for plinking, or developing sklills, like malfunction drills.

Get a premium round from the Big Three, and go from there.

The .22 isn't the best choice, but it beats the advice received above.

 

I like a 12 gauge pump with 00 Buck and would not be able to advise you on which 22 round is the best.

 

They make 12 gauge pump handguns now?

 

Only if you watch Miami Vice reruns.

Taurus now makes a .410 revolver.

 

Whatever happened to that Dead Horse??

 

they do make a full auto shotgun..
http://midamericarecreation.com/aa12_automatic_shotgun.htm

 

the kind that shoots .....

 

I was waiting for a post like this to pop up again. The last one went a whopping 27 pages! Let's see if this one can break that.

As for what ammo is best to use, I have to say the one leaste likely to jam in your gun with the heaviest grain. (If I HAD to use a .22 for self defense, I'd pick the magnum round even if it meant using a single action revolver.)

 

Seems there are many people here getting upset when they see .22 and personal defense close to each other!!! many people believe .22 stings and not kill! just wonder why some secret services used Bretta .22 for assasination (and assasination means killing with 1-2 shot top!) I guess the shooter and personal protection technique are more important than caliber - everone knows higher caliber has better chance of killing or stopping intruder (probably if you have .50 caliber in your bedroom its better than anything else - of course if you know how to shoot it and not throw it to bad guy!!!)

In confrontation with bad guy if he has a gun and already drawn it, there is not much difference between what caliber you have in drawer or your holster best thing is NOT DRAW it because 9 out of 10 you are looser if you want do anything. If BG doesn't have gun or it is not drawn or he has a knife or something then you want something in such stress situation shot it accuratley and as much as you can plus leave the scene as soon as possible - unless you are a well seasoned shooter and trained in tactical position under stress situation with one hand control recoil and aim is not easy like you do on range - probably you have to shoot in dark / not aiming in straight angle ...so if the BG standing and not moving in a well lighted area in straight angle and I can hold my gun with both hand aim, breath, hold breath, hold and shoot I prefer let see a 1911 in 45 caliber or may be a Glock 17 and I would have good grouping !!! (hmmmm thats only happening in range!) but if I want to shoot while I running out of situation (first lesson in first defense!) I guess shooting a p-22 with a good ammo is more manage able than my Glock.

 

One school of thought says that non expanding 22 ammo (solid roundnose) won't do enough damage.

The other shool of thought says that expanding 22 ammo (hollow points) won't penetrate deeply enough.

Which is right?

They both are.

 

One school of thought says that non expanding 22 ammo (solid roundnose) won't do enough damage.

The other shool of thought says that expanding 22 ammo (hollow points) won't penetrate deeply enough.

Which is right?

They both are.

The smart alec kid at the back of the class raises his hand and asks if Hp's will come out of a pistol barrel fast enough to expand or if they would just behave like solids anyway.

 

that's what I heared - and that's why I'm here - I guess one strategy would be load your mag with each every 1 or 2other round -

 

One school of thought says that non expanding 22 ammo (solid roundnose) won't do enough damage.

The other shool of thought says that expanding 22 ammo (hollow points) won't penetrate deeply enough.

Which is right?

They both are.

that's what I heared - and that's why I'm here - I guess one strategy would be load your mag with each every 1 or 2other round -

I guess my attempt at subtle wit was too subtle. My point is it doesn't matter WHAT kind of ammo you use a 22 isn't enough for serious defensive work. And as far as I'm concerned that's the only kind there is.

 

Not sure which is correct.I believe where the round hits would make the difference. I saw a police photo from a friend of an attempted suicide. The gal shot herself in the forehead with a .22 LR solid,anyway that is what was left in the revolver.The bullet entered the forehead and followed the skull around and exited 4"at the top of her head,left a nasty plowed furrow.I don't know what the outcome would of been with a HP.Bet she had a headache.

 

Ohh i forgot that you could always take a drill and make a large hollowpoint and fill it with a "liquid heavy metal" and then seal it with candle wax.

The might not die that second, but they will soon after that

 

The Army has test

the answer is CCI SGB.
It penetrates more, does not open up, has a flat tip to transferr energy,
and is made of a harder "lead"
Also, Shooting Times did a test back in the 70's, on this very subject, same answer.
So Answer= CCI SGB
BTY I live near Ft Benning and mess around at those ranges.
Several AMU shooters looked it up for me. This was several years ago.
Therefore, if I ever HAD to use 22 lr , I would use SGB.
HOWEVER I cary a friend with me " Mr. Glock"

 

Why? Would you be laughing at yourself if you were shooting your .22 rimfire when someone attacked you? What would you do? Ask him to hold on while you got your .475 Linebaugh from the case? Perhaps you'd drop your .22 and tell him that he's "lucky that I'll need another month before I can buy my .500 S&W"?

I lived in a state where CCW was the province of the politically connected. The only way to carry outside of your property was with the weapon and ammunition physically separated. Pretty much obviated ALL firearms use outside of the home. A lot of shooting was done in the various quarries and gravel pits in the area, with permission of the owners. Some of them had security, and allowed ONLY rim-fire weapons, as there was a bit too much machinery parked for the owners to feel comfortable with anything heavier. If you wished to shoot, it was .22 ONLY on your person. There were also a lot of dirt bikers trespassing on the property. On one occasion, after shooting for several hours into a 100 foot vertical berm, we were interrupted by a group of dirt-balls on dirt-bikes. They informed us that we were blocking their "trail". They were told that we'd stop shooting, and watch as they made the jump down. This caused some ire amongst the group, and they began to get ugly. We reminded them, politely, that they were trespassing, while we had a letter of permission to shoot. As they began to play "circle the shooters" on their bikes, my friend had enough, and badged them, he was a County PD. They ignored him until the leader came too close, and he was unceremoniously pulled off of the bike by the cop. At this point things got really tense. By then, we had all (3 of us) had enough, and the .22 rifles were held at the low-ready. The group (9 or 10) informed us that we " weren't going anywhere", because we weren't all cops. I had to laugh. I asked the next loudest-mouth if he thought that being shot with a .22 was going to make him feel all that good. Several of them left at that point. Shortly afterward, the security guard, who had already called the police, let seven or eight cars into the gravel pit, then brought them to our location. They arrested the dirt-ball that the cop had unhorsed, and those still remaining, and confiscated their bikes. What was funny was seeing the group that had left come back with "help", in the form of another 3-4 bikers, and they, too, be arrested and the bikes confiscated.

Had we not been armed, even with the "makes you feel better" .22 rimfire, there would have been a physical encounter with the original bunch. Thanks, but 10-3 odds aren't my favorite. They did, however, balk at direct attack due to the possibility of being shot. It's ALL that we had. Now, which ignoramus thinks that I should have used a stick, or a rock?? Perhaps thrown bricks of ammo at them? Or some other totally useless piece of advice.

By the way, I have no idea how this happened without Hells Angels, or the 250 lb. drug-crazed monster that some posters keep dredging up. Instead, we got a group of late teen, early twenties riders who were known to cause trouble wherever they got together.

 

Why? Would you be laughing at yourself if you were shooting your .22 rimfire when someone attacked you? What would you do? Ask him to hold on while you got your .475 Linebaugh from the case? Perhaps you'd drop your .22 and tell him that he's "lucky that I'll need another month before I can buy my .500 S&W"?

I lived in a state where CCW was the province of the politically connected. The only way to carry outside of your property was with the weapon and ammunition physically separated. Pretty much obviated ALL firearms use outside of the home. A lot of shooting was done in the various quarries and gravel pits in the area, with permission of the owners. Some of them had security, and allowed ONLY rim-fire weapons, as there was a bit too much machinery parked for the owners to feel comfortable with anything heavier. If you wished to shoot, it was .22 ONLY on your person. There were also a lot of dirt bikers trespassing on the property. On one occasion, after shooting for several hours into a 100 foot vertical berm, we were interrupted by a group of dirt-balls on dirt-bikes. They informed us that we were blocking their "trail". They were told that we'd stop shooting, and watch as they made the jump down. This caused some ire amongst the group, and they began to get ugly. We reminded them, politely, that they were trespassing, while we had a letter of permission to shoot. As they began to play "circle the shooters" on their bikes, my friend had enough, and badged them, he was a County PD. They ignored him until the leader came too close, and he was unceremoniously pulled off of the bike by the cop. At this point things got really tense. By then, we had all (3 of us) had enough, and the .22 rifles were held at the low-ready. The group (9 or 10) informed us that we " weren't going anywhere", because we weren't all cops. I had to laugh. I asked the next loudest-mouth if he thought that being shot with a .22 was going to make him feel all that good. Several of them left at that point. Shortly afterward, the security guard, who had already called the police, let seven or eight cars into the gravel pit, then brought them to our location. They arrested the dirt-ball that the cop had unhorsed, and those still remaining, and confiscated their bikes. What was funny was seeing the group that had left come back with "help", in the form of another 3-4 bikers, and they, too, be arrested and the bikes confiscated.

Had we not been armed, even with the "makes you feel better" .22 rimfire, there would have been a physical encounter with the original bunch. Thanks, but 10-3 odds aren't my favorite. They did, however, balk at direct attack due to the possibility of being shot. It's ALL that we had. Now, which ignoramus thinks that I should have used a stick, or a rock?? Perhaps thrown bricks of ammo at them? Or some other totally useless piece of advice.

I'm going to guess that this is in response to my last post. Yes, if it's all you have, I'll grant you that a 22 is better than nothing.

However, most of the time you have some choice in what you use for self defense. If you do, choose something else.