Here is a link to the thread on the other forum....

Savage Mark II BTVS

Recently got through putting this thing together as to freeing up the bolt, polishing the bore and so on and so on. Hoping it is as good and preferably better than my 597 for long range. My 597 can go under 1" at 200 yards. This being a bolt gun should do that plus once I find the right ammo...

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Careful reading of the original post in the link
doesn't include the claim of "all day long".

My Marlin 60 has produced a 3 shot group that was sub-moa at 200 yards.
Once, nowhere near my point of aim, never repeated since.
But hey, it shows it is capable of doing it, right?
Love the random acts of accuracy.
Wonder how that rifle in the link would do on the Grid at 50 yards?
Someone ought to ask him.

You are nuts on. Some of the accuracy claims are a bit much. Not just on this site either.
Guys splitting playing cards with 17HMR and regularly putting holes in dimes at 100 yds???? MIRACLE..

 

Ha! How many shots in a group - 2?

jaia may want to chime in on this -

50 at 200

I think I've come up with a useful scenario...maybe. :rolleyes: 50 shots at 200 yards, rimfire, whatever setup makes you happy. 22lr, 17 hmr, 22wmr, 17hm2, 17wsm, all brands, all types. Full benchrest setup, bipod, bags, or one-piece test rest, it doesn't matter. Grab a chunk of cardboard...

www.rimfirecentral.com

 

I normally don't stray into this section of RFC,

but...

That there claim is dang funny.

 

I believe he MIGHT be able to shoot 1 round and only miss by an inch.

 

It’s quite possible, but not probable. You may get one group sub MOA, but it’ll be rare.

 

Sub-MOA groups, be they 3 or 5 shot, at 100 yards with any rimfire are cause for celebration IMHO. Sub-MOA more than once, if at all, at 200 yards is something I`ll need to see happen on video before I would believe it.

 

Careful reading of the original post in the link
doesn't include the claim of "all day long".

My Marlin 60 has produced a 3 shot group that was sub-moa at 200 yards.
Once, nowhere near my point of aim, never repeated since.
But hey, it shows it is capable of doing it, right?
Love the random acts of accuracy.
Wonder how that rifle in the link would do on the Grid at 50 yards?
Someone ought to ask him.

 

Jester . . . you must be joking.

 

Theres another forum?

 

THAT'S funny.

 

Back before the World Wide Web and the internet were a thing, I was considered a pretty good shot , but these days it’s a wonder they don’t pull my range card.

 

No one on that forum believes him either.

 

..Is this possible with a 597?

Anything is possible, but in this case? No Way

 

Use to be a "gunsmith" in the Savage forum who claimed to have shot the perfect 1 hole 5 shot group at 50 yards. One very slightly oblong hole which he claimed measured .220 all with a Savage bolt action .22lr and a cheap scope using at best so-so ammo, maybe its him over there.

 

Probably off hand at that

 

Well. Old Syko said to go to a ABRA match. Have one tomorrow. Last of the year. I’ll report back on our 200 yd groups

 

Well I believe it and, only 51 days until Santa time.

 

One thing that makes me think it might be close to possible but not a 100% sure without seeing it first hand is the fact that I have two remington 597's that shoot very well. A 597 16" HB green stock version and a 597 aac-sd 16" sporter barrel. The HB rifle is the most accurate 22lr I've ever owned. I've never shot it past 53 or 54 yards though. It's stock other than stoning and polishing the hammer/sear and polishing the guide rods. The aac-sd is stock except for a volquartzen target hammer and polished guide rods. I haven't put as many rounds through the aac-sd as I have the HB model. But even with the volquartsen hammer the aac-sd has a much heavier trigger for now. The HB will shoot circles around my savage mark ll's with its preferred ammo. The aac-sd is so far doing almost as well with the heavier trigger. I'm going to put much bigger glass on the aac-sd as soon as I make my mind up what to go with. I'll have to look through my old targets to make sure but cci standard velocity and rem sshp turned in impressive groups in the HB at 50yds. Mini mag rn and hp did well too. The aac-sd was looking good with Norma tac 22 at 50yds. Most of the shooting I've done with these two have been with 3-9x40 scopes but did go up to a bushnell banner 4-12x40 on the HB.
I've only recently started shooting 22lr at 100yds and it has been with a savage mark ll minimalist. Nothing earth shattering as far as accuracy goes but I was still impressed with what I shot at that range. 1 1/2"-2" groups with mini mag hp. And I know the HB will out shoot it at 50yds. So it seems to me I'm gonna have to take the two remingtons out to atleast 100yds very soon. I don't even know if I'll be able to shoot at 200yds but will see if I can find a spot on the local wma. I'm gonna have to decide on that new scope pretty soon!! Oh I'll look through my old targets I've saved and see what I have from the remington 597's.

 

No way.
Shoot a 10 round group and I’ll consider it.

 

I once produced a 0.23 inch 5 shot bughole at 50 yards.

Seriously, I did.

Put 2 in the same hole, put the next 3 into the berm.

What? You've seen my Grids.
That's the only way I could get it done.

 

I one shot a sub. .125 MOA group with .223 @ 600 yds. Problem was it was my 2 sighters. Still a big thrill as it was my first 2 shots with the rifle.
Other problem is I'm not a quitter. I keep shooting until my groups open up.

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Bottom line is I don't believe the guy.

 

 

You beat me to it.....

 

What is it jaia calls them, "random acts of accuracy"? I once shot a sub 1inch group at 200 yards with my Rem. 788 in .243, actually smaller than my average group at 100 yards with that rifle, but it wouldn't do it all day nor every day dang it.

 

I pooted perfume once...

 

This might possibly be the ultimate example of "A Random Act of Accuracy".

A couple of years ago at the Kansas State ARA Tournament, I fired my normal 2 fouling shots at the "e" in "Rimfire" from a freshly cleaned barrel on this target. I was shocked beyond belief when those 2 shots went thru the same hole taking the "e" out and decided to add shots until it was no longer a single hole.

After adding 3 more shots for a 5-shot group and still being a single hole, I thought I'd better start doping the wind before I went to the regulation bulls and save as much time as possible because it was a windy day.

After taking the target home, I measured the 2 foulers/3 sighters in this group using OnTarget TDS at 0.059" CTC.
Contrary to what you see on most forums, Zero grps are incredibly rare and this is what they should look like.
The normal accuracy and precision of this rifle is displayed in the 2 x 3-shot groups adjacent to the sighter/foulers.

I'm not sure what was the most fun! Shooting this group or the 2500 target I shot! LOL

Landy

 

He posted a picture of the rifle on an earlier post. It's a 597 TVP which is a definite upgrade of the $160 base model. But really, sub MOA at 200yds. I have a 597 and I don't think that is a repeatable precision. Maybe indoors but on an outdoor range I doubt it.

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What to do with it?

It's a Remington 597. Last weekend I spent an evening helping my SIL move. This and an 18 pack of Bud Light was my payment. Her soon to be ex bought it years ago when they lived in NJ for bear control (I know). I think that I would like to build it like can a 10/22. I hear that they were/are...

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He posted a picture of the rifle on an earlier post. It's a 597 TVP which is a definite upgrade of the $160 base model. But really, sub MOA at 200yds. I have a 597 and I don't think that is a repeatable precision. Maybe indoors but on an outdoor range I doubt it.

Post #23

What to do with it?

It's a Remington 597. Last weekend I spent an evening helping my SIL move. This and an 18 pack of Bud Light was my payment. Her soon to be ex bought it years ago when they lived in NJ for bear control (I know). I think that I would like to build it like can a 10/22. I hear that they were/are...

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LOL. the random act of accuracy may hold true here. I won't claim it did not happen, but also think it is not repeatable.
After shooting LR with centerfire for 13 yrs, I have seen some groups at 1500 yards and beyond that were clearly a result of atmospheric conditions, even after a shooter claimed he pulled it right after a shot. I've also seen vapor trail clearly get pushed off the side of a target only to get blown back on.
About 10 days ago the wife and I were shooting our his and hers Kidd builds, I informed her that I paid a fair amount of coin for the scope and mount she was using and maybe, just maybe she could engage steel past 300 yards with it. When we engaged a 12" circle at 300, both of us were using up the whole target for about 5 shots, then a slight shift of wind and both of us were putting all of our shots into the same 3.5" splash, for one and a half magazines worth. After a reload and a switch to a 5" popper right beside the circle, the rodeo started again, and I did considerably better because I was shooting at the widest point of the popper, she was hitting low, and we didn't realize this till we picked up the targets.
I'd love to shoot my rifles indoors, not an option though.

 

I want to see that target getting shot on video. I have lots of sub 1 inch groups at 100 yards. But 200 yards? It is possible if while shooting at 200 yards several went into a group of that size, but where was that in relation to the bull? If you do jaia's 50 shots at 200 test you will see what I mean. There has to be zero wind.

 

The wind can blow them together sometimes.

 

It's 1/2 MOA.
I have a Remington 700 that has produced under .250" at 100 on occasion. In no way would I claim its a 1/4 MOA rifle. TBH I'm thrilled with a consistent under 1/2 MOA out of a CF @ 100. No only is it rifle and load, but also bipod, rear bag and shooter all having to work well. Can't do it off of some benches at some ranges.
Just something in the vibe of the guys post that makes me doubt it as well as the mechanics of it.