Eley is Eley..

The extra you pay is for the Remington name that Remington pays Eley to have Remington on the box. Hence the $2 mark up.


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It has been around for at least 8 years or more. Essentially Remington is admitting that they really can't make high quality target ammo, and are just buying it from Eley, and putting their name on the box.

RWS is doing the same with Norma and the Federal Ultra ammo. In that case they try and disguise it a bit more, and while it says Made in Germany, it does not say RWS is making it. At least Remington is being up front about it being Eley ammo. I have no knowledge of any Remington ownership of Eley. Just a business relationship.

For what it is worth, I have found Remington Sub Sonic ammo to be reasonably accurate - under 1 MOA. It is up there with the lower quality Eley and Lapua stuff. Remington Cyclones are among the most accurate HV stuff made on this side of the Atlantic. But, Remington also holds down the record for the most inaccurate ammo I have ever tested - Golden Bullets - Over 3 MOA. Just awful!

It kind of makes you wonder what goes on in the Remington factory...

 

It has been around for at least 8 years or more. Essentially Remington is admitting that they really can't make high quality target ammo, and are just buying it from Eley, and putting their name on the box.

RWS is doing the same with Norma and the Federal Ultra ammo. In that case they try and disguise it a bit more, and while it says Made in Germany, it does not say RWS is making it.

Years back Rem. did produce good quality Palma Match target ammo. I would say Rem. and other U.S. Mfg's. are not "willing" to make high quality target ammo today.

Norma never, "ever" made their own 22 rimfire ammunition.

Today's Eley is connected to (LDC) Lloyds Development Capital part of Lloyds Banking Group.

Remington Outdoor Company is connected to Cerberus Capital Management.

Cerberus and Lloyds have each crossed paths monetarily although I'm uncertain of any family relationship between their two ammo plants at this time.

Years back, the owners...two chemical giants ICI/Eley and Dupont/Rem. did have close business dealings with one another. This does not prove Eley-Rem. ties. Although it cannot be denied. The two chemical firms did have a strong relationship.

 

Well, I'm glad I bought the "cheap" stuff. I saved two bucks a box and didn't pay for the Remington name. I truly was confused since both boxes said made in England on the bottom. If they only had the Remington-Eley stuff on the shelf I wouldn't have bought any of it by assuming it was typical Remington junk ammo. I don't think either Cabela's or Eley are benefitting by using Remington's name on the box. It's degrading to their good name. It ought to be two bucks a box LESS in price with Remington printed on it. No way is it worth a penny more. Based on their stellar reputation for quality ammo? Ha

Thanks for the replies everyone. Never too old to learn (and I'm getting old).

 

Never too old to learn (and I'm getting old).

Good, nay, great answer. :thumb:

 

So are Norma and Federal Ultra made by RWS?

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So are Norma and Federal Ultra made by RWS?

Yes, and Geco.

 

Eley's 1962 box's show a change to IMI, Imperial Metal Industries which remained a subsidiary of ICI Imperial Chemical Industries for a period of 15 years.

Your 1960's experience was most likely at Eley. :bthumb:

 

Perhaps not at Eley plant since we never lived in Birmingham but at a sister company who (perhaps) got employee discounted rounds. Sadly my dad left us a year ago, so there is no way to dig into the details with him. But I do own the .22 he was shooting at that range.

So I resorted to Google and found the plant was the Billingham Plant which had a sport and leisure center. The only mention of a shooting facility there seemed to be this obit for Fred Clark - which confirms my 6 year old's memory was not imagined. (Billingham is in the Teeside area).
"He subsequently moved to Teesside where, after a short stint with the MTASSA club, he joined the ICI club, Billingham Synthonia, and continued to shoot there until the company sold off the sports facilities and the club was disbanded in 1994".

 

So I resorted to Google and found the plant was the Billingham Plant which had a sport and leisure center. The only mention of a shooting facility there seemed to be this obit for Fred Clark - which confirms my 6 year old's memory was not imagined.

I actually spent a good deal of time looking up reference to Billingham, ICI and the Sport and Leisure center. I was unable to find the mention of a shooting facility as you had? Not saying it didn't exist just that several articles regarding the center failed to bring up any shooting facility? Do you have a link for the Fred Clark connection?

 

Ron AKA, were those groups you listed in your chart all 5-shot groups shot at 50 yards?

 

No. The 5 shot group sizes are estimates based on actual groups of 5 shots for the ammo types highlighted in the orange colour. My method is to shoot 24 two shot groups at 40 yards indoors to eliminate the wind effect. I have a formula I use to estimate 5 shot groups size. I essentially use a box of 50 for the two shot testing, so I only shoot 5 shot groups with the ammo that I have bought more of. The Eley Tenex results are from only shooting 5 two shot groups and has to be viewed with some suspicion. That was all I had. I do have a box of Tenex waiting for my next range visit to do the full test on.

 

Yes, that was the name of all the teams from the town. Before WW1 Billingham was a sleepy little village. It grew to support the plant's constant expansion.