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MTR vs Varmint

2.1K views 20 replies 11 participants last post by  IndustryOutsider  
#1 ·
I'm getting a chance to compare my Varmint to my new MTR. I got the Varmint based on the simpler stock design, lots of anecdotal evidence that the match chamber of the MTR was not necessarily a huge advantage and the lack of availability of the MTR. Even though I'm just getting it broken in and just getting used to shooting it, when a deal came up on an MTR, I decided having both wouldn't be a mortal sin and jumped on it.

I've shot the Varmint in a couple of matches and it's doing just fine. I've only got a hundred or so rounds through the MTR but it's shooting very well. I have to say I like the MTR stock more than I thought I would, though the shape of the buttstock portion makes it awkward on the bag I'm using. I took both of them to the range today to see if I could get a sense of any difference in performance. I needed to get some more rounds through the MTR anyway to help season the barrel and I hadn't shot the Varmint since a match last week so I was eager to revisit it.

I started by putting a 30 or 40 rounds of Norma Tac through the MTR after sighting in with some CCI SV. The SV's seem to want to group pretty well and the Norma Tac definitely shoots well in this gun. After the Norma Tac, I wanted to try a couple of lots of SK Rifle Match. Those have been shooting well in a couple of guns and they showed plenty of potential today. I moved on to a few groups of Lapua Pistol King and Center-X. I didn't shoot a lot of those because it seemed obvious that they shot well and I wanted to move on the Varmint.

Since the Varmint is pretty broken in by now, I just blew through 10 rounds of Norma Tac to warm up the bore. Results are pictured below. I'd like to say that the one flyer was my cold-bore flyer but I don't think it was. The ammo seems pretty consistent so I'm pretty sure that's just me pulling a shot. I shot a few groups with the Rifle Match and the Pistol King and Center-X but I didn't go too deep with a lot of groups. This gun has pretty much established itself and I have a good idea of what it does. I will say that after shooting the MTR the stock felt a little skimpy and uncomfortable. I had trouble finding the sight picture and I realized that I didn't have a predictable cheek weld to work with - definitely going to put a little riser of some sort on the stock to see how that works.

Below is a target with the groups from each. Both guns had decent 36X scopes and both are in more or less stock trim with no bedding on either other than some aluminum tape to snug the action side-to-side and the triggers lightened into the 10 ounce range. Though it's not a very exhaustive test regimen, it's plain to see that while there may be a bit of an advantage for the MTR, it's not significant - that may change a little as the barrel gets worn in a little.
For the averages, I left out some first groups after ammo change and groups with particularly nasty flyers.
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#5 ·
Heck.....you are right, they are pretty similar. I have both those barrels and an extra action and chassis and was debating on maybe doing another gun but couldnt decide what barrel to use. To me the Varmint barrel looks like its shooting better than the MTR but like you said it might be because of the breakin. Could also be because you havent gotten quite the right ammo for the MTR yet too.
 
#12 ·
Me too. Good practice ammo though. My first time trying my new barrel I put 6 through the same hole at 50 and I dont mean a ragged hole. Then two flyers and two which now made the same hole a ragged one. I thought about weighing it to see if I could get rid of the flyers but I would have to wipe that lubricant off of each one to do it and there is not guarantee it would work.
 
#14 ·
I have two Varmints and two MTR's. With mine, stock, the MTR's shoot better. Part of that might be the heavier weight is easier to shoot. The MTR's shoot better from a rest although I shoot both from bipod most of the time. I have replaced the barrels on both varmints because of this. One has a Lilja barrel which helped. It now out shoots one of the MTR's but not the oldest one. The second one I just put a MTR barrel on it. Shot it one time. Used some old SK Rifle match that could never find a gun it shot in. Now it has. But I need to tune the action screws and try some Center-X, Pistol King, OSP and Eley Match. Have hope it will ber a real shooter. Being a 3P shooter from the age of 11 I prefer the full pistol grip of the MTR, just feels right and gives my trigger finger good position.
 
#15 ·
Most posts seem to lean towards MTR as being more accurate than Varmint with the match chamber being the reason. i wonder if barrels that are earmarked for the MTR could be treated different. Maybe a little closer tolerances, more stringent quality control or whatever?
Rimfire ammo makes it into a more expensive box because of some of those things.
 
#16 ·
Comparing the two is great and you have done a good job, what I would suggest to make the comparison equal is I would shoot both using the same stock to the same inch pound setting shot the same way.
I’m not saying or suggesting there isn’t anything wrong with what you are doing.

I will do this occasionally with my 455’s. I have several varmint/American stocked 455’s and one in a manners stock. Each one has had its turn in the manners stock for equil accuracy comparison.
This will in my mind give you a more consistent result to compare with.

You and your two 457’s are shooting very good keep up with your shooting. I’m ready to get back to shooting soon.
 
#17 ·
I would suggest to make the comparison equal is I would shoot both using the same stock to the same inch pound setting shot the same way.
For anyone interested in ARA Factory class, that's not particularly useful. If the Varmint shot better in the MTR stock, even if it outright shot better than the MTR, you'd still have to put it back in its original stock to use it for "legal" match shooting. :)