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Westernfield 37/Mossberg 30 questions and pics.

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Ok, here is my Westernfield 37/Mossberg 30. I was given this gun by a neighbor that said it was sitting in his barn for the better part of 30years, and he never shot it. I looked up a little bit on it, and it looks to be just a cheap single shot bolt action made by Mossberg from 1933-1935 (correct me if I am wrong). It is mostly complete, except for the rear peep sight seeing as its missing.

What model peep do I need to get to make this gun complete?

Also, any comments on refinishing this gun? I cleaned up the metal with oil/steel wool and it looks ok, but still has some heavy rust on the end of the barrel. I was thinking of sandblasting and re-bluing or maybe getting it duracoated. As far as the wood, I will sand/stain/poly the stock as it is a gorgeous stock to me, but what color stain?

Any other ideas on what do do with the gun?
 
#2 ·
Are you certain that it is a Westernfield 37? I know that the cross reference on damguy's site ( http://home.epix.net/~damguy/models.htm ) shows a WF 37 as being a model 30, but it looks more like a model 14 to me. The only problem is that the D & T pattern is for a #4 (read: hard to find) or later sight and it is also D & T'd for a scope which would indicate a later model.

If the rust is heavy, I would be inclined to sand the barrel (by chucking it in a lathe) starting with some 180 grit and finishing with some 320 wet or dry and then re-bluing it. (Brownell's Oxpho-blue works well).
There are others on this site who can talk you through re-finishing the stock.
 
#4 · (Edited)
Is your 30 D & T for a scope? and does it have the semi-beavertail/

I just checked mine, It has the grooved stock, is drilled (single tapped hole) and milled with 2 vertical slots for the #3 sight, is not D & T for a scope and has the larger knob at the rear of the bolt. It also has an "automatic" safety that engages when the bolt is closed. To disengage it, you must pull back on the knob and turn it counterclockwise.
 
#5 ·
Yeah I am sure its a 37, thats what it says on the barrel anyway. Wards Westerfield Model 37 .22 S-L-LR

It is D&T (2 holes) on the left side of the reciever and then has the 2 holes I showed on the back.
 
#8 ·
The #3 sight mounts differently than all subsequent receiver sights. The 2 hole pattern that yours has is for the #4 and later sights. The notch in the stock at the receiver sight is typical of what you would find on one with a #4.
 
#7 ·
Another "Mossberg Mystery"!!!

One of the "older" collectors may be able to identify what the actual cross is for your rifle - (come on in rosscoe).

It's still a nice find and well worth restoring. .
 
#9 · (Edited)
I have a W-T 37 rifle and a Moss 14 rifle.
My W-F 37 is identical to the Brandon21 rifle shown. With the # 4 reciever sight and reciever D&T'd for a scope base. With the sling swivle in front in the same location.

My Moss 14 rifle is a totaly differant rifle with a #3 reciever sight. The Model 14 has a totally differant bolt and the action is differant and shorter in length. The stocks on both rifles look almost the same but the Model 14 stock is about 3/4 inch shorter in OAL. The sling swivles mount the same. Since the Model 14 action is shorter in length the Model 14 action screw is about 3/4 inch closer to the trigger guard.
Just got back from a gunshow and tired. I will compare the W-F 37 to my other rifles tommorrow and see if we can solve this.


Well this was bugging me so I checked my other Mossbergs. I found no other Mossberg that compares to the W-F 37 stock. I was tired tonight but I will check later for another Mossberg action and bolt that compares to see if the W-F 37 was another Mossberg model that was dropped into a W-F 37 style stock for wards. More later.
 
#10 ·
The WW37 crosses to the Mod 30 ,his shows the semi beavertail stock. I have a WW35A that also crosses over to the Model 30 ,but has the grooved forestock.http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=155603&highlight=legend+of+the+wolf So it appears there in lies the difference. Don't duracoat etc. clean it up and coldblue it and strip the stock and stain with minwax Rred Mahogany, and finish with BLO or Tru-oil / Poly don't belong on guns MHO ~~JMJ~~
 
#11 ·
Yeah, I'll do the Red Mahogony stain, and since I have some Birchwood Casey cold blue, I'll try that.

As far as sanding the barrel/reciever for bluing? What grit sandpaper do I start and step down to finish with? Also, I want to take the sights off to get a better blue job, but I am afraid to take them out for fear of them not going back into place, or me not being able to get it sighted back in.
 
#14 · (Edited)
The unknow continues on the W-F 37. Since I have a complete rifle also and the Cross-Over chart shows a Moss Model 30 and that is incorrect I did some research on my rifles.
I have narrowed it down somewhat. If the Damguy bolt cross-over chart is correct in it's referances.

It is not a:
bolt 123 Moss model 10,14,14,25 125, or Model B
bolt 224 Moss model 20,21,24, Model c
bolt 320 Moss model 30,34
bolt R395 Moss model 26B,26C
bolt 45A34 Moss model 45A, 45AC
bolt 46A34 Moss model 35A, 35B, 46A, 46AT, 46BT
bolt R193 Moss model 42B,42C,42M, 44B

Plus it appears it is not one of the newer style of bolts since the rifle has a simple metal trigger guard and not the finger groove style.

Bolt model it may be as I don't have these models:
bolt 432 Moss model 40, 44 ( couldn't locate my model 40 rifle) (model 40 & 44 are tubular magazines)
bolt 42-15 Moss model 42, 42S, 42BT (model 42 is a clip fed)
bolt 43-34 Moss model 43, 43S, 43SS, 43B, 42, 42A, S42A (however I have model S42M) and it's not that model (model 43 is clip magazine)
bolt 42A34 Moss model 42AS, 42ABT ( model 42A is clip magazine so 42AS probaly is to)

Does anyone have any of these Mossberg models to check the bolt style to clear up this strange W-F 37 Mossberg model?

The bolt on the W-F 37 is diferrant than most Moss models.

I just checked the Moss model chart and found out all the unknown models I lested are either tubular or magazine fed.
So now I don't have a clue.
 
#15 · (Edited)
SEE post #10 , open the link and look @ my WW35A it's the same gun different stock thats the diff between his 37 and the std crossover WW35A I have to the model 30 . a stock change and reciever site to the #4 from the #3 my WW35A appears to be an earlier version than the 37 ,hence the #3 sight. ~~JMJ~~
 
#17 ·
Brandon 21 - I see you are on the East Coast of this great country. That is the problem. That rifle should be on the West Coast. Specifically, here in the great state of Washington at my house in Vancouver. Send the rifle to me and I promise this identity crisis will pass. PM me for my address and BTW, I won't charge you anything to handle this matter. Bob
PS - I think you will really enjoy that rifle when you get it cleaned up and shooting.
 
#18 ·
West coast huh? I mean, it could go there for the right price lol.

I have it sanded down and ready for some work. I bid on a #4 sight, but it went up to $60, and I dont really need one that bad. Its a nice gun, and shoots **** good. Trigger is VERY light.
 
#24 ·
I pulled out the W-F 37 and Moss model 30 rifle.

The bolts are similar but many differances between the two. The cocking piece are differant. The cutouts out for the safety device are cut rather differant.

I don't feel the two bolts are the same even with upgrades. But who knows what Mossberg did.
 
#25 ·
I pulled out the W-F 37 and Moss model 30 rifle.

The bolts are similar but many differances between the two. The cocking piece are differant. The cutouts out for the safety device are cut rather differant.

I don't feel the two bolts are the same even with upgrades. But who knows what Mossberg did.
Many crossovers&odd balls? I would presume;)
Is one bolt much longer,than the other?