how deep are your pockets?


one still has a Ruger receiver everything else you see is aftermarket a.ka. build parts assembled.

And then you start a.k.a. building handguns, parts assemble I don't think anything is Ruger except the bolts on these.

 

I just ordered a Tippmann M4 rcr to use for sc. It is a 22 AR15 platform.

 

I'll present the AR option....I built a chassis 10/22 when I first started looking at Steel Challenge, and while it was a Frankengun of mixed vendors, all were good quality.... I had problems getting the reliability out of the highly regarded 10 round rotary magazines...at the time I had been shooting 3 gun and action rifle for over 30 years, and the AR platform was very familiar, as was an AR9 PCC for USPSA... friends were shooting the polymer SW 15-22s, but I wanted something slightly heavier (I know, counter intuitive to a lightweight fast swing rifle) I had an added benefit... I had a registered SBR, so picked up a dedicated CMMG 9" barrel and Model B stainless bolt... I had the same grip, trigger, SOCOM cheek weld, and controls I was familiar with... the short barrel was a bonus, but a super lightweight fore end would be available, or just a foam grip on a bare barrel if wanted...with 23 rounds in a Black Dog stainless feed lip magazines I have to interrupt a course of fire only once after the 3rd string to reload, not 4 times with a 10 rounder.. the CMMG unit is very reliable with any CCI ammunition... it is topped with a Holosun 510c green scope... the CMMG unit has the ejector on the bolt rail and not hanging off the rear of the barrel like the 15-22 where it can interfere with the magazine, and the stainless feed lips do not wear where the rims contact the feed lips of a 15-22...the liability I see to the 10/22 is that the ejector and feed ramp is part of the magazine lip... I had 4 black rotor mags from the mid 90s and 6 red rotor new magazines.... the black rotor mags measured within .005" front to rear... the red mags .015" front to rear... at that point I decided to pursue the AR platform....

a long time shooting friend has one of the Tippman aluminum ARs, and is very happy with its performance... I've not shot one in competition, however...

good luck with your choice..... there are a lot of M and GM shooters using a 10/22... as long as Outer Limits is a stage, I doubt I'll ever get out of A... regards Les L747

 

Depends. Just starting out in steel challenge? I give the custom rifles a run for their money with a 10/22 in an Archangel stock with Power Customs springs and trigger and a Holosun 510 green dot. BX 25 mags and Federal Auto Match both run flawlessly in it. If you can find one, a TCR 22 makes a good iron sight rifle with just a stock change.

 

If you want to spend the money...KIDD. I love this rifle and it is fast.

 

I have a Kidd Supergrade 20" barrel, with a Kidd 2 stage trigger, it is now in a Titan stock. I would a lighter stock and to increase the trigger weight, it is 3oz/3oz now.
My main concern with the SG is it needs to be cleaned every 200 to 300 rounds to stay reliable. How clean do you need to clean your's?

I may just start from scratch with a new gun, maybe Ruger?

 

I have been using a stock 10-22 sporter with a truglo optic and 25 round Ruger mags, I usually finish near the top at our club, so far my best time in smoke and hope is just over 2 seconds that is not bad for a c shooter also I am a super senior.

 

Do you live in a free state? If you go out of state is it only to free states? That would mean no stop overs in non-free states if flying. If then, a SBR. They're fast. And while fake barrels to get short barrels to 16" isa thing, a SBR doesn't mess with a 16" anything, barrel, or fake extension.

Here's my RFRO, I was the manufacturer and all the parts are off the shelf. It started with a Ruger Charger Takedown with the goal being the smallest, lightest to pack rifle that I could build. Then I realized that I built a (to my way of thinking) perfect RFRO, It evolved and as I realized "this would be better" I removed what was on it and added the new part(s). It weighs 4# 8ozs pictured below if memory serves. I have handguns that weigh more than it does. Due to the TacSol barrel it's a tack driver. Thanx to ATF the buffer tube and stock I had on it came off, and an arm brace I had on another pistol came off of it and went onto this. That dropped the weight 8ozs to what it is today. That change also made the handgun it was on smaller, lighter, faster, and just as accurate because now I cheek it and I'll also wind up with faster times in RFPO. As an arm braced handgun it wasn't acceptable in SC, but as a handgun it is. So now I drive once and I shoot both handgun and rifle .


OK, the downside to a SBR. If it goes across state lines ATF needs to be notified ahead of time. I don't so that's no big deal for me. If you fly to a match and for some reason the plane sets down in a police state, you're screwed if anyone detects it. If it's illegal there it's illegal there, pure and simple. Again, I don't do that but if you do it could be a major issue. Myself, if I desired to leave Maine to compete (I have no desire) I would just leave the SBR home and just take the handgun and even that would have issues in states that aren't free since the smallest mag for it is a 33 rounder.

edit: I forgot a downside. ATF collects a $200 tax so that the builder, in the case of the above rifle, that would be me, out of jail for 20 years. You must have the tax stamp in hand before beginning any work on it.

 

Take a look at the magnum research rifle the axiom stock is nice and very light they have the kidd trigger as an option - money well spent. Some of the top shooters are using this rifle. Probably not much more expensive than trying to build a 10 22

 

Have you tried using Hornady One Shot dry lube? Rimfire cartridges can be filthy and blowback operation makes it worse, wet lube holds the crud that spews out allowing it to build up. Dry lube doesn't have the problem. Yeah, it's not inexpensive, but it might be worth a try rather than building a new gun.

To answer your question, when I was using wet lube I cleaned my Ruger Charger SBR after every 6+ matches + practice, that was a shooting season for me. It didn't need cleaning it just made sense to clean it after the season. Now it looks like I'll be cleaning it with compressed air and just spraying with fresh One Shot. But this is my trial period with One Shot so nothing is chiseled in stone.

If you try it please let us know if it works for you.

 

MarkS... I shoot a 9" CMMG upper on an SBR... it uses a dedicated barrel and stainless CMMG bolt group... I have a "worn" 5.56 chamber brush on a T handle that I use to clean the chamber before each match or practice.... I run a dry bronze brush thru the barrel, and toothbrush the bolt face and where the conversion shoulders the chamber area... I lube it wet with Mercury Outboard Quicksilver 2 cycle racing oil that dissipates carbon... firing pin, extractor, rails... Bore Buddy firing pin and wire EDM extractor, Black Dog stainless feed lip sonic welded magazines... the gun is extremely reliable with CCI SV, and Blazer

 

My problem is a carbon ring in the barrel. It will stop it from completely going in to battery. see below. It is just a tight chamber. This is why it is so accurate, but I can't trust it in a match. It runs lubed ammo like SK better than wax ammo like CCI SV. I guess I will have to clean before match.
I am using Otis dry lube, works great.

Problem with Kidd Supergrade

I have had a Kidd Supergrade for 6 or 7 years. It is super accurate, but It has had a problem of not going completely into battery when slightly dirty. Kidd said "just run a bore snake thru it" A heavy cleaning does help, with heavy cleaning for the carbon ring, but comes back in less than 200...

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