I have one I purchased form someone on RFC. Cant remember Who. Its great especially if you use some type of press. If you tap it with a soft mallet instead of a press, the flat points are pretty consistent but the hollow points tend to be a bit more deformed. I have found no change in trajectory or accuracy when I flat pointed some federal automatach and used them in My CZ 452 trainer. Its an improvement on the Hanned Line SGB tool I have. It requires a file to flatten the point.

 

I have one I purchased form someone on RFC. Cant remember Who.

There used to be a member here - D Rock - from Cedar Rapids, Iowa. Haven't seen him around for about a year.

 

That's good to hear. I don't have a press but if this new version doesn't form hollowpoints without it I will try and find one. I've been interested in the flat nose as well. I recently took a file to some round nose bullets I had on hand and found it very difficult to get them consistently flat. The most consistent ones I shot and they grouped terribly.

 

I use the neal waltz die in a simple lee handloader press.
Works slicker than snot.

 

Thats an interesting tool, wish it were a bit cheaper.
I've filed some rounds by hand in the past, but this would or should be an improvement.

There is a video titled "Asymmetric and unbalanced bullets" where someone filed all sorts of shapes into 22lr rounds and filmed their flight...pretty interesting.

 

Has anyone done any expansion testing of flat nose bullets? I made up some using a Waltz die and CCI SV solids. I shot one into some water filled milk jugs and it penetrated the six I had lined up. CCI SV's that I have hollow pointed stop in the third jug and mushroom very well as well as being very accurate, 1/2" or less at 50 yards from my Contender G2.

 

I have done a few expansion test on flat nose vrs Hp Bullits.
Here is a over ripe cucumber.

Flat noise bullets don't need to go threw any structure, to they hit hard on impact.
But flat noise bullets do expand on there way threw structure.
I have found that flat noise bullets buck the wind better then solid point & Hp
bullets.
This just my observation since I started making flat noise bullets for hunting for
the last 15 years.

Midwest Swiss

 

+1 on the Waltz die set; earlier this fall I made some /very aggressive/ HP's with mine (CCI SV & Federal Automatch) - 0.180" depth IIRC - and the reformed bullets looked extremely uniform and concentric. They still shot the same group sizes at up to 50 yds.

I showed the Waltz die to a professional machinist friend and he concurred that it was high precision and of excellent workmanship. IMO it is undervalued at $145 shipped; for the time spent on its machining, I don't think it's a big money item for NW & wouldn't be surprised if the excellent design disappeared entirely if he retires from their production. Or if they were continued by another owner, the price should increase substantially IMO.

 

I have the Waltz die, and it is a high quality die, works as advertised. After experimenting with the HP die and a few match quality cartridges, I'm not sure it is a better option than the Eley factory sub-sonic HP. I have gotten a bit better accuracy with certain match ammo over the Eley SSHP, but not by much. Either one yields consistent squirrel head shot accuracy at 50 yards. Kind of reminds me of the old saying, the perfect solution to a non-existent problem. But, it's fun to play with.

 

It appears from your pics the flat nose bullets create a hollow point sized hole upon both entry and exit having substantially greater transfer of energy on impact in relation to the hollow point. Thanks for the pictures Midwest Swiss.

 

It looks like the higher velocity of the SGB bullets might make a big difference for a flat nosed pellet over the standard velocity ammo. I will try and do some more testing next week using some high velocity ammo to compare with the SV.

 

The Waltz tool is worth every penny! I made tons of HP's back in the "can't find any days" So easy to use.

 

Should of spent the extra dough

 

Sorry, am confused at this; I re-read this thread to make sure, there are no posts here about anybody purchasing the less expensive options ?

 

I received the hollowpoint tool in the mail last week and have to say I'm impressed. The tool is machined very well and makes two different size hollow points and a flat point. They all shoot same POI as the round nose ammo in my CZ.

This past weekend I decided to hunt with the flat points and on headshots the squirrels eyes pop out. Body shots seem to hit with the same force as a standard hollow point but doesn't damage as much meat.

Both hollow points are larger than a standard hollowpoint in a mini mag but the "wedge" hollow point is the largest I've seen. I will put the "wedge" to the test on my next hunt.

I use a small craft hammer and it works great. The only complaint I have with the tool is removal. I've found the best way for me to remove the round is to use a paint can opener tool. It slides into the recessed area perfectly and you can remove the round with minimal effort.

 

old memories

When I was about ten years old I found that a hedge apple shot with a rn long rifle just oozed the milk out, but when i ground the points flat on the sidewalk or a concrete block, the apples were blown to bits. Pretty scientific, I know!

 

Any updates????

I just ordered one the newly designed Lil Grizzly flat nose hollow point tool maker. Was wondering if anyone else had any stories about use?

Mine doesnt come in til Dec 18th so I figured now would be the time to do a little more investigation on it.

The idea seems sound especially with the flat nose HP design. The new bits it comes with produces a HUGE hp

https://www.ebay.com/itm/X-MAS-SALE...X-MAS-SALE-NEW-Redesigned-Li-039-l-Gizzy-22-LR-HP-tool-maker-die-/182950926022?

I was also more interested in the designer's claims to be with making the bullet more uniform in diameter when ran through the die. Almost like a bullet sizing die.

 

This is the first time I have ever seen such a thing. Is HP ammo really that hard to find? I do not remember ever having a problem finding any.
Or is this a way to turn higher quality target or match ammo into hollow points to be able to use them for hunting? I could probably see that as a reason, as most HP ammo I see is bulk and not always the most accurate. Other than that, I do not really see the benefit to doing this.
Was this born when the great 22lr ammo shortage was taking place?

 

Not that you cant find ammo in HP but that , yes, its claim is to make the bullet head more uniform while making various different types of hollow points or the WFN which to my knowledge isnt made.

 

i ordered both poco kelly and lil gizzy they work good on garden variety ammo. it is a newer version, no problems, i use a ole drill press with no motor with lil gizzy.. good results..:t

 

I just read that the Li'l Gizzy is on sale on the Bay for $75.00, plus shipping ($7.15) only until Christmas. This is their new "One Piece" model as opposed to the older model with two separate pieces that you had to stack. I think this new design should produce more precise results. Just thought I'd give you all a heads up.

 

yes one piece works fine, thats the new version.. its nicely made.:t

 

Update and initial testing

I received the new tool in from Lil Gizzy. On initial inspection it is definitely well made.

It comes with a bullet jig to hold the 22 and (3) three bits for the different forming; WFN, Small HP and Large HP.

I already had a drill press so I just mounted then bit in that and went to work.

In the above picture is the WFN bit. I made up a few of those to give a try in mt Savage MKII SVFR; they were a no go on feeding from the magazine. I will probably use these in my Ruger Single 10 revolver for small game

The above is reformed CCI Blazer

The bullets came out uniform. In the picture it was before I wiped off the wax that the bullet was coated in. After that is done the bullet is very uniform with clean lines.

Just as an FYI you are going to need a small screwdriver and needle nose pliers to pull the bullets out after you reform. Fit is tight so you will need to use a little fineness to remove the new formed bullets.

Next I tried the more aggressive HP

These also formed really well and on initial trials indoors at 13 yards poi did not change using CCI quiets.

I will be testing outside once I get to the range to see if there is any increase/decrease in accuracy.

To Be Continured

 

There is a member here, Komatadjie?, who makes a tool for flat nosing 22lr. It works great, very quick, simple. I don't know if he is still making them, I have had mine for a long time. The DRock tool is great also if you can find one.

 

Hey, thanks for posting this. I also purchased one of these from Komatadjie ( I think that was his handle). You simply insert a .22LR round into the tool and only a small tip of the bullet protrudes from the opposite end. You simply use a knife or razor blade to trim off the end and make the round into a flat point. I use one of those window glass scrapers that uses a single edge razor blade and you can retract the blade. It works the best for me anyway. When you trim off the end of the bullet, it only takes off about 3 grs. of bullet weight. You could also use a small file. What is also nice about the tool, is that it's so small, you put it into your pocket and take it to the range of field with you. That flat/meplat bullet really devastates critters. Best to make head shots on small game. You can actually here it smack. Lastly, accuracy is not effected as far as I could determine. Great little tool.

 

Winchester 333’s have a flat nose HP and also seem to hit hard and are accurate out of my gun, however some guns may have feeding issues if their ramps have a edge to catch on.

 

Same possible feed issues as with the Remington Vipers.

 

Yeah, but I'm seeing, at least early on is that the flat points don't seem to work. I have been running a hollow-point but I've been actually setting a depth gauge using a penny. It creates a mild hollow point but still gives reliable feeding.

My testing is still in its infancy being that I really haven't sat down and tried and it at any sort of real distance to see if the accuracy is still relatively good for hunting application though. So far only 13 yards indoors and that is one hole groups which isn't saying much.

My single 10 Ruger revolver is definitely going to get to put to good use. That is probably where I'm going to use the flat Point application.

I used to have one of the tools many years ago that was a jig, that you just ground off the tip of a round nose bullet. I never like that because it changes the weight of the bullet and I saw that it was a little bit inconsistent.

With this tool and at least keeps the bullet the same grain weight just changing the profile

 

Please keep us posted on results. I just ordered one on Ebay for $75.

 

I ordered the Lil Gizzy on Ebay an hour and 7 minutes before the sale ended. 30 min before ending the seller dropped the price to $60. Oh well. I am reading that you guys are shimming to reduce the effect of the various punches. I plan on using a drill press that has an adjustable table and an adjustable ram but the shim would probably be better as the next time you would not have to experiment.

 

I just went with coins because it was around and I figure I can always get one if needed.....

 

I don't won a press or drill press, so I used a "C" clamp and it works OK, but not as fast probably as a press though. I am going to look for a small assortment of washers of various thickness for the flat point tool to see what will work best. I'd like to match the point width with the CCI Small Game Bullet (SGB) or the Remington Viper.

 

I think a drill press with an adjustable depth ram would be ideal with either of the three Gizzy tools to customize ammo to your particular liking.