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Shooting 22 shorts in non shorts stamped rifles?

818 views 19 replies 15 participants last post by  A square 10  
#1 ·
I know you can shoot cb,caps,shorts,longs,in most 22s if you single shot them by loading the rounds by hand but I recently seen a video where they were loading shorts in the rugerish looking magazine of a semi auto 22 and I was thinking that would be seriously problematic🤔
I have my dad's old marlin 81dl that's clearly stamped for shorts, longs,an long rifle ammunition but in the same video they clearly showed a savage mark11 magazine loaded with shorts and I was thinking (dangerous I know) that as long as the rounds fed from the magazine an seated squarely in face of the bolt wouldn't it be technically possible (?) to maybe shoot shorts or even caps from the box type magazines like the Savage, Remington, and Marlin and the other makes of bolt action rifles? I could see possibly a box or rotary magazine fed semi auto might be able to do it if the bolt doesn't partially cycle and is fully cycled by hand essentially becoming a straight pull bolt action of sorts? Am I being a delusional buffoon?👉🤪👈😆
I haven't tried it because I don't believe everything I see an only half of what I hear and take that with a huge grain of salt...I learned that in the 1980s the hard way...I digress.
 
#4 ·
The main reason that 22 shorts should NOT be used (especially in Long Guns, rifles) is that the bullet "may" not exit the barrel when fired (and you are not going to know that fact unless you have a target, etc. on which you can confirm that the bullet actually existed the barrel or confirm that the bullet exited the barrel by checking the bore) and then when you shoot subsequently rounds thru the gun (be they shorts or otherwise) you are going to wind up as a minimum with a barrel which has bulges in it or worst a ruptured barrel or perhaps even blow back into your face, etc.

I recently worked on an older rifle which had (count them, 4 bulges in its barrel) and what a real shame because it was a otherwise a really old collectors item which was ruined by some dummy.

Of course, this same thing could happen with any gun if you got hold of some bad ammo, but why chance it happening just to be able to say that you shot some cheap 22 short ammo !!!
 
#7 ·
The main reason that 22 shorts should NOT be used (especially in Long Guns, rifles) is that the bullet "may" not exit the barrel when fired (and you are not going to know that fact unless you have a target, etc. on which you can confirm that the bullet actually existed the barrel or confirm that the bullet exited the barrel by checking the bore) and then when you shoot subsequently rounds thru the gun (be they shorts or otherwise) you are going to wind up as a minimum with a barrel which has bulges in it or worst a ruptured barrel or perhaps even blow back into your face, etc.

I recently worked on an older rifle which had (count them, 4 bulges in its barrel) and what a real shame because it was a otherwise a really old collectors item which was ruined by some dummy.

Of course, this same thing could happen with any gun if you got hold of some bad ammo, but why chance it happening just to be able to say that you shot some cheap 22 short ammo !!!
Shooting shorts in a long barreld gun is safe as long as the ammo is high speed ammo and gun and ammo are in good condition. Many untold thousands of shorts have been fired through guns that were/are chambered short, long, and long rifle with no issues in exiting the barrel. The velocity of short ammo typically is in excess of 1000 fps. When I was younger, many of the guys would buy the shorts (cheaper) to shoot in their long barreled .22 rifles. Never heard of one sticking in the barrel. My brother used a Winchester 61 for many years for squirrel hunting with his dogs...his preferred ammo - .22 short.

Where one can get into trouble is in firing low powered rounds like colibri, CB, or other low velocity/underpowered rounds through a long barrel. Same with poor quality ammo. I have had bullets stick in barrels from ammo like Remington Thunderbolts due to inconsistent velocity upon being fired. But you can tell by the sound when fired if it is an underpowered round. I am also a little leery of firing the something like the CCI Quiets through guns with extra long barrels. Not much margin of error there.
 
#5 ·
Just as an experiment, I loaded shorts in a Savage Mark II magazine. They fed and fired just fine. As I said, just an experiment (prompted by a different "shorts" thread).

On the other hand, I tried different ammo in my newly acquired Remington 582 (many years ago). I even tried some CCI short HP's in it. To my surprise, they grouped better than any other ammo I tried. On top of that they were quiet in the 582, were perfect for the kind of squirrel hunting that I did, and the tube magazine held 22 rounds, perfect. Your mileage may vary, but worth a try.

I still occasionally shoot them in revolvers.
 
#10 ·
Lots of interesting information, I've got a fifty cal ammo can almost full of shorts and a brick of cci subsonic ammo and a 100 or so rounds of caps they're all from that estate sale and I didn't know if it would be a good idea to try the shorts in anything but the old marlin bolt action. the caps are going to be a revolver only thing.
I'm going to try them in my markII and 👀 if they work better in the factory mag or the Cspec mag I got recently.
 
#14 · (Edited)
I have been shooting CCI and Federal back when they made them. CB shorts or longs for many decades,
My experience has been they won't cycle well or at all in a LR-only magazine or tube-fed gun but have always exited the bore,
Auguila Super Colibre will not exit the barrel of my CZ 452 American and had to be driven out with a dowel.
YMMV
 
#17 · (Edited)
I am not aware of concerns of supposedly underpowered 22 short in long barreled 22. My Remington 550 -1 is 24” barrel rifle that is designed to cycle any 22 round you put in it. Not sure I would torture the old rifle with HV rounds in 22lr. I had not read about explicit restrictions of underpowered 22 short. So I shot the wimpiest shorts available 760 f/s. Alternating them in the same load with SV 22lr. No issues in cycling or leaving the barrel.
Hear the different sound
 
#18 ·
Some of the CB shorts "might" possibly pose problems in some barrels but will usually exit them just fine. The problem is when a bad round is encountered that doesn't leave the barrel and that can happen with any ammunition. It's much easier to tell when you're shooting more powerful ammo because the sound is so very different.

Shorts won't work in my bolt action Kimber magazine fed, they flew straight up out of the action when I tried it. Single loaded only.