Congrats. Good practice makes perfect. Bad practice just keeps doing the same old thing. When you get into mthe small group type shooting there are many little things that add up to make those tiny groups. Good luck on your search.

 

Old, Old Joke..... Tourist asks a New York policeman...How do you get to Carnegie Hall...His Reply...PRACTICE, PRACTICE, PRACTICE..

 

Be careful those small groups become addictive! (And expensive)

 

He speaks the truth, then you will think if I tried more expensive match ammo I would do better, and after that you will think, If I buy a more expensive better rifle I would do better yet.😉

 

Once you find an ammo your gun likes, your groups will give you info on what going on. I found for me, most of the time vertical stringing is caused by variance in butt pressure and horizontal stringing caused by imperfect parallax adjustment.

 

Thanks! That's just the type of info I need.

 

congratulations

 

Good job

 

I'll defer to those who are more neurotic about matters of precision, but the RFC faithful usually say to subtract the diameter of a .22 so as to get a center-to-center measurement for your group. If calculated that way, the image in your photo looks like it might be within, rather than just over, 1/2".

 

Funny I was just wondering how to get a precise measurement. If I understand you would measure outside to outside hole and then deduct .224. Is that correct?

 

I like small groups too !!! But remember........even a broken clock is perfect, twice a day.

 

My broken digital clock is never right.

 

The only thing is the diameter of the bullet hole in the paper is smaller than the actual bullet diameter. It does make a .22 cal hole but the paper springs back somewhat and appears smaller. So you would actually be deducting less than .22, not sure what the actual figure is.

 

From the pic the group looks just under a 1/2" to me.

 

If you measure the widest point including the wax ring and deduct .22” it will be about as close as you can get. The wax ring will show the actual bullet hole size even though the paper doesn’t get punched out.

 

As for a better rifle build one from what you have. Our guys in SuperStock forum got very good at just that I may never be a European match rifle cut there is much satisfaction in tuning a more common rifle to do amazing stuff and much to be learned in both building and shooting that little gem

 

When we are picky about group size, we shoot a lone shot on the target to measure the blackened ring with calipers. Then we measured the group the same way, using the lone shot measurement for the calculation.

 

Correct.
Anyone using .222 or .224 is just padding the books.
When that .224 bullet exits the barrel it has been swage down and no longer the starting diameter. If someone wanted to catch one between their teeth, we could measure one.

I've shot many of DrGunners games and many games in SuperStock. In those games you shoot four individual sizer shots measuring each from edge of smudge to edge of smudge, then ad them and divide by 4 for a sizer average. Subtract that from the group for a center-to-center group size.

I have a Win 52 that averages sizers in the .208 range, a 10/22 that's in the .215 range and a CZ with a Lilja barrel that shoots them in the .211 range.

If someone would think the 10/22 would have the advantage using the .215 sizer their wrong. The 10/22 with the larger sizer also shot its group with .215's, making it's group larger than the others.

It's the only way to have a fair playing field.

How about it @Vincent

 

The 722 is a real shooter -the only thing holding it back is the trigger -I’ve worked on mine some and its easier to shoot now —it’s just as good as my cz at 55 yds and very close at 300byds -my group shoots at private range -steel targets out to 350 yds -our smallest target at 55 yds is 1/4 “-here is my warm up at last competition at 55 yds —it takes eley match to get this — it’s actually 14 rounds from cold bore -first shots of the day -first 5 were hard to see as they went through the same whole

 

Was shooting in barrel -cleaned the night before -it will do 1/2 “or under when serious -groups 3 to 5 “ at 300 yds with eley match -almost as good as the cz

 

I was recently told by a fellow shooter with World record titles that .219” is the figure you subtract from your .22 rimfire measurement. I have always used the .224” one myself. If I want an extremely accurate measurement, I use Ballistic-X on my phone. As long as your 1” baseline is accurate the measurement should be spot on.

All of my groups are shot for my benefit. Not really significant in any of my match competitions. I shoot groups just for consistency and practice. It saves targets. I can get 28 5 shot groups on one USBR target.

I am starting to buy some of the same targets that I shoot in matches, and score them accordingly. It adds more perspective to my results. Some of those are 5 shot groups for score so groups size is important but location on the target is primary for score.

Congratulations on your shooting. I was just looking at a Keystone last night and wondering if it would be a fun gun to play with. I have all I need now, but a new toy every now and then is fun.

 

Thanks for the Ballistic-X tip! I'm gonna give that a try.

 

I bought my keystone because it’s different-it’s made in USA by family owned and run company and had really good reviews on customer service-mine had a cracked stock from shipping and I called and talked to Steve and he said return it - they replaced it free no questions asked-had some light strike issues and he sent me a new bolt that solved it -he sent me some trigger parts To use to get a better trigger —I don’t think you could find a better company to work with than them -it’s a squirrel gun but holds its own on the bench -if someone ever makes a true target grade trigger for them it’ll be tough to beat

 

Plus you’ll probably be the only guy in your group that has one 😎

 

Nice!!!!

 

Here are some groups I shot last week with my new Savage Mkii FV. Just put it in an MDT field stock yesterday and mounted a

new Athlon Heras SPR 15-60x56. Modified the factory trigger to 8 ounces. Going to see in the morning if it is any better or worse.