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Long Gong

2.2K views 31 replies 18 participants last post by  BobCole  
#1 ·
I want to start shooting long gong. I have a CZ 457 varmint I want to set up to use. I have to be able to shoot out to 300 yards but, I want to be able to sight in at 50 yds also. I'm thinking I need a 30 moa pic rail and a 34MM scope to accomplish these things. If any of you are doing this 300 yard shooting, I would like to hear what gear you are using and what you would recommend. thank you
 
#2 · (Edited)
We've been playing around with 300 yd shooting with the goal of having a Long Gong match soon. What I can tell you is that for 300 yd shooting with std velocity 22 ammo ( such as SK +/Match) you will need a total of around 50 MOA of adjustment to get from 50 yd Zero to 300 yds. ( That equates to compensating for a 12 1/2 foot bullet drop!) That adjustment can come from some mix of MOA in a rail, Internal adjustment in your scope turret and /or holdover with the reticle in a first focal plane recital. How you get there depends on equipment you have. As a rule of thumb, you can expect to have 1/2 the elevation in your turrets to be usable after a 50 yd zero. i.e. If you have a scope with 110 MOA of adjustment, you may have enough scope to get to 50 MOA without holdover or a rail.
So all that said, I can tell you from experience that most first focal plane scopes with 65 MOA of elevation adjustment (regardless of tube size) will get you there with a 15 MOA rail without having to hold over. .
I prefer something like a Vortex Venom or Strike Eagle but I know shooters doing it with a Diamondback tactical. All these scopes have enough adjustment, a good FFP reticle and glass that's clear enough to see your missed shots. Rifle wise, your Varmint should do just fine. at 300 yds, my 457's keep up with my Vudoo as it's more about reading the wind and ammo consistency than hair splitting accuracy.
FWIW, I'd suggest you start at 200 yds (which requires only 20ish MOA) to start. 300 can be super frustrating right out of the gate. At 200, it's still a challenge but wind and equipment is less of a factor.

There is more discussion on this topic if you go to the long range section of RFC . BTW, I assume your following Rob's Long Gong page on Facebook? Its a heck of a resource for this game.
 
#8 ·
Tacoma did a great job in his reply.
I can't add to that, but I can say that I shoot out to 220 yards with my 457 Varmint 22lr with a 15moa rail and a Vortex Diamondback Tatical without any issues. 50 yard zero is good to go.
I wish I could tell you how far my 457 could reach as set up, but 220 is my max available distance for now.
I am GUESSING that I could reach 300 yards with a 30moa rail if not with the 15moa currently installed.

Have fun!
 
#12 ·
The op tested the 3 types of ammo hyper velocity, high velocity, and subsonic velocity with hyper velocity having the most wind deflection at only 50 yards from a 5 mph cross wind and subsonic having the least by a substantial amount given the distance and high velocity in between both so that’s 50 yards imagine the difference between them at 300 and as HammerTech states in post #10 you have to go through the transition to subsonic also !
 
#15 ·
30 MOA is totally fine for shooting out to 300 but even as high as 50 MOA will still work for a 50 yard zero on most scopes. Your drop at 300 will be in the 14-16 MIL range which many scopes can do without a canted rail. Most of the popular scopes people use for Rimfire will be fine, but I'd pick something with at least 20 MILs, ideally 25-30.

Once you pass 400 you might run into issues depending on the elevation limits of your scope as you're getting into the 25 mil drop range.
 
#17 ·
I just shot my rifle yesterday, 20 MOA rail, 4x16 Arken ELP-4 no problem dialing to 300. Me and my friend were taking turns on a steel gong at 300 with good success. I haven’t measured the gong, guessing 6-8”, I was using some GECO Semi - Auto dialed in at 40 MOA on my turret with 50 yard zero.
 
#23 · (Edited)
Also worth noting that the MOA rating of your rail should not exceed 1/2 the value of the MOA available in your elevation turret adjustment if you want to still keep a 50 yd zero.

i.e If your scope has 60 MOA of internal adjustment a any rail rated at 30 MOA or lower should work. If you put a 40 or 50 MOA rail under a 60MA rated scope, you may not be able to get down to a 50 yd zero. 50 MOA rails should be reserved for scopes with 100+ MOA of adjustment. This stuff ll works in harmony. It's important to know what works (and what doesn't) before blindly buying rails, rings or scopes.

FWIW, this is my current 300 yd favorite. Varmint VPC with Lilja barrel and Vortex Strike Eagle (5-25x56). That's a 50 MOA rail on there and it works great with the 110 MA of adjustment available in that scope. I know I could get away with allot less scope and rail but for 300 yds but I had the scope and got adeal on the rail.so..... (The SE is also bright enough for me to see my misses at 20X at 300.)
My bet is that I could go to 400 yds with this rig if I was good/foolish enough to try :)
 
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