Based on the specifications, it appears to be relabeled RWS 40 gr hp subsonic.
1033 fps for the RWS, 1017 fps for the Norma.
Not a big enough difference in rated mv to worry about.
MV average will vary batch to batch, so likely the same cartridges being sold under 2 labels.
CCI and Fiocchi USA do the same thing.


Reading the description of the Norma cartridge it states 1033 fps, for plinking and hunting.
It does appear it is the same cartridge as made by RWS.

 

Have you tested them before?

 

Norma subsonic

50 at 200

I think I've come up with a useful scenario...maybe. :rolleyes: 50 shots at 200 yards, rimfire, whatever setup makes you happy. 22lr, 17 hmr, 22wmr, 17hm2, 17wsm, all brands, all types. Full benchrest setup, bipod, bags, or one-piece test rest, it doesn't matter. Grab a chunk of cardboard...

www.rimfirecentral.com

RWS subsonic

50 at 200

I think I've come up with a useful scenario...maybe. :rolleyes: 50 shots at 200 yards, rimfire, whatever setup makes you happy. 22lr, 17 hmr, 22wmr, 17hm2, 17wsm, all brands, all types. Full benchrest setup, bipod, bags, or one-piece test rest, it doesn't matter. Grab a chunk of cardboard...

www.rimfirecentral.com

Give it a new label and see if it improves sales.
Marketing department is hard at work.

 

Thanks Jaia. I figured you had.

 

So this is not really a new product at all in spite of the way it's advertised...

 

If you are going subsonic why not go heavy to make up for the velocity loss. I like the idea of 45 grain subsonic. The 45 grain American Eagle has bee very reliable in semi autos. Winchester M22 not so much.

 

CCI Has one, but its not as accurate as the 40gr SV and the 40gr HP version of the SV

 

Norma 22LR Accuracy Old vs New What's The Difference: CZ 452 & Custom 10/22

Hopefully I will get out soon for some chronograph data gathering.

 

Hopefully I will get out soon for some chronograph data gathering.

Great reviews! Only thing to think about-change the order of ammunition shot.
Maybe if the white box was shot after one of the others it would do better?

I just bought 5 bricks of the new Tac22 so I like what I see on your video!!

Thanks
Ed

 

I am hoping the new Tac-22 sub sonic HP is as accurate as the old Eley sub sonic HP. The new Eley (stuff made in the Last 4 years) does not shoot out of any of my bolt actions. Quality SSHP have been hard to come by except CCI. Have 2 bricks of the new Tac-22 SSHP and 4 bricks of the new red box solids on order. Hope to try out this weekend.

 

$3.70 more for a little hole in the end of the projectile? lol

 

Lack of subsonic HP ammo is why I bought a Waltz die set. Now I can turn any LRN into HP...or EPS, but EPS doesn't feed well in some of my rifles, so it will stay in HP mode.

 

Yes, I got the same email. I've purchased from Norma Shooting before, TAC 22 also, but the HV variety, 9mm, 38spl. I've been on their notify list for 357mag for a while now but haven't been notified that it's in yet. I like their ammo. It's consistent, reasonably priced and their shipping speed is also reasonably fast. It used to be if you purchased $49 or more, shipping was free. Now it's $149 and above it's free. I guess a lot of people bought just $49 to get the free shipping.

 

Waiting to hear from anyone who has shot groups with Norma Subsonic Hollow Points. I have my reasons and they live in trees.

 

I don't know if they are in the wild yet. Squirrel season opens here this Saturday, I'm going to be in the woods with some HP'd CCI-SV that went though my Waltz die...hope I get a real world test.

 

I'm wondering why people find it necessary (or advantageous) to use HPs on squirrels. Just curious.

 

They kill better.

 

Dead is dead. Not saying you shouldn't use them. I've just never had any problems with solids. Most of my shots are head shots, or on occasions, shoulder/lung shots. One shot, one kill. I won't say I never miss, but very rarely. Mostly within 30 yds or so, but beyond that out to 45 or 50. I have on a few occasions reached out to 75-80 yds., but that's stretching it. For anything beyond about 30, I definitely use the CZ 455 with the big scope. Inside that, I'll use the AR 15/22 at 6x for "pest control". I'm sure using HP wouldn't be a bad idea, but I do wonder if they expand decently at those velocities. I guess you should be able to tell from the degree of tissue damage.

 

Wait for good head shots, use solids, save the meat! No need for HP's IMHO!

 

Wait for head shots but I still prefer HP or TC over round nose for hunting. Just extra margin not every offhand shot goes exactly as planned. In my experience.

 

Just extra margin not every offhand shot goes exactly as planned. In my experience.

Mine too. I just don't take offhand shots at squirrels.

 

I like flat nose bullets for small game.
I have a die that can make any 22 ammo
a flat nose bullet.
Hits them hard.💯☠

 

I like flat nose bullets for small game.
I have a die that can make any 22 ammo
a flat nose bullet.
Hits them hard.💯☠

Does it cut them off, or press them flat?

 

So is it the general consensus that the Tac 22 subsonic HP is the same as the RWS subsonic HP they marketed as reduced report ammunition.
I had excellent luck with the RWS version back when it was $6 and available, but now I haven’t seen it for a while and the Anschutz site was $12-$13 a box if even available.
It was very consistent and vertical was as good as anything I’ve tried at all times he 200 yard mark.
If they run it on sale at at decent price, I may bite, please post results if anybody gives it a try before then.

 

So is it the general consensus that the Tac 22 subsonic HP is the same as the RWS subsonic HP

I believe they are the exact same thing in different boxes.

 

Sorry guys, I really can spell, the phone just has a mind of its own. Technology gotta love it, 🤔🤔

 

Funguns, look at Normas advertisement. RWS Subsonic Hollow Points are 1033FPS.

Norma states two velocities, 1017FPS in their "Key Metrics" column.....and 1033FPS in some wording further down from the key metrics column. .22 LR - 40 Gr - Norma TAC-22 Subsonic - QTY 50 - Norma Shooting

Norma has changed some of their labeled velocities equal to those of RWS. I believe they did change the round nose TAC 22 ammo to 1083FPS which is exactly in line with many of the RWS product velocities.

Whether there are a few granules less propellant in the Norma SSHP versus the RWS SSHP rounds or not, I'd think they'd likely be produced on the same machines.

Unless you find them at a bargain price, I'd buy a couple box to test and then buy a case of the same lot #.

I've found the RWS SSHP's to be nicely accurate. The Norma SSHP shouldn't be far behind.

 

Funguns, look at Normas advertisement. RWS Subsonic Hollow Points are 1033FPS.

Norma states two velocities, 1017FPS in their "Key Metrics" column.....and 1033FPS in some wording further down from the key metrics column. .22 LR - 40 Gr - Norma TAC-22 Subsonic - QTY 50 - Norma Shooting

Norma has changed some of their labeled velocities equal to those of RWS. I believe they did change the round nose TAC 22 ammo to 1083FPS which is exactly in line with many of the RWS product velocities.

Whether there are a few granules less propellant in the Norma SSHP versus the RWS SSHP rounds or not, I'd think they'd likely be produced on the same machines.

Unless you find them at a bargain price, I'd buy a couple box to test and then buy a case of the same lot #.

I've found the RWS SSHP's to be nicely accurate. The Norma SSHP shouldn't be far behind.

When you go to Norma's technical site and find the subsonic

Norma Subsonic-22

www.norma-ammunition.com

It shows 315 m/s which is 1033 and matches the RWS like you noted.

I'm a little surprised they printed 310/1017 on the box, but I guess I shouldn't be considering the 10 years they printed 1100 on the Tac-22 box, and referred you to the internet for details that stated 330 m/s mv.

Norma TAC-22 40gr

www.norma-ammunition.com

I guess there is a slight possibility that the "Tac-22 subsonic" is a brand new formula different than the "Norma subsonic 22" and the RWS subsonics...

Either way in both cases the difference is 5 m/s, probably see that much spread in a single box.

 

I had the opportunity to shoot some of the new Tac-22 SSHP I received yesterday. Central Florida is brutal this time of year. Temp. was about 90 degrees, humidity 100%, mosquitos the size of sparrows (maybe a little overstated) and 3" of standing water.
I tested three of my squirrel rifles today with this ammo:
CZ 452 Grand Finale with a Leupold 6.5-20x40
Remington 541s Voelker, Shilen match grade barrel, Vortex 4-12x40
Ruger 10/22 Rifle Custom Barrel, Leupold 2-7
The two bolt guns are capable of groups in the teens to quarter inch, and the 10/22 to .3s with their preferred ammo.

Each rifle fired five, five shot groups with clean barrel.

CZ 452 Grand Finale, .826, .448, .748, .384, .320. Average .545"
Remington 541s Voelker, .733, .627, 1.502, .435, .355. Average .730
Ruger 10/22, .335, .625, .807, .767, .835. Average .673

I have three more squirrel rifles to try this ammo in:
Kimber 82b Classic
Kimber 82c Classic
Winchester 52 R

All capable of very good accuracy with preferred ammo. Any time a new 22lr becomes available I try it. Sometimes it shoots excellent sometime not. Who would have known PMC Zappers would average .349 out of the Grand Finale!

 

I had the opportunity to shoot some of the new Tac-22 SSHP I received yesterday. Central Florida is brutal this time of year. Temp. was about 90 degrees, humidity 100%, mosquitos the size of sparrows (maybe a little overstated) and 3" of standing water.
I tested three of my squirrel rifles today with this ammo:
CZ 452 Grand Finale with a Leupold 6.5-20x40
Remington 541s Voelker, Shilen match grade barrel, Vortex 4-12x40
Ruger 10/22 Rifle Custom Barrel, Leupold 2-7
The two bolt guns are capable of groups in the teens to quarter inch, and the 10/22 to .3s with their preferred ammo.

Each rifle fired five, five shot groups with clean barrel.

CZ 452 Grand Finale, .826, .448, .748, .384, .320. Average .545"
Remington 541s Voelker, .733, .627, 1.502, .435, .355. Average .730
Ruger 10/22, .335, .625, .807, .767, .835. Average .673

I have three more squirrel rifles to try this ammo in:
Kimber 82b Classic
Kimber 82c Classic
Winchester 52 R

All capable of very good accuracy with preferred ammo. Any time a new 22lr becomes available I try it. Sometimes it shoots excellent sometime not. Who would have known PMC Zappers would average .349 out of the Grand Finale!

Appreciate your effort to standardize your method and record the data for us all to see. Of course, some folks will tell you that your results aren't conclusive unless you fire 50 @ 200; but don't let that discourage you
PS: The statement above concerning some folks is not to be taken to mean that if you do always shoot 50 @ 200, that you don't have a life.

 

A little off topic, but didn't figure it needed a new thread; Norma has now added another version "XTREME LR 22", long range 43 grain LRN, 1,165fps.

ETA: Wonder if it's repackaged RWS R Plus Long Range, which also is listed at 355m/s (1,165fps), bullet weight 2.8gr (43 grain).

 

Tried some of the black box Tac 22 this morning. Not very good at all. Using my Winchester Model 75 Sporter which always does .75" at 60 yrds with plain Federal best I could get was about 2" Glad I only bought 100rds. Saving other box for plinking in my HK 416d

 

I'm confused by the ad. I've shot Norma TAC-22 in my old-school target 22s for years, because it's subsonic. Sounds like just another marketing ploy. It's accurate enough for my purposes, shoots clean with no leading to speak of, and the lube, despite the way it looks, doesn't seem to collect dust or grit. Most of it's just barely subsonic, probably because they wanted it to function properly in autoloaders. In my experience, that's pretty hit-or-miss, but I don't shoot my autoloaders in competition anyway. It works okay in an old Remington 241 I have, but doesn't reliably function the action on a Model 60. No big deal; I just keep some CCI HV around for that one.

 

It's the Hollow Point version of TAC-22. Price is too high IMHO, but I have a Neal Waltz die set, so I can HP any LRN ammo I want now. I've HP'd some regular TAC-22 and CCI-SV, they both shoot well after being modified.

 

The Black box tac-22 shot reasonably well out of several of my rifles. The 541s Voelker Averaged .407. The 52b R slightly larger, which is why I wanted to try the sshp. I also bought 4 bricks of the red box to try but have not shot any yet.
Is your sporter scoped or sights? Never owned one but have shot several. They are a classic.

 

It has a Weaver K-4 duplex reticle that I added back in the late 60's. Rifle itself dated 1940.

 

Beautiful rifle...

 

CCI subsonic still $13 a hundred. $8 per 50 seems kinda steep.