I've never done that in my life. Did S&W tell you to do that? Is it still jamming on you?

 

Not all that bad, but I have not got the slide spring yet. A couple of members here mentioned putting the oil on the first round and it made their gun run smoother? It was not S & W

 

Others may disagree but I try to keep lubes to a minimum. In the weather were having I think if anything it would cause problems. Saw another post on subsonic ammo. Didn't know if you knew but Sportsman's Den has CCI subsonic HP for 7.99 a hundred limit two a day and they have RWS subsonic HP in bricks. I've shot a lot thru mine (RWS) and they are very accurate.

 

I was just down there Wed. and I got CCI sv. they had RWS bricks but they where like $90 a brick. To much for my budget. I got to many other guns that shoot about anything and shoot as good as the model 41 to justify that.

 

I used to read about this in the old days but my guns have never needed it. I now have a SIG P220 Match with a 22lr top end that is cranky if I load 10 rather than 8.

May have to try it again.:bthumb:

 

Check out Clark Custom under FAQ troubleshooting.

 

Hate to say this, but I've got a Clark Custom Model 41, I did put a drop of oil on the top round of every mag of CCI Standard Velocity, and it still won't shoot a full string without catching a piece of brass.

 

"Oiling" a .22 rimfire bullet

I have never done that nor does anybody I know. Don't know what the "old days" definition is but I have been competing in a variety of disciplines since 1967. I prefer to think of myself as "well seasoned"

The lube on the factory stuff has always been plenty good enough IME.

On some really old ammo, that I forgot was in the shed, the lube dried out. I simply used em to plink them in either a revolver or a bolt action rifle and never had a problem. Did have some chambering issues on semi automagical weapons but I blamed that on me cause I left the stuff lying around for 20 years.

Dedicated bench rest guys and gals are weird folks though. I have seen some lube the tips using a stamp pad and a variety of stuff running from Hoppes #9 to some secret formula. Some even rub a wet fingertip over the top claiming that the saliva adds to the lubrication.

Lubing magazines is a common practice though after you clean them well and even that is only with a very thin coat.

noremf(George)

 

Jim Clark Sr was the first civilian to win Camp Perry. He & his son told me that as far back as in the 1950's all of the top shooters would put a drop of oil on the top bullet in a magazine. They swear by this method. My boys & I have three 41's but we do not shoot competition, we just love shooting these fine pistols. We have never put any oil on our bullets in our mags. Not one of our pistols has ever jammed. All of the Clarks are world champion shooters, including his granddaughter & son in law, Jerry Miculek. This family shot with the best shooters in the business & in the world not just local matches.
Monroe

 

I guess I'm the lone discenter. I do this as it does make a big difference in reliability. If I forget, I notice it right away. If you can get by without it, great. It definitely results in excess lube and the attendent fouling and dirt throughout the gun. Yes, this is after all the mag, spring, etc, etc fixes and with every SV ammo known to man. It will run fine with HV, but I won't shoot that through any of my target pistols for a variety of reasons.

 

I do it too because Clark's recommended it when I was getting empty casings trapped under the barrel extension. I put a drop on and shake off the excess. Works like a charm. Perhaps some chambers are a bit tighter and run better with occasional oil...

 

Never put any oil on my ammo! If it needs it, there is a problem to be fixed.

 

+1!

Now Lubed Trojans over rifle barrels in wading through
'wet clime' was another story.

 

I am with the majorly of people that have said Not to put lube on the first round. You are just inviting problems by doing something like that, oil would hold burnt power and turn into mud making the gun jam even more. Scott

 

My #2 Son is a Sergeant for a large, state police organization in California and believe it or not they are asked to place 1 drop of a lube on the top round of each magazine. I don't do it or would I ever suggest it but that organization does it on recommendation of S&W armorers that service their 4006 pistols every 90 days. They empty each magazine, replace with new rounds before each shift and put that drop of oil on the top round. (.40 S&W). Old rounds are saved for range use. He routinely shoots 3K rounds monthly with his pistol. More, with their ARs.

 

Never done it, no need to with Smith 41's, High Standards and Benelli MP 90.

I either leave my mags dry too or use Rem. Dri-Lube on them (if you have feed issues)

Last year or so I'm leaning more and more to using minimal amounts of oil on most all my pistols, anywhere (I used to run them pretty wet) after about 45 years of shooting.

 

It was suggested to me by the bullseye shooter that I purchased my first Model 41 from to help improve reliability. Apparently this has been practiced by some bullseye shooters for a long time. The drop of oil is placed on the middle of the cartridge case, not to the bullet itself, and is not intended to lubricate the bullet but the chamber. And yes it does help build up residue faster in the chamber area and breech face than if not used. It did help on my 41 but after I changed barrels the reliability improved so I stopped. It doesn't damage the pistol. If you have a pistol that occasionally stovepipes and causes alibis and this stops that then great. If the gun works fine all the time without it then why would anyone bother?

Couple of links from other places: http://smith-wessonforum.com/smith-wesson-semi-auto-pistols/138390-model-41-not-feeding-second-round-magazine.html and https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/bullseye-l-list/zImvb5KbDYQ

 

Well put as always Deacon. I don't think anyone necessarily wants to do it, but it does make a difference in some instances. My 41 is the only one for which I do this though and I field strip it every 150 rds or so. I don't want to start another debate on 41 jamming but I just can't help but wonder though; when people say their 41 NEVER jams----is that correct and if so, are they using STANDARD velocity ammo? Very big difference.

 

Never is never true!! However, I have only had ONE fault with my Mod 41 in two years and I shoot NOTHING but CCI SV.

 

one jam in two years - that is absolutely spectacular mountain man.

 

I have seen it done a lot!

I shoot a lot of Bullseye Pistol Competitions and call a lot of matches. As a range officer, I monitor what the shooters are doing between targets, making sure that the line is safe before allowing a target change.

There are quite a few competitors that do put a drop of oil on the top round of the magazine, want to say it is mostly S&W and High Standard shooters in the 22 lr portion of the match. For what it is worth, I cannot say I have ever seen a pardini shooter or a fwb shooter use the drop of oil. I do not think the hammerli or the walther shooters do it either but cannot say for sure. I think I have seen a couple of marvel conversion shooters do it.

Regards,
Cranky

 

At the local indoor range where I shoot , I have seen the drop of oil trick performed . I have also seen cartridges rolled in a lightly oiled cleaning patch . The performers of these tricks had confidence in them . I don't know myself , never needed to try .

 

It is done at our Bullseye league but only if you are having FTE issues. I think of it as a temporary crutch more than long term solution.

It does gunk up your gun pretty quickly.... The dang thing probably just needed a good cleaning in the first place..

 

I too have seen my share of shooters using the drop of oil trick. They all swear by it. I tried it but didnt notice it helping or hurting. If using it makes you feel better than do it. One less thing on your mind is not a bad thing.

 

Back in 1998, Clark Custom Guns modified my Model 41. Had one of their match grade barrels installed on it. Was advised by them to do the "oil trick". Their

barrels have chambers made to somewhat smaller dimensions compared to what is found on the factory produced pistols. As a result, the use of the oil helps in cartridge

feeding. Ever buy some foreign-made, match ammo? Dump a 50 round box of it into your hand and then load up a bunch of magazines. Did this once with Wolf Match Extra.

Had to wipe my hand with a dry towel before picking up my pistol. It was just too oily to shoot with "as-is". Why do you suppose those rounds were lightly oiled? Still can

recall an article in either a "Guns" or "American Handgunner" magazine. Gunwriter Massad Ayoob was at Camp Perry. A shooter was using a Ruger that had a custom barrel.

He was having feeding issues. Another competitor suggested the "oil trick". It ran perfectly afterwards! Massad even commented that he had never heard of people doing this.

But, he became a believer after witnessing this himself. Deaconblue is right; if you want to try this, put the oil on the case itself and not on the bullet. Do not flood the round.

I use the smallest drop of oil possible on every magazine I load. It enhances function in all of my .22 pistols. When done shooting, there will be a coat of oil on the

breechface of both the slide and barrel. A quick swipe with a "Q Tip" and all of the oil and the now very much softened shooting residue will easily come off!

 

Shot mine this week. Using CCI st vel. Had one fail to extract and got caught between barrel and slide. Ben a long time since it failed except using Wolf MT. Think it was the lub on the bullets. Never put any oil on the cases.

 

I tried the drop of oil concept and it didn't make any difference at the time for my new M41 (that's not to suggest that I don't believe it works for others - just not for me and mine). After about 200 rounds in one days shooting it seemed to be the build up of wax and crud from the CCI SV's that caused the ejection failures.

I've since taken to cleaning about 200 rounds with WD40 prior to a shoot. Not soaking them in it, but giving them a quick spray and wiping them down to remove the wax and leave a very slight WD40 lube on them - i.e. not enough that it'd penetrate the round. The difference in build up of wax/crud after a days shoot when I strip the pistol down for cleaning is quite remarkable

Regardless of that though, I clean my M41 after every days shoot and although I do have a set of Wolff springs on order, I've not had an ejection failure since starting this practice of cleaning rounds and cleaning the M41 after each days shoot so I'll be sticking with it.

I've put maybe 1500 rounds through it since new in a couple of months and I have no doubt that shooting it in has made quite a difference as well but I believe that the wax build up is the biggest cause for the CCI SV's failing to eject on my M41.

As a point of interest: I've also tried a hundred of the SK Standard Plus rounds that I use through my Anschutz 1712 and had no ejection fails with them. The SK SP's are the most accurate round that I've found for my particular Anschutz for competition and although I've got an abundance of CCI SV's for the M41, sometime over the next few weeks I plan to set up an accuracy test with the two different rounds through the M41. The SK's are more expensive than the CCI's, but for a medal match I'd like the advantage of a more accurate round if either shows much difference.

Just for comparison, through my Anschutz at 50 yards the SK SP's will give me a 5 round clover leaf group - i.e. all within touch of each other. The CCI SV's through the Anschutz (when they feed - the head spacings are quite erratic on the CCI's and some - maybe 1 in 50 - are too fat to close the bolt) will spread out over the size of a match box.

 

Just a thought why not try a little powdered graphite, it's dirty in that it can get on your hands and clothes but it isn't going to attract dust and grime.
I've personally never put oil on any ammo I planned to shoot, no need too. You can submerge old ammo in penetrating oil to make them inert if you need to.
Gabby

 

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Alexander is dead on ... you need extractor tuning or a new extractor.