is the stamp on the side of the barrel just ahead of the receiver? If so it might be a date stamp, indicating it was made in 1962..

any chance of posting a photo or two?

 

how do I post a photo

 

I use www.photobucket.com You can go to their website, sign up for a free account. Then, you upload your pictures following their instructions to your "album". Once the picture is there, what I do is "cut and paste" the line that starts like "

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If you cut and paste that line without the quote marks, it should result in your pic being displayed within your post. At least it works for me..

 

well, sorry about that - I see all that did was put my pic in quote marks. Actually, it's drillingman's pic, he e-mailed it to me to show what his Anschutz 184 looked like in the stock we made a deal on

what I was trying to say, is there will be a line under your photo that starts with the letters IMG in brackets. Highlight that entire line, do a "control C" (hold down the control button and press C) to "copy" the test, then come back to your rimfire central window and do a "control V" (like above, only the V) to "paste" it into your post.

I suppose that was all clear as mud, right?

 

Does it have an odd extractor running under the bolt?
Take a look at:
http://rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=64200

I bought mine for about $50. Quite accurate, fun to shoot.
If this is the right gun, I've got some more info I can pass on.

 

Slash that sounds like it I did not see a photo on the post to make sure.

 

This is info I've found all over the net. Can't claim any of it as my own.

Anschutz 1360

Notes: This design was abandoned in the early 1980s. It is based on the primitive Flobert I action, and was regarded as the lowest-quality Anschutz rifle - which made it better than most equivalent rifles, but not up to normal Anschutz quality. The base Model 1360 rifle could fire virtually any sort of .22 rimfire ammunition, from the tiny BB Caps to .22 Long Rifle. The Model 1363 could fire only .22 Long Rifle, but had improved leaf rear sights, a rounded pistol grip, and an adjustable trigger. The Model 1365 is chambered for the odd 9mm Flobert shotshell ammunition.

Anschutz 1380

Notes: This is little more than an improved 1360, using the slightly-improved (but still primitive) Flobert II action. The basic 1380 could, as the 1360, fire anything from BB Caps to .22 Long Rifle rounds. The 1386 is similar, but came with a 4x15 telescopic sight as standard. The Model 1386 Z was a rather odd version; it was designed for firing indoors and at events such as carnivals and suchlike, and fired a very low-power cartridge known as the 4mm Ubungsmunition. The model 1388 was also similar to the 1380, but used a low Monte Carlo comb and a spring leaf rear sight, and had a shorter barrel.

This is 22Cal single shot rifle.
"JGA" in circle on receiver ring.
"Original-JGA-Karabiner"
Dealer wrote on invoice: JG Anschutz 22.
It's definitely not trainer.
Who knows:
1.Where rifle made?
2.When(approximately) rifle made?
3.Any additional info needed.
Rifle shoot good with Super Colibri ammo(can not shoot full power ammo in house).

Mauser22
Gunboards Premium Member
USA
94 Posts
Posted - 08/08/2004 : 07:19:34 AM
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These are made by Anschutz from about 1928 to 1942. I can see from the serial number that your gun is earlier than mine. Mine is 51xxx and has Nazi Eagle N proofs indicating made after March 1940. I can't make out the proofs in your pic but looks like your serial number is 4xxxx? Very few made during the war. Mine has plainer rear sight and beach stock. Yours appears to be walnut with tangent rear. Pressures of war. Can you put up better pis of firing proofs. We can narrow down when both made depending on proofs on yours.

These are referred to as "Boy's Rifles" have short LOP and are nicely made as were all of the old Anschutz stuff. Pretty much their bottom of the line on .22 rifles.

SN is: 433363.
Proofs are not Nazi.It's same on bolt, receiver and others.

Mauser22
USA
94 Posts
Posted - 08/08/2004 : 6:54:49 PM
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I have logged and studied German .22 serial numbers for years. Anschutz is a tough one as the same range was used for various models in some, but not all cases. As the guns are about 80,000 numbers apart, and no where near that many of this model were made it will be pure speculation. I know for sure mine was made after Mar 1940. Based on other models and known production years on some pieces, I would speculate that your rifle was made about 1931-1933.

Wish I could be of more help.

Beautiful little rifles. This same simple action design and variations of it were used by numerous European arms makers in the years between WWI and WWII.

Nice collectable little gun. What did you pay??

Here is answer from Anschutz:

Hello,

We received your e-mail of August 8, 2004. Unfortunately we cannot help you
here, as all documents don't exist anymore. They had been destroyed after
World War II. The ANSCHUTZ factory at that time was in East Germany, the
communists destroyed the factory completely. Right now there is not even a
stone left. The new ANSCHUTZ factory is located in Ulm now.

Sorry that I could not help you more.

Best regards,

Dieter Anschuetz
President
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J. G. ANSCHUETZ GmbH & Co. KG
Daimlerstrasse 12
89079 Ulm / Germany
Tel. +49 (0)731 4012-111
Fax +49 (0)731 4012-205
Mail anschuetz@anschuetz-sport.com

http://www.anschuetz-sport.com
http://www.anschutz-sporters.com
http://www.anschuetz-miroku.com

Mauser22
USA
94 Posts
Posted - 08/10/2004 : 05:38:10 AM
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I don't know a model number for these. In the 30's vintage GECO catalogs (Geco was large retailer of hunting supplies and firearms of various makes) they are simply refered to as "Boy's Rifle - single shot".

It sounds like you are very happy with your rifle!

Good Collecting!!!

TFoley
727 Posts
Posted - 09/10/2004 : 03:23:46 AM
Where these weapons were made they are called Knabenbuchse - 'youth's' or 'boy's' rifles because they were made for youths or boys to teach them about shooting. LOP is short for Length of Pull- the distance between the trigger and the buttplate. This will be demonstrably shorter than for an adult, due to the length of a young boy's arms relative to an adult's.
BTW - Nearly all training rifles of the DSM-typ, whoever made tham, had a shorter LOP than the full-size version they otherwise replicated - the Hitler Youth WAS made up of kids from the age of 12 or so, and some of them looke pretty weedy in the photos of the day.

tac

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My brother and I have recently decided that we should get ourselves hunting/firearm licenses instead of just talking about how much fun they might be. Our initial enthusiasm prompted an examination of the two-gun family arsenal, revealing a broken shotgun and a family relic: grandpa's .22.

Having something of a historical bent, and recognizing the company name from my counterstrike-playing days, I have been attempting to figure out when FN Herstal was in the rabbit shooting business. No luck yet.

The gun is a bolt-action single-shot .22 calibre rimfire. The top of the barrel bears the inscription " FABRIQUE NATIONALLE d'ARMES DE GUERRE S.A. HERSTAL-BELGIQUE" above the end of the stock. Foreward of the chamber on the left side of the barrel is stamped "R (star) C (arrow towards chamber) .22 L," followed by a small oval insignia topped with a crown and containing the letter 'E' above the letters 'LG'. Directly above the firing chamber is the FN logo.

I can take some pics, but don't have anywhere to host them. Any clues you guys have would be excellent!

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A little info here:
http://www.fn-collectors.net/module...net/modules.php?op=modload&name=phpBB_14&file=index&action=viewtopic&topic=28&1

and

http://www.fn-collectors.net/module...et/modules.php?op=modload&name=phpBB_14&file=index&action=viewtopic&topic=109&2

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Looks a lot like an Anschutz I recently bought that I'm trying to get info on. Looks like the same extractor - runs in a groove below the bolt, splits the barrel face in two, travels back with the bolt and extracts the shell.
Doesn't have the vertical bolt though.

It came with a Weaver side mount and a really cloudy 4X, 3/4 inch, steel tube scope.
Shot pretty good, was able to shoot marshmallows at 50 yards. Needed a better scope.
Picked up a good clear 6X Weaver steel tube scope at a gun show. Nice older scope, matched the gun nicely (but paid almost as much as I paid for the gun).

Boy, what a shooter. Really likes cheap target ammo - Lapua and Eley club both shot well with Eley the best.
Had a ball with it. A little windy but still had a one hole (ragged) 25 yard group about .25, and less than 3/4" at 50 yards (one was .53, one was .30 until a flyer opened it up to an inch). With a more powerful scope I'm sure would shoot even better - right up with my most accurate guns. Dynapoints were not bad at .96 at 50 yards.

The ejector is a pain - you have to slide it forward with a finger every shot before you put the cartridge in. It does eject - barely - if you work the bolt briskly.

diopter

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Seems to have been loosely based on the Gew88 design.

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The "R and Star" denotes return to F/N- likely for rechambering to .22 extra long r.f., or .22 long rifle, depending on what year it returned. From what I've read, the year 1912 was the start of long rifle re-chambering.

The design dates to 1893 and is purely an F/N design ( as far as that is possible )

If you plan on shooting this little rifle, stick to target or standard velocity ammo- the rifle came out long before the modern high velocity smokeless fodder came along. I have one of these little gems, and it is very accurate. The combination extractor/ejector system is pure genius- it is very reliable, and was likely cheaper than all get out to manufacture. Most of these rifles have fairly decent walnut under that slap on finish...

Regards,

Doc Sharptail

Cowboy

Posted: Thu Jul 08, 2004 4:25 pm Post subject: F N 22
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Made in Belgium at the turn of the century under a browning pat. I have one just like it and shot thousands of gophers when I was a kid. Cowboy
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Support the beef industry--run over a chicken !

 

Thanks

 

HELP I have an old Anschutz .22 rifle that looks like a youth gun.
J.G ANSCHUTZ G mb H. waffenfabrik.ulm/D. Germany(on top of barrel)
Cal. 22 long rifle rim- fire combination (on side of barrel)
It also has a stamp on the side of the barrel with the # 62 I do not know if this is a model # or not
I am trying to find out when it was made and how much it is worth.
Thanks

This is mine:http://www.gunboards.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=56739
Is your rifle the same?

 

Hi,

I found one of these today at a shop for $100.00. It has the Nazi Eagle over N proofs on the receiver,barrel and bolt. Has some wear and a tad of surface rust, but bore appears excellent. "Original JGA Karabiner" on the barrel.
This is the only post I found that talked about this rifle and the link to the Gunboards thread. Serial number is 4926XX.
Any new information out there? Thanks, Jim

 

Go for it!

I love mine!
Buy it.
Mine has 4 stars on stock(4 rabbits with Super Colibri ammo. They came on my backyard without invitation).

 

Hi Lavric,
Yours appears in better condition, based on the pictures. Also yours appears to have a longer barrel than the one I looked at. Whats the barrel length on yours?
Thanks, Jim

 

Hi Lavric,
Yours appears in better condition, based on the pictures. Also yours appears to have a longer barrel than the one I looked at. Whats the barrel length on yours?
Thanks, Jim

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Pic with dimensions here: http://www.gunboards.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=56739

and here: http://www.gunboards.com/forums/uploaded/lavric/2005211171532_P1010002.JPG

 

Thanks, I guess they are the same length.
Jim

 

I have one also, looks alot like Lavric's except for the sights and the inscription on the barrel.

I inherited the gun when I was very young and have been shooting it several times a year since I was 11(36 now), still shoots great. I'll post some pics when I get some

 

DefCon4,
Thanks for the reply. I would like to see some pictures.
What type of sights are on your rifle?
I was surprised at how nice the trigger was, smooth and light.
Jim

 

the sights on mine are "dovetailed" into the barrel, just a very basic notch type rear sight

 

Thanks, same sights on this one. Both front and rear sights are in white as opposed to blued.
Jim

 

the sights on mine are blued the same as the barrel

btw where is Canonsburg PA?

 

Canonsburg is in SW PA, Washington County. About 20 miles south of Pittsburgh.
Jim

 

ahh cool, I'm at the opposite end of the state

 

we had some decent weather lately so I snapped a few pics

yeah I know the bolt is dirty I was shooting it a few miutes before I took the pics

 

DefCon4,
Nice looking rifle. The stock on yours looks to be in nice shape also.
Thanks for the pictures, Jim

 

thanks for the kind words

the stock is actually pretty rough, the gun went through 3 or 4 other relatives before it got handed down to me and they were far from gentle with it. The blueinghas seen better days and there are alot of nicks and scratches and somebody even scratched their initials into the other side of the stock but the stock is still complete and intact and the gun still shoots great after all these years. I just do my best to keep it from getting any worse without resorting to any kind of restoration work

this is the 10 rnd. group I shot with it prior to taking the pics

 

at what distance? With open sights? Wish I could see well enough to shoot open sights like that.. Heck, I even put a 2x scope on my ruger mark II pistol!