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Marlin Model 70 Not Cycling Well

2.9K views 25 replies 6 participants last post by  tntatro  
#1 ·
Hello, I have a Marlin model 70 that hasn't been used much in the past 30 years. I took it apart and cleaned and oiled it and the first seven round clip fired all seven with no problems. After that, each clip would shoot four or five shots and then the next bullet would not load. Nothing jammed or anything, I just have to pull the action back to reload and fire the remaining bullets. I only shot about a half dozen clips before deciding it needs repairs or maybe a better cleaning. Any ideas on what would cause it to not load the next bullet?

Thanks, Tim
 
#3 · (Edited)
Welcome to the forum. My first 2 guesses are you may have kinked the bolt return spring and it's binding. The other is your bolt buffer has broke and the nylon pieces are interfering with bolt. 30 years is old for one. The nylon gets brittle. This is a broken one and a new replacement. Open it back up and take a look. Good luck.

Oh, look ate the ejector wire also. You may have bent it and it's dragging on the bolt.

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#5 ·
Welcome to the forum. My first 2 guesses are you may have kinked the bolt return spring and it's binding. The other is your bolt buffer has broke and the nylon pieces are interfering with bolt. 30 years is old for one. The nylon gets brittle. This is a broken one and a new replacement. Open it back up and take a look. Good luck.
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Thanks, I'll check it out. When I cleaned it I noticed the spring was not perfectly straight and the pin it was on was bent so I straightened it.
 
#8 ·
tntatro - Really Nice that you're 're-conditioning' that older Marlin. I'm sure it'll be worth the effort. If the hammer is broken it's likely the prev owner shot a lot of HyV like Stinkers. Not advised for Marlin 22s w/o getting the HV recoil spring. They're not very accurate anyway, unless you're trying to hunt with 'em - may be OK for that? I run CCI-SV 40g with good results.
Good idea to repl the spring and buffer along with a hammer. You should check the stickies for Arrowdodger's post and video he has on YT, to help adjust the lifter spring to improve feeding.
I also suggest you Not Oil very much, the 60s runs best very dry. I only put a dab of PTFE grease on the Hammer/sear interface and 'Pivot pins' for those parts, then a 'pea-sized' drop spread 'all over the bolt' a VERY thin coat But Not on the Firing Pin. The oil or grease Will Collect dirt and debris - I spray-clean with Silicone dri-lube thru the action. It doesn't collect as much cra* as Oil.
Enjoy your project ;)
 
#9 ·
I can find the spring and buffer easy enough but I haven't found a hammer. Also, I don't know which buffer to buy. This gun is actually a Westpoint model 701 which is the same as Marlin model 70 but I don't know the year it was made. I've owned it for about thirty-five years and it was used when I got it. I'll try to find some CCI-SV 40g.
 
#10 ·
I cleaned it up a little better and shot four clips. This time the first two clips fired fine, the third clip had one shell not eject and the fourth clip had one bullet not load. I oredered a new spring and buffer. I can't find a new hammer. I don't know if different bullets will make any difference but I'm pretty sure I just bought the cheapest bullets at the store when I got them last time. They are Winchester 36 grain hollow points. I'll try other brands after I get the new parts in.

The ejector wire is different on this model than the model 60 in the video. It's not a wire and it can't be measured with coins like in the video due to the parts being shaped different.
 
#11 ·
Hi - the hammer will be hard to find. The ejector/mag release is the Model 70/795&variants is pinned to the magazine guide. It is very difficult to bend and adjust and usually not a problem for ejection. The ammo is likely an issue. Ll i can recommend there is try some CCI standard velocity for off the shelf ammo.

Going back to the hammer, anything from a model 60 will work as well.
 
#12 ·
Hi - the hammer will be hard to find. The ejector/mag release is the Model 70/795&variants is pinned to the magazine guide. It is very difficult to bend and adjust and usually not a problem for ejection. The ammo is likely an issue. Ll i can recommend there is try some CCI standard velocity for off the shelf ammo.

Going back to the hammer, anything from a model 60 will work as well.
Thanks, I'll try the CCI standard velocity and search again for a hammer for a model 60 since they are more common.
 
#13 · (Edited)
Ahh you have the older ejector. They are tough to find. Generally they don,t cause problems like the newer wire ones unless the get bend, which is pretty hard to do. The 1 or 2 that I know of that got bent was getting one of those rope cleaning pull throughs from the muzzel. Liike Hoppes. I never use those. THey can snag all kinds of things causing problems. Good luck.
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#14 ·
I found a new style hammer from a model 60 and ordered it. I don't know if it's the correct part I need but it looks the same from memory from when I had it apart, although I don't have the best memory. Still waiting on the other parts. I also ordered some CCI standard velocity rounds.
 
#15 ·
I got the parts in today and installed them. Here is a picture of the old parts next to the new ones. The hammer I got was used but in good condition. The old spring was much shorter than the new one due to bends and wear and the old buffer appears to be the wrong buffer because the hole for the pin is much bigger. The old buffer was pretty sloppy, the new one moves a little but is a better fit. I had to push it onto the pin. The action feels way better when I pull it back. It's much smoother and snaps back into place more firmly.

I'm still waiting on the bullets. I think I'll save my hollow points for another gun because I plan to buy another 22lr eventually. I don't want to break another hammer.
 

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#17 · (Edited)
Thanks for the help, I think it's shooting good now.

I got the bullets shortly after my last post. So far it seems to be fixed as far as shooting with my two seven shot clips but I bought a ten shot clip and the last shot jams every time with the standard velocity rounds. I tried the hollow points with the ten shot clip and it would shoot nine shots and the last would not load. The picture is from the last shots with the ten shot clip from the standard velocity rounds. I think the problem is from the clip. When I get set up better with a shooting range I'll see how well it does in general. I think the ten shot clip might have been a bad purchase.
 

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#20 ·
I tried drilling out the buffer but the material is kind of like rubber and just stretches around the drill bit. My old buffer has a hole diameter of about 5/16", the pin is about 9/64" and the new buffer has a hole diameter of about 7/16". I think I was supposed to get the newer type buffer but due to the flexibility of the material I am able to press this older style type on the pin. It seems like it would be okay but not sure if I should get the later style.
 
#22 · (Edited)
I just saw this post and the pic of the jammed bullets. I remembered this issue from another forum and found the link ( I save s*** like this for 'eventualities' - 'it happens to us all' ). There's also a YT vid of maintenance that refers to this issue. NOTE- Read all the comments on the YT-vid. Hope these help you . . .
BTW - That jam is often referred as the "Snakebite Jam" or the "Rabbit Bite Jam".
http s://texashuntingforum.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/2570812/2
http s://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z992sT4akRI&lc=Ugxny_G8gnFbuEUDv594AaABAg
 
#25 ·
I finally cleared out an area for a shooting range and did a little testing on the model 70. It seems to cycle fine with my seven round clips but the new ten round clip I bought still will never load the last round. I tried several different types of ammo also. I believe it's a problem with the clip.

The action doesn't stay open on the last shot anymore. I'm guessing it may have to do with the new spring but not sure.

I also had one round backfire but I think that was a defective bullet. The whole back rim part blew off and left the rest of the casing in the barrel.

I didn't do a lot of shooting because I can't see much through the scope that's on it unless it's bright out and my target was in a shady area. The rear iron sight was loose so I didn't want to use it but I think I got it a little tighter now by taking it off and putting it back on.
 
#26 ·
Thanks everyone for helping me get this gun going again. I think everything is good now except I could probably use new rear sights or a better scope. I fixed the 10 round magazine problem by slightly bending the feed lips on top. As far as the last shot hold open, I guess this one never had it. I looked at the part in the parts diagram and took my gun apart and it doesn't have it.