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Marlin model 60 owners, the gauntlet is being thrown down...

8.3K views 114 replies 57 participants last post by  iam6345789  
#1 ·
I didn't want to drag another thread down so I started a new one.

I would definitely buy a Marlin Model 60 before a 10/22. Unfortunately, Ruger bought Marlin for their lever guns and buried the Model 60. It is a superior gun for accuracy and reliability.
I know nothing about the rifle, but they may be great for the field. I have never seen one used in competition... ever. I have seen lots of 10/22s and of all .22 rifles used in steel challenge that's all I ever see. So my view is admittedly limited.

Is the design so good that custom makers have stepped up to make Model 60s on steroids or are they so good that they need nothing to match near to what a bolt action can do?

I have never seen groups posted shot from model 60s. I just read words about how great they are. Without pix it never happened and words are cheap. I bet they shoot "lights out". But all of my firearms never need light in order to function. But having light does make them more accurate 'cause I can see and I'm quite fond of seeing. I believe that your model 60 also shoots without light so there's no need to document it shooting in darkness.

Model 60 owners, the ball's in your court. The challenge has been delivered.

"Lights out" means nothing, "it's accurate" means nothing. We all have our own meanings to those words, my meaning of those words are probably not yours, so they're meaningless. Post groups.

Here's the place to do so, so that the other thread isn't sidetracked.

Other rifle owners post groups but I have never seen a group posted by an owner of a Marlin model 60 or if it was it never registered.

Links would also work. Educate me about the model 60s accuracy. Only groups need apply. Show me, don't tell me. Videos get extra credit for credibility.
 
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Model 60’s aren’t used in competitions because competitions are designed in ways that make reloading via a mag the only way to compete. Stuffing a tube to complete a stage isn’t going to win, and very few competitions only require 12-15 shots. If they did, the Marlin would beat the 10/22 with a 10 round mag. Of course, the Ruger has 15 and 25 round mags. But what if they weren’t allowed?

Why has no one built parts or souped up models? Partly because it doesn’t need that to do the job, and partly because it’s a tube feed, and playing Lego with it is difficult.
See…if you buy the more expensive Ruger, and then find out it kinda sucks…you have two choices. Admit you got suckered, and buy a cheaper but better gun; or, spend some more money to make the gun as good as everyone said it was. Pride says most folks just throw more money at it. And it works, if you spend more, the 10/22 does get better. And if you spend even more, it eventually gets better than the Marlin or Savage….which cost half what you’ve now spent. So again…pride kicks in, and fanbois cannot admit it.

Accuracy. See, that is another thing. People buy Marlins to hunt, or plink. Not to compete. So they don’t usually shoot groups to try to compare to the other guy. They zero the gun, then go shoot things.

When we shoot with guys that have Rugers…we hit more than they do. Not that they’ll admit it. Or if they do admit it, it will be because they haven’t upgraded the trigger yet, or they have a droopy barrel, or some silly thing.😅
Of course, the guys with the $700 upgraded gun won’t bring it out to hunt. It might get dirty or maybe even scratched!😱

At least…that’s what I’ve seen over the years.
 
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Model 60’s aren’t used in competitions because competitions are designed in ways that make reloading via a mag the only way to compete. Stuffing a tube to complete a stage isn’t going to win, and very few competitions only require 12-15 shots. If they did, the Marlin would beat the 10/22 with a 10 round mag. Of course, the Ruger has 15 and 25 round mags. But what if they weren’t allowed?
Same reason I don't use my 60 for jack rabbit hunting. Way easier to carry 4 25 round mags.
 
#3 ·
The first gun I ever paid for myself, a Marlin 989 M2. Saved up my paper route money to buy it. Think I was netting about $3 a week so that $49.95 took a few months. That was 1966 and I was twelve :)

It's clip fed and has shot a lot impromptu competitions with other neighborhood kids and later college pals. I remember winning as often as not against Remington 12s and Browning SAs. Didn't see many 10/22s back then. I'd say pretty typical 2 MOA accuracy with low end plinking ammo. Never tried fancy stuff in it.

I still own her although she hasn't been out in decades. But I'll say this. She's got nothing to prove to anyone. I had more fun with that little gun than money can buy and she doesn't owe anybody anything!

Internet pic below, mine has a no name 1960's 3/4" tube 4x20 on it but I still have the take off rear sight amazingly. Those things are worth money!

Frank

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The first gun I ever paid for myself, a Marlin 989 M2. Saved up my paper route money to buy it. Think I was netting about $3 a week so that $49.95 took a few months. That was 1966 and I was twelve :)

It's clip fed and has shot a lot impromptu competitions with other neighborhood kids and later college pals. I remember winning as often as not against Remington 12s and Browning SAs. Didn't see many 10/22s back then. I'd say pretty typical 2 MOA accuracy with low end plinking ammo. Never tried fancy stuff in it.

I still own her although she hasn't been out in decades. But I'll say this. She's got nothing to prove to anyone. I had more fun with that little gun than money can buy and she doesn't owe anybody anything!

Internet pic below, mine has a no name 1960's 3/4" tube 4x20 on it but I still have the take off rear sight amazingly. Those things are worth money!

Frank

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I had the same one. Lot of enemy squirrels went down with mine.
 
#4 ·
I accept the challenge. This will be fun. Facts is facts, Marlin model 60's are accurate straight out of the box. Triggers got heavier over the years but you can lighten the pull by a couple pounds in 5 minutes for free. No barrel change or any other upgrade needed. If I had time I would do some shooting now but, I have to fix a corn grinder and try to kill some pigeons/rats this morning. If the rain holds off and the wind doesn't blow I will get to shooting later today. As stated by LtCrunch, I expect 1-2 moa to be the norm with bulk ammo. Standby.:p
 
#12 ·
Although both the 60 and the 10/22 are both semi-auto .22's, my thought is they are different tools for different purposes.

The 10/22 is the queen of kitchen table modification. It can be easily altered with minimum tools and experience. The 60 shines as an out-of-the box walking around plinking and small game hunting rifle, slim, light, and large capacity. Box magazines are usually preferred for bench and competition use, but a tube magazine is great for field stuff.
 
#13 · (Edited)
None of this really addresses BrianK's request for visual (photos or videos) proof of accuracy. LtCrunch did at least provide an estimate of accuracy, 2 MOA, but that is still lacking. Yes, there are pictures of some pretty rifles but proof of accuracy is still not provided. C'mon guys, someone must have shot some groups with their Model 60 and took some pictures of them. The claim was made that the Model 60 is more accurate than the 10/22; prove it.
 
#15 ·
I don't really understand all the chest thumping. Either rifle sends a lead projectile down range with each pull of the trigger until empty, usually hitting the target when aimed properly, and that satisfies 99% of potential buyers' needs or desires. Both are economy rifles built to a price point, again, to satisfy most potential buyer needs. The Ruger is more easily modified to suit individual tastes, but that utility may or may not appeal to a given shooter, and the utility of the pull-the-trigger-and-it-fires remains the overarching virtue for both. The Marlin is not modified much because doing so is not easy and is deemed unnecessary by most shooters for their needs, not because it starts out superior to the Ruger. Bill Ruger never intended the design to be customizable; he decided the barrel and trigger group attachment methods were simply easier to mass produce, and that modular approach just happened to be appealing to a small group of enthusiasts.

I've owned many examples of both, and some were very accurate, and others were not, most were reliable, a few were not, but I see no trend of either being more accurate or more reliable than the other as they came from the factory.
 
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I didn't know the Marlin 60s were so cheap, the prices start at about $150.

I just picked up the new 10/22-RPF-LP. Black composite stock, 18" barrel with no sights, Weaver style scope base already installed, on sale for $200.
Fairly light, very smooth action and I think it looks cool without sights. Decent trigger, even with the plastic stock it feels solid. I really like it, it's my fourth 10/22.

Great gun for modding cause it's so cheap. I've got a Faxon 16" barrel for it that will take a little weight off and make it quicker handling. And a red dot.
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Well.....I almost didn't bother posting my results. I thought this was going to be fun, but, in the end, not so much,:cautious: I am a man of my word, so here it is. All shots were taken off a single bag, standing, out the window. Cold, brezy, overcast, with occasional light rain. Real world conditions and accuracy. I used three Model 60's ranging from 1971-2007. I can't tell ya if or when the barrels have been cleaned, I loaded tube with 10 rnds, 5 ccisv followed by 5 blazer. I'll not bother commenting on how good or bad Marlin 60's are, cuz why, really. I will say that the 1980 model 60(pictured) has been hitting what I/my dad/my son shoot at for decades with blazer and thunderbolt ammo. I don't have a brand loyalty, I have, and shoot, all kinds of 22's. When it warms up around here I am going to try some match grade ammo in the 1980 and 2007 Model 60's. 45 yds.
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#29 · (Edited)
@BrianK,

Some old pics in thread below.


A little fun story. It doesn't have pics of punched paper, but rather a story of steel. I swore I have some old targets from my 60 rifles, but none to be found.

I went out to practice with one of my Model 60's. I got to the range and there were a trio of guys shooting with more chronos than I had ever seen along with all sorts of other equipment.

They were downrange looking at and measuring targets. I patiently waited for the range to clear.

Once the trio were back, I loaded up my 60 with the then 6 round limit. I stood beside the bench, shouldered the rifle, and proceeded to put 5 of 6 on the steel.

Edit to add: Distance was at 100 yards.

The look on the guy's face immediately to my left was priceless. He walked over, said, "You just walked in here and cold bore put 5 out of 6 on an 8" plate offhand?"

I offered him the rifle, told him where to hold, and he got 1 out of 6. He handed me the 60 back, said, "You got that one figured out", and went back to his bench.

Good old Blazer Brass ammo.

Try out a 60 sometime. They are fun! You may need to replace a buffer, tweak the ejector, but once done, bring a lot of ammo.
 
#30 ·
Sadly this is the only target I have saved. From when I first purchased the used rifle and scoped it with a 2-7 Mueller. I later shot a 51 yard target last summer when I had a varmint problem at the storage shed. It shot a 3/4 inch group using a 2 inch target dot with the little diamond center. Using Blazer ammo. I didn’t keep the target.

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#33 ·
My Mayfield Marlin 60 does this at 42 yards (happens to be where the handy target tree is).
Look at that three shot group. This rifle is unmodified.
I now have 2 Mayfield Marlin 60's and 2 7000's.
So, if you can beat that three shot group at 42 yards, I am willing to listen. Use a laser range finder
I did. Use an unmodified 10/22.
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#34 · (Edited)
Well, I kept a few pics of the Marlin 60 targets, though I don't shoot it often. Toomany22s (to coin a phrase) -and other toys. The first pic is the rifle, with a Tasco 4-12x40 scope. Then a target from last spring at 50 with some 'medium grade ammo'. Mostly 1-inch-ish groups. Then a pic of 'tame' squirrels, with the Tasco dialed down to 4x since the other rifle had just a red-dot reflex - a Savage 64 semi. And only at 25 yds since for small targets I don't feel a red-dot is useful.
And I don't shoot much 'groups' with either rifle, the Tenda target was the most I ever shot with the 60 in one day. Worst ammo that day was CCI-SV and AmEagle Subsonic @ 1.145" C- to C .

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