If it has a scope mounted it's most likeley not correct and the asking price is to high. like myself most collectors and buyers of model 531-s want nothing to do with ones that have extra holes. i've never seen one with a grooved receiver... not saying there may be a few out there.

 

Is it a 1" tube weaver or perhaps a 3/4" tube 330 in Stith mounts? If it is the 330, and the rifle is in as nice condition as you describe, I'd take it in a heartbeat.

Here's my 513S w/Stith mounts--that's a Kollmorgen scope and not a Weaver 330 however.

 

If it is a Stith mount . . .

The front of a Stith mount would slide into what would normally be the rear sporting-sight dovetail
and hold the front of the scope in a tube-like sleeve about 2-to-3 inches long.

I'll try and add a pic for you later if I get a chance.

Don

 

Thanks guys. I'm familiar with Stith mounts, having had one on an old Savage Model 99. This scope is a more modern scope (yet still vintage) which I think required the rifle to be drilled & tapped. Because of this if there is no interest to collectors/buyers I won't be making the effort to post photos or anything, but as before, I do appreciate your advice and info.

Thanks,
Cliff

 

Hi again Cliff, The Model 513SA (open sight version) and 513SP (peep sight version) were introduced in 1940 and 1941 respectively. They were Remington's best quality .22 bolt action sporter until the custom shop 40X and the excellent 541-S came along. There were only about 14,000 made until they were discontinued in about 1954 ( a few were sold after that, although not listed in the catalog). It's very doubtful that any were ever offered with grooved receivers, although it appears that Remington probably did drill and tap some for scope mounting. I have one with a period Echo side mount that I'm fairly certain was factory installed (although I can't prove this).
Personally, even if non factory (at long at it's professionally done), I don't have much problem with the drilling and tapping, since it allows me the option of having a high quality scope mounted, and I don't buy rifles just to look at or show off.
At any rate, it was an excellent rifle, made to compete with the equally excellent Winchester M75 Sporter. Unlike the 75 Sporter, it has a fairly long and relatively heavy contour 27 inch barrel, so the weight is about 7 pounds, as compared to the 75's 5 1/2 pounds. Both rifles are generally very accurate, although the 75's trigger tends to be a little better.
Based on your description, the $700 price is fairly reasonable, maybe just a bit on the high side. If everything functions fine, and it has an excellent bore, you might offer a little less, or at least ask for the $700 to be the OTD price.

 

Are you sure about the grooved receivers? I have a very late 513s with a grooved receiver and there are a couple of others on this forum who have them as well. They seem to be very scarce and mines the only one that I have seen in person. One on a auction site a few years back brought close or over $2000.

 

Also, the scope can add fairly significant value (or not) depending on what it is.

 

As described, might be worth it . . .

I agree with WalnutBill!

I think that if an otherwise 'truly amazing condition' 513 Sporter is D&T'd reasonably cleanly, it is
still worth $ 700 as a nice-to-have / representative shooter.

I doubt that in today's market that kind of money is going to get you a
'truly amazing condition' (collector) Win 75 . . .

Don

 

Well John, if you have one, then no I'm not sure. I used the word "doubtful" because I wasn't sure. Based on the time frame of its discontinuance, very few factories were providing dovetailed receivers, but again, there are few things as indefinite as the firearms world.

 

Sorry to get you rattled but "very doubtful" tells me you didn't think they ever grooved the 513's. I figure since the Winchester model 75 sporter started grooving their actions in the same time period that Remington decided to start grooving some of the 513s sporters as well to compete with them even though the 513 was about to be discontinued and the 75 followed suit a couple of years later.

 

Not rattled at all. I'm always open to constructive comments and more than willing to learn. The more I learn, the more I realize I have much more to learn. Thanks for setting me straight. It certainly sounds like there were very, very few 513 Sporters made with grooved receivers. According to John and Roy's excellent book, there were only 412 sold in 1955, 322 in 1956 and 7 in 1957. Since it wasn't even in the catalog after 1953, I was guessing the later rifles were assembled from parts on hand, but as you say, the 513 T was offered all the way until 1968. So, it would appear that the same grooved receiver was used for both after about 1955.
As you also say, the oil finished stocks and higher grade wood are pretty rare as well. What is your opinion on factory drilling and tapping for scope bases?

 

Not rattled at all. I'm always open to constructive comments and more than willing to learn. The more I learn, the more I realize I have much more to learn. Thanks for setting me straight. It certainly sounds like there were very, very few 513 Sporters made with grooved receivers. According to John and Roy's excellent book, there were only 412 sold in 1955, 322 in 1956 and 7 in 1957. Since it wasn't even in the catalog after 1953, I was guessing the later rifles were assembled from parts on hand, but as you say, the 513 T was offered all the way until 1968.

Just FWIW, the 513S is shown in the 1954 catalog but not in the 1955 catalog when they started advertising the grooved receivers.

 

Hello again,

I just wanted to thank you guys again and tell you that I really enjoy just sitting on the sidelines and keeping my mouth shut so I can learn. And I am learning a lot. I also wanted to tell you that I stopped by that shop again to take a couple of photos of the rifle so you can see it (I also have some friends from another area that are interested). I think I'm probably going to pass on it as I already spent some money on my 521-T two weeks ago. The owner is firm on the price. Sorry about the quality of the photos. All I had with me was my phone camera.

Thanks,
Cliff

 

I think I'm probably going to pass on it as I already spent some money on my 521-T two weeks ago.

Boy, that better be one nice 521-T . . .

Bet the 513 S would re-sell faster than the 521 T . . . if it came to that. Not that it would. Probably.

They'd make quite the pair, though.

Heavy, slow sigh . . .

 

Wow Cliff, After looking at the pictures, I would have to say you have more willpower than I do. That wood is gorgeous, much better than average. The rear sight is a replacement, and I would definitely change the scope and mounts for something a lot lower, more compact, and more period correct. Otherwise, that's a very nice rifle and a very fair price in my humble opinion.

 

That's what I guess I was getting at in my original post when I said it was in "truly amazing" condition. The original steel butt plate looks like it's never been rested on anything hard. The owner thinks the rifle spent a lot of years in a safe. It really is a gorgeous rifle. Yes, I am weakening.....

Cliff

 

Yeppers... If I had the spare dollars laying around, I would snag that in a heart beat.

 

Better just go get it, and find some other thing(s) around the house that you're not too attached to and sell off, to offset the cost....lol

Peer pressure.

 

513-s

yeah i will throw my two cents in too! I have a grooved receiver 513-S barrel is going to patina but otherwise everything else is alright and have another non-grooved.

 

You did GREAT - these are fantastic rifles (save the triggers - I have had no luck getting consistent trigger pull with this (510 mechanism))....BUT it shoots with pretty much ANY rifle I have (including Anschutz, Cooper, Mausers, etc....). Mine is also a later grooved receiver:bthumb:

PennDog

 

Do you have a picture of the swivel studs ??

 

That is one of the nicer sporter models i've ever seen, if it had not been drilled and tapped it looks to be collector quality and would probably bring more then 700.00 on auction. i spent 3 yrs finding this one and have around 800.00 after shipping ffl and tax. like the remington model 37 any thing not correct really hurts the value.

 

randymac, nice gun and nice shootin! May I ask the distance you were shooting when you shot that group? (still tweeking my 513s)

 

Great shooting !! Looks mighty cold in your neck of the woods.

 

randymac, Your 513S pictured would have to rate near the top of the nicest example with out being in a museum and then maybe the museum piece may not be better.

 

Thank you guy's for the nice comments. i started collecting remington rimfires about 9yrs ago. at first i was buying like crazy, all nice rifles. but about 3yrs ago i decided my collection would have the best of the best out there. so i've been up grading since then. it's a slow process when you looking for the best there is in a model.

 

Hello,

I am resurrecting this old thread for an update. As some of you might recall I found this nice 513-S is a LGS in February, but I decided to pass on it. I recently visited the shop and found that he still had the 513-S and he lowered the price. I went ahead and picked it up last Friday. I thought I'd post photos on the rifle and ask a couple of questions. First, I took it along with me turkey hunting last weekend and had a few minutes to plink. Nothing even approaching formal target shooting, and I didn't have time to try and dial in the scope, but it was hitting various tin cans with ease.

My questions:

1) The serial number is 110970. Can anyone tell me when it was made?
A quick google search didn't turn up much.

2) I believe the rear sight is not original - how about the front sight?

3) The stampings on the left side of the barrel contain a "C" and some other numbers or symbols. Does anyone know what the significance of these are?

4) Likewise, the stamps on the right side of the barrel near the forward scope mount appears to be a number 27 (stamped upside down) followed by a "T" or "P"
and ends with what looks kind of like a clover leaf. Strange. Any ideas?

5) The scope. This is an older Weaver 3x9. I don't know anything about scopes so I don't know the vintage of this model or the quality. There is some lettering on the underside of the scope just behind the bolt, but I can't see it well enough to read it. A buddy tells me it's an El Paso weaver. I have an El Paso Weaver 4x on an old Savage Model 99 and it's not glossy like this one. Also, I don't know what kind of mounts these are. This scope seems like overkill on this rifle and I may elect to purchase a smaller, more vintage looking scope.

6) Lastly, can anyone tell me what the function is of the bar attached at the back end on the left side of the receiver?

Thank you,
Cliff

 

2.......... Original front, but replacement rear
3.......... The letters are the date code The C is for April, and the YY(?) would be 1952
6....... That is the factory mount for a Redfield 75 series micrometer sight

That rifle will shoot as well as any scope you use!

 

Very nice rifle. Tomon is quite right about the date - 1952, also the rear sight - most came with a Marbles adjustable (elevation) rear leaf, although I have seen some with Remington rear sights. Yours has the higher grade wood with what appears to be an oil finish, and these are worth more. It obviously has been drilled and tapped for Weaver style bases (although yours does not appear to have Weaver brand), and this may or may not have been done at the factory.
The scope is a Japanese made Weaver of excellent quality. I'm guessing it was made in the late 80's or early 90's. A Leupold or current Weaver rimfire (4X or 2 1/2-7X) might look more at home on it. These are parallax corrected for 50-75 yards, if I remember correctly.
I have a 1948 model with plain wood and nowhere near as nice as yours, but it is very accurate, as I'm sure yours will be also.
Good luck with it.
WB

 

Thanks for bringing back this thread. Missed it the first time. Glad the rifle was kind enough to wait for you. Congrats on a beautiful new addition.

 

That is a nice 513-S.

I have a 513-SA that I bought at a gun show for $125 in about 1996 or so. It was drilled and tapped but done poorly so I had a gunsmith groove it for me. It is a great shooter. It is really boring to shoot it because it shoots so well all the time with a lot of different ammo.

I had a factory grooved 513-T that was a terrible shooter so I sold it. I still have a factory grooved 521-T and 512. They both are in excellent condition and shoot very well.

You got a real nice rimfire there.
John