For me personally, I will never hold anything more than the 25 ring on the ARA unlimited target. If I find myself just on that edge, I will dial in windage so that my hold is around the 50 ring. But, I absolutely hate having windage dialed in unless i absolutely need to.

 

If you are holding on the 8 or say 10 Ring sooner or later you are going to hit on your dot, where you are holding.

That's what happens when you miss the wind change. For me the problem is wind "let ups" rather than increase or gusts. Gotta pay attention to the wind flags ALL THE TIME.

 

I've shot matches where you have to hold off 10 ring. Otherwise you'll never be able to shoot. Sure you can dial in for the wind but you're just asking for trouble. The wind changes and you end up lost. The wind changes often where I shoot

 

I hear you Pat. We absolutely shoot in some tough and switching wind conditions. I know no other way other than to hold off. Like if you didn’t hold off you might get three to four shots a target that would hit your dot the rest would be 8’s and 7’s or 25’s and 10’s. BUT
The statement that you should never have to hold off the 10 or 100 ring. Have I ever seen this. I would say yes ARA target never off the 100 ring and never off the 9 ring on IR50 target. Like Maybe once or twice out of 100’s of targets. I did experience dialing in a bunch of windage and hitting the dot. In the let up’s and slight direction changes say holding off the 10 ring to hit in the changes and just didn’t shoot the let up’s. We really didn’t have hardly any reverses that day. It pretty much was flat out in the one direction. Most of the time. Really good barrel, Rifle, super ammo. ?

 

Frank, in all the years I've been shooting I bet I could count the number of times I've held on the dot with my fingers. As far as how far I'll hold off its as much as it takes. There have been several times I've held on the edge of the black ( IR50 obviously).
I have tried dialing for a prevailing condition with stiff winds before & always seem to be bit by it.
Mainly because rarely will I shoot just the prevailing condition because inevitably there is more than one & I can't seem to shoot just the one & I prefer a left wind. If the right wind is prevailing I'll shoot it but when there's a switch I want to shoot that left wind. Thats just me.
As to a strategy I don't recall ever really having one entering a match. As we're shooting though ofcourse we'll notice something, usually a certain flag, push, or let up I want to shoot.

 

Yea that would be my take on it. As I stated in my first post. I heard some tales. The statement was you should never have to hold off the 10 ring. Naturally this has not been my experience. I thought it might be complete horse pucky. IDK, maybe something IDK.

 

Well Frank, I would say the majority of the time I am holding on its outer edge somewhere regardless of wind direction. But I certainly hold outside it when needed but in the grand scheme of things that isn't really commonplace.
I will say that I almost never hold on the dot.
I may have misspoke as to not having a strategy though in that I hate calms & resist shooting them. I like some wind & prefer when it is breezy to shoot the push. Thats just sorta been ingrained into me over the years from I guess less than stellar performance's I suppose.

 

Well we have diverse wind conditions here. I don’t believe or think any one strategy would work for the all the conditions we see. This recent match the wind was, you could call it swirling but It actually was coming from multiple directions. The flags showing a L-R from 9 O clock but you could feel a 4-5 mph wind blowing on the back of your neck. So It was dancing from 6-9 O clock on the flags but the flags didn’t always show the dominant condition. Plus it would change almost every shot. So nobody did too well. I have seen it where the wind was light but had a lot of bullet movement. So just really tough wind conditions. Naturally I try to learn or find something that would work better for me to get a higher score. Like I haven’t had one decent day this year to do any real testing or tuning. I just show up and shoot and it is what it is. lol. So Cold, Rain, and high winds, nothing but so far this year.

 

Do any of you or know of anyone or any good educational through the scope video or match video that show a shooters hold during a session and also shows the wind flags on the coarse at the same time for those of us who have no way to visit a live match to see the pro's at work?

 

Do any of you or know of anyone or any good educational through the scope video or match video that show a shooters hold during a session and also shows the wind flags on the coarse at the same time for those of us who have no way to visit a live match to see the pro's at work?

Do any of you or know of anyone or any good educational through the scope video or match video that show a shooters hold during a session and also shows the wind flags on the coarse at the same time for those of us who have no way to visit a live match to see the pro's at work?

Or you could just shoot your bullets in your rifle on your range with your flags and see what happens.

 

Well I AM doing that now.
I am a hands on learner at best. BUT, second best I am a VISUAL learner and if I can't be at the range doing... Watching how a PRO, does it and explaining it as they do it VISUAL & AUDIO is way better than reading about it. Which is my weakest form of learning...

 

Wind can cause a bullet to impact high, low, left or right. So can your ammo, your rifle, your rest, your bench, and your skill set. How do you propose to tell which is which?

 

Wind can cause a bullet to impact high, low, left or right. So can your ammo, your rifle, your rest, your bench, and your skill set. How do you propose to tell which is which?

Watching how a PRO, does it and explaining it as they do it VISUAL & AUDIO is way better than reading about it. Which is my weakest form of learning...

I thought this line was self explanatory.

By no means do I think watching a video is going to make me a crack shot. All I was asking was is if anyone knew of any good tutorials out there that show what the shooter is seeing as well as explains the results and explaining the why of the results.

I don't know of anyone who thinks that first hand experience is not the best teacher.

But it is ridiculous to think we all have countless hours to sit behind the trigger even it we wanted to the sun does go down at night and it is hard to shoot in the dark but we can watch videos in the dark.
So basically the answers to my questions would be Yes we know of such video's or No we don't know of such videos.

I guess I am not the only one who has problems with the written word.

 

This guy gas a bunch of video's showing shooting with flags & the target displayed.

 

Tom.....My posts are an effort to steer you in a direction where you can expect to have some success in the wind.

 

Sorry but the only way one is going to learn to shoot in the wind is to do it. Videos mean nothing. Set your flags out. Watch for a wind condition. Sight on the dot and shoot. See where the bullet ends up to see the results. Hold off 180 degrees, wait for the same wind condition and shoot. Repeat for other wind conditions. That's how you learn. John has shot more in the wind and under severe conditions than about anyone. I bet he didn't learn it from some video.

 

In today's world you don't start at the beginning or at the bottom and work your way up.

 

I have even though I used to shoot RFBR targets in the wind over flags. It's completely different at the ranges I shoot at now. Shooting sanctioned matches with strong competition is humbling too.

 

Almost every range I shoot is different some very different! Ask John how different the new range is in southern Ohio is compared to Lancaster ohio range is,then compare it to say St. Louis. I shoot each match the best I can I change my style of wind shooting at each place in St Louis I dope my scope most places I hold off but my scope is always centered at 0 on my turrets so I can always go back. My favorite range for wind is kettlefoot to me it does what the flags tells me it’s doing nothing weird

 

Kfoot and Cfoot both shoot pretty true. Fayette Co in Connersville IN is another good one. The most important thing for me is if bench draw isn't a huge factor.