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Ithaca M49 Saddlegun

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#1 · (Edited)
I bought one of these little rifles recently mainly due to the low price and excellent condition. This little rifle is either unfired, or was fired very little over the past 40 years. Not sure what year it was made, but it has to be prior to '68 since it is without a serial number.

It's a stout little single shot rifle that has a falling block action and a unique ejector system that seems to work quite well. Walnut buttstock and forearm are near perfect without dents and only a couple of minor scuffmarks. Metal(?) is also in great condition. This rifle fits my ten year old son perfectly and I think will be a great beginner's rifle.

I found this rifle in my blue-book, but does anyone know any history on these?

azimuth
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#2 ·
That looks a whole lot better than mine. Mine was well worn with the chamber peaned the firing pin broken in half and the pin spring missing. It still fired every time just didn't eject well. Haven't shot it for groups but within about 40 yds it shoots minute of popcan with anything I put in it. Since there is no serial number it's hard to tell exactly what year. Is the rear sight a square notch or a v? If its square it's from 1962-1964 if I remember correctly. Later on they changed the barrel band sight assembly and barrel length.
 
#32 ·
You can buy a .22 chamber swage for about $25. from Brownells or Midway (Got mine from Midway) that will remove the burr from your chamber mouth.
Increadably easy. It is made so that it works on all types of actions. Either from muzzle end (using a cleaning rod), or from breech (using the supplied handle for bolt actions.)
If you like tinkering on old .22's, it's well worth the investment.
 
#4 ·
Mdl 49

I have one that I found standing in the corner of a closet in a house my mother owned. Apparently it belonged to my stepfather and I had no knowledge of the rifle until I found it. It had been neglected, but cleaned up very well and I use it to shoot pests around the house. It functions very well and is accurate. It has a square rear sight and a serial number that begains 490. Great rifle for a young shooter to learn on. :D
 
#5 ·
Did a search for "Ithaca 49" on the web and came across this 1963 Boy Scout ad for an Ithaca Model 49 Saddlegun priced at $21.95. The text is much too small for me to read, but it appears the 49 in the large pic shows a reciever sight mounted and the smaller insert shows a model with a scope. Although $21.95 may not have been pocket change back then, times sure seemed a lot simpler.

azimuth
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#6 · (Edited)
I know quite

a bit about these rifles so now I have to type a lot to help you.:) Really, I want to. Okay, this is a summary about these rifles. I may be a bit off on some facts but not much. Not to brag, it is just that they are one of my favorite models.

The Ithaca Co. started selling this rifle in very late 1961. It was obviously aimed at the boy's and girls market. Single shot, very safe, have to cock the hammer to shoot. They sold for about $20 originally. They were made to look like the Model 94 Winchester to capitalize on the big appeal of cowboys, etc. back in those days. The tube under barrel is a phoney magazine for looks. They were made until about 1978 I think. There were a lot of them made but a gun show dealer told me they still sell really well when one shows up. The receiver frame is made of anodized aluminum, it is NOT blued steel. Not many years after they came out the wood was switched from walnut to grey elm. Also, at some point in time, the butt stock and sometimes forearm had pressed checkering. Also, almost from the beginning there was a deluxe model with figured walnut stock, better finish, gold plated trigger and hammer with sling and swivels installed. There was also a presentation model that had really nice walnut and a personalized engraving by the company engraver at buyer's request.

Eventually, the original model that had the phoney magazine tube fastened by a barrel band that also had the front sight was changed to a different version with the magazine tube dovetailed to the bottom of the barrel and the barrel was a bit longer than the mag tube.

At some point they made 22 magnum models of this gun. Quickly it was realized that some way must be made to quickly identify the two different calibres so Ithaca started using a white butt stock spacer between the butt plate and stock. This quickly identifies as a 22 magnum.

As said, they stopped making them in about 1978. However, for a brief time at some point Ithaca made a Model 49R which was a lever repeater. This, I believe was a very cheaply made gun and only made for about 3 years. It was replaced by the Ithaca Model 72 repeater which had the gun itself, perhaps not the wood, made by Erma Werke in Germany. This was a good gun I think.

Now, Ithaca made a model for Sears of their 49 that is identical to the 49 except the phony magazine tube was left off. I forget what model it is called but I think it had the Ted Williams Sears brand on the barrel.

In the late 1970s I believe Stevens started making a 22 that is about the exact twin of the 49 with very slight differences. It is the Stevens Model 89 and was made for about 7 years I believe. Same type frame/receiver with anodized aluminum alloy and their wood was simply inexpensive hard wood with a cheap looking finish. I have one and have refinished the stock. I also own an exact clone fo the Stevens 89 made for Western Auto with their brand name Revelation on the barrel. However, the roll stamp also shows that gun is made by Savage/Stevens.

These little guns are rugged and yours should give your son and you loads of enjoyment. Hours and hours and thousands of rounds of shooting.

I envy you finding such a nice one with walnut stock. I have a very nice Ithaca 49 I bought a few months ago (I had a 20 year lapse in guns so getting back in at age 63) but most of the ones you see that are nice have the grey elm wood and I want a gorgeous walnut like you found.

Around here in Iowa and on the internet it seems that a rough model of these runs about $100 but a nice one will be $150-165 at a shop or gunshow.

About the anodized aluminum....the black coating will eventually start to rub off some with use. This will not hurt the gun and it will NOT rust (The steel parts will of course). There are touch up products for aluminum gun receivers and I think Brownells sells something even more sophisticated that you put on after warming the metal up to over 100 degrees. But the nice one you have certainly needs nothing like that.

About better sights...there is an old Ithaca 49 ad that shows a boy scout shooting that gun with a receiver peep sight (See entry above)on so the implication is that a receiver sight could be mounted. I am thinking about checking into this eventually. Also, there is an article in a 1970s Gun Digest about shooting 22s and the author wanted a scope on his 49. He said gunsmiths were hesitant to drill into the aluminum receiver but somehow this author did cobble together some spit and bailing wire mounting and had a small scope on his 49 for squirrel hunting.

My nephew, who is a much better shot than me, was shooting at a hundred yards I think with mine a few months ago and was getting within about 4 inches of center of bulls eye repeatedly with these old, open iron sights.

I hope this helps. Darn, I would love to find a pristine 49 with walnut furniture.

Also, the action is technically a Martini action with a rebounding hammer. And, of course, later models, after about 1968 had serial numbers. The standard reference on Ithaca guns, I forget the title, tells about this neat little rifle.

One more addition: I forgot to mention that this could also be obtained in a "boy's model" with a shortened butt stock.

LATE ENTRY of 9-26-06...With reference to the Stevens 89 I just found an article in American Rifleman of Sept 1976 that old about the "new" Stevens 89. In a detailed review explanation about that gun it stated that the receiver/frame is made of "cast zinc alloy with epoxy coating." Now I do not know if this indicates what alloy the Ithaca 49 frame is made of but we now know about this model.
 
#7 ·
ithacabuff you seam to have a good handle on the 49. I also like the ithaca guns.I watch for them all the time. In the last few days Gun broker had a person selling his collection 49s,49r,72,66,37,one of the 72s was engraved. I wanted the other 72 it went for $156. I called ithaca the other day and they told me the 37 in 20-16 were to be back next year.and a 410 to follow. I asked about 22s and they had plans but nothing on the line.
 
#8 ·
Ithacabuff,
Wow, I'm impressed! I agree with danielgrd...you do seem to know your Ithaca 22's. It's good to know about the white spacer on the magnums, as I intend to keep an eye out for one in the future. I really do appreciate you taking the time to share that much information.

If I run across a good deal on an early walnut '49, I'll pm you (unless it's a magnum:D ).

thanks,
azimuth
 
#10 ·
Thanks for the kudos

to all of you and, just to finish this a bit for me I will tell why I seem to know so much. It partly has to do with me being compulsive but that is getting ahead. This goes back to about 1981. I had been going through a divorce and was living alone in Eastern Iowa. I went to a gun show one Saturday and saw at a table this absolutely gorgeous condition little lever action rifle that was an Ithaca Single-Shot. I did not know loads about guns but the name Ithaca always meant shotguns to me. Well, this was 1981. The dealer had $50 dollars on it and said he would take $45. I bought it. It was pristine with really bright looking blonde wood. I never shot it much but I loved the beauty and condition. I liked the way it carried in my hands and I squirrel hunted with it a couple of years. Fast forward to 1984. I met a woman and feel in love, she is now my wife. I never did much after that with my 4-5 22 rifles so I sold them about 1986. Fast forward again to 2006. I realized how much I loved guns and got back into them. I felt I think that I had to make up for lost time. I kept thinking about that little 49 and how much I regretted selling it. Well, about the 2nd gun show I went to I found a rough one with walnut wood and bought it for $82. Not long later I realized I had been hasty...I like nice condition guns. So, I traded it in on the Revelation model mentioned above. Then I did find a very nice 49 in blonde wood and bought it for $150. I then found the Stevens 89, a twin of the Revelation and bought it off Auction Arms. I started searching the internet and my old Gun Digests for information on the 49 and the others like it. I found a gunsmith in the East who specializes in repairing Ithaca firearms. He worked for Ithaca for 28 years and told me that the blonde wood is grey elm. So, now I feel like I want a copy of the Sears clone of the 49 and perhaps a pristine walnut wood one and just maybe, a magnum one. So, that is my story. Thanks for your appreciation. This is all very fun, is it not!!:)
 
#12 ·
Got some pictures of...

my M49 together. I have yet to shoot this little rifle. I'm thinking a brick of ammo is going to last a long, long time when I do get a chance to get out and shoot it. It'll just make me savor each shot all the more :)

I'm on the lookout for a schematic of this model and would appreciate any help offered.

Here's a few pics...

thanks,
azimuth
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#30 ·
my M49 together. I have yet to shoot this little rifle. I'm thinking a brick of ammo is going to last a long, long time when I do get a chance to get out and shoot it. It'll just make me savor each shot all the more :)

I'm on the lookout for a schematic of this model and would appreciate any help offered.

Here's a few pics...

thanks,
azimuth
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My good Friend had one of these rifles. I have a lot of good
memories hunting with him.
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Midwest Swiss
 
#15 ·
To the last three entries

Azimuth, get a schematic off the web site for Numrich gun parts. It will be free I think. Spraynbuckshot, you can't move that front sight but I think you could find something to replace the rear sight that goes in the dovetail. Check with a gunsmith, or Brownells or Midway. And last but not least **** straight buy one of these for $50. Even if it is rough it will shoot and I see sets of stocks for these on ebay for like $40 so the individual parts might be worth that. I bet Numrich would buy from you for a profit perhaps. I don't know. If it shoots get it for $50.
 
#17 ·
I got mine it 1966 for my 8th birthday. A friend of my fathers bought it for his son but before he gave it to him his son lost an eye to a BB gun accident. The wife freaks & says no more guns for the kids. My father bought it unfired for $15. I still have it & shoot it. $15 doesnt sound like much but he made $2.10 an hour as a roughneck in the oilfield so it was a full days pay for a hard days work.
 
#18 ·
Yes, we have to

think about what wages were in those days, not just that things were less expensive. I am 63 and remember when a bottle of soda pop was 5 cents until about 1952 or so, but guys making $100 bucks a week in the mid 1950s at the Maytag plant were making big money. I started working on a truck dock in Portland Oregon as teamster unloading trucks in March 1969 and was making top wages of $3.78 an hour. So, yes, your daddy gave a lot of sweat for that little gun. You know, I think the gun magazine ads from late 1961 said the suggested retail price when the 49 came out was 19.95.
 
#19 ·
Me and my boys love to shoot the one my dad gave me. He had it in his closet for years and was in disrepair, no sights no forend stock. but after a little effort it's was just what I needed, a nice gun everyone in the family likes to shoot. we've put thousands of rounds through it. We pop off cans all day long at 50 yards open sights. azimuth you got a very nice one.
 
#21 ·
A great little gun!

That little Ithica was my very first gun. I got it for Christmas in 1965, I was in 6th grade. At the time I shot my BB gun a lot and my dad thought that he could get some BB caps and I might be able to shoot it in the garage, thinking that the BB caps would be only a bit more powerful than BBs:confused: . Well....we tried it out and the lead ball in those BB caps would easily penetrate a 3/4 inch sheet of plywood:eek: ! That put a stop to shooting the gun in the garage. It was very loud to shoot it in there also (no ear protection back then)! I would hound my dad to take me shooting (we lived in a city and had to drive out a bit) and occasionally we would go out and plink at cans and bottles:whistle: (ok...I don't do the bottles anymore:shakehead ) with it. That gun is now my oldest son's:) .
 
#23 ·
I have a 49 that was made before '68 and has a serial number. It was in a bunch of guns that were stolen. When they were recovered the serial numbers (of the ones that had serial numbers) had been ground off. The owner was able to have serial numbers issued by ATF and they were sent to my shop by the Sheriff's Office for the new serial numbers to be stamped. After they were reserialized and inspected by ATF the owner came and picked them up. He decided he didn't want two of the cheaper ones and put them on consignment. I grabbed the 49 and use it as a utility gun. Its in pretty decent shape, a few nicks and scratches, and it shoots pretty well.