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Arms-maker's factory in Little Rock delayed again | Arkansas Democrat Gazette
A Czech firearms company's acquisition of American gun manufacturer Colt will delay construction of its proposed North American headquarters and factory at the Port of Little Rock by an additional three to five years, a company spokesman said Monday.
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A Czech firearms company's acquisition of American gun manufacturer Colt will delay construction of its proposed North American headquarters and factory at the Port of Little Rock by an additional three to five years, a company spokesman said Monday.
Interesting comments:
I started loosing interest in CZ centerfire offerings when the 550 models were discontinued and that took another step downward when the 527 models were withdrawn. I am pleased with the 527 & 550 models I currently have in my possession and have all the calibers covered that I need for any hunting and target shooting. But if something was required, I would look at Bergara, Tikka, one of several others available today, and there is always the previously owned market. So no interest in the 600 line.
I didn’t see any announcements about CZ closing or backing out of the Arkansas deal or moving that function to Hartford, Connecticut ( Colts Facility ) which might have some short term financial benefit, but east coast firearms culture seems to be driving that in the opposite direction.
We will see how this all works out.
I started loosing interest in CZ centerfire offerings when the 550 models were discontinued and that took another step downward when the 527 models were withdrawn. I am pleased with the 527 & 550 models I currently have in my possession and have all the calibers covered that I need for any hunting and target shooting. But if something was required, I would look at Bergara, Tikka, one of several others available today, and there is always the previously owned market. So no interest in the 600 line.
I didn’t see any announcements about CZ closing or backing out of the Arkansas deal or moving that function to Hartford, Connecticut ( Colts Facility ) which might have some short term financial benefit, but east coast firearms culture seems to be driving that in the opposite direction.
We will see how this all works out.
I haven't watched the video but believe they are in trouble. I've been reading about quite a few of there guns being discontinued for 2023, including the 457's to some degree. 
If they're in trouble why would they be blowing multimillions on Colt? Of course there's a lot of things that make no sense these days.
The last thing the market needed was another IKEA rifle. CZ was pretty much all I have been interested in purchasing new in the last fifteen years. I did buy a Howa mini though, and it’s straight push feed so will never handle rimmed cases. I rebarreled it to 20P and put it in an AT-One and may do more in the future. I really like it now.
That is a fabulous looking 550 FS. I'm sure the person that ended up with it is very happy. Just this week I came across a previously owned 550 FS in 308 which I picked it up and looked at it three different times but left it in the rack as I have a pair of older Remingtons - one a target rifle in a Bell & Carlson Medalist stock and the other is a 673 Guide Rifle that shoots sub-MOA as well. Trust me if it would have had a stock like the one pictured . . . I would have taken it home with me just for grins. It obviously falls into that "previously owned market" I mentioned in my previous response and even in its current state is far better than anything the 600 has to offer.
Just this week I came across a previously owned 550 FS in 308 which I picked it up and looked at it three different times but left it in the rack as I have a pair of older Remingtons - one a target rifle in a Bell & Carlson Medalist stock and the other is a 673 Guide Rifle that shoots sub-MOA as well. Trust me if it would have had a stock like the one pictured . . . I would have taken it home with me just for grins. It obviously falls into that "previously owned market" I mentioned in my previous response and even in its current state is far better than anything the 600 has to offer. 
Just as soon as I discovered the 527 it was discontinued. I have no interest in the 600 series.
If find a 527MTR in .223 I will snatch it up as that’s what I want.
If find a 527MTR in .223 I will snatch it up as that’s what I want.
As soon as i found out that they discontinued the 527`s, that sealed the door shut for me.
I had checked out the CZ600 in the local gun shop, it was an instant NOPE! Not even remotely interested in it.
So many other better choices out there today in center fire rifles.
I had checked out the CZ600 in the local gun shop, it was an instant NOPE! Not even remotely interested in it.
So many other better choices out there today in center fire rifles.
While I'd like to see how it shoots without a can on it, the 600 isn't anything I'd be remotely interested in purchasing. If I'm ever in the market for a fugly, plastic, marginally performing bolt action rifle in .223, though, I'll keep it in mind. Otherwise, that thing is a rip-off at $1100+ MSRP.
The thing to remember about CZ is that it's two completely separate entities. CZ-UB (Uhersky Brod) is the mothership in the Czech Republic and if past history is any indication, they couldn't care less about the North American market. Their priority has been and always will be their (mostly) European military and law enforcement customers. The civilian market remains a distant second on their list of priorities and their North American market has never been much more than a glorified after-thought. That may partially explain why CZ-UB handed over operation of CZ-USA to Colt.
The thing to remember about CZ is that it's two completely separate entities. CZ-UB (Uhersky Brod) is the mothership in the Czech Republic and if past history is any indication, they couldn't care less about the North American market. Their priority has been and always will be their (mostly) European military and law enforcement customers. The civilian market remains a distant second on their list of priorities and their North American market has never been much more than a glorified after-thought. That may partially explain why CZ-UB handed over operation of CZ-USA to Colt.
My interest in CZ bolt-action rimfire rifles died when they discontinued the 452 series. Then my interest in CZ bolt-action centerfire rifles died when they discontinued the 527 series. The last CZ rifle I purchased was a CZ 512 in .22LR and I believe that rifle is now discontinued.
Like others have stated above, I have no interest in the 600 series. I believe (but have no proof whatsoever) that the traditional firearms were discontinued to reduce manufacturing costs, not to introduce firearms superior to those discontinued.
Maybe being an old geezer makes me resistant to plastic and matte finish rifles as opposed to walnut and blued steel rifles. I doubt that one old geezer's opinion in rural South Carolina will influence any decisions made in the Czech Republic but, if CZ were to reintroduce traditional 452 rifles and 527 rifles as "Classics" (think Classic Coke), it would be a joyous occasion.
Like others have stated above, I have no interest in the 600 series. I believe (but have no proof whatsoever) that the traditional firearms were discontinued to reduce manufacturing costs, not to introduce firearms superior to those discontinued.
Maybe being an old geezer makes me resistant to plastic and matte finish rifles as opposed to walnut and blued steel rifles. I doubt that one old geezer's opinion in rural South Carolina will influence any decisions made in the Czech Republic but, if CZ were to reintroduce traditional 452 rifles and 527 rifles as "Classics" (think Classic Coke), it would be a joyous occasion.
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I have a few (very few) plastic stocked/matte finished rifles (a couple of Ruger American Ranch carbines) but they were bought for rough conditions so that I won't beat a CZ527 carbine to death looking for a feral hog in the woods. They were bought for a specific purpose, not because I prefer them over blue steel/walnut stocks.
That said, I doubt I will ever have need to buy another plastic gun. Certainly not a CZ600 rifle.
I have a few (very few) plastic stocked/matte finished rifles (a couple of Ruger American Ranch carbines) but they were bought for rough conditions so that I won't beat a CZ527 carbine to death looking for a feral hog in the woods. They were bought for a specific purpose, not because I prefer them over blue steel/walnut stocks.
That said, I doubt I will ever have need to buy another plastic gun. Certainly not a CZ600 rifle.
CZ is floundering. It has abandoned sporting rifles; focus is on pistols and military stuff. should a military gun be refocused to a semi-sporting market they might offer it.
I'm the same as most of the others in this post. I only look to buy used CZs that were made with quality.
Re Colt purchase. remember these dudes also bought Dan Wesson company.
I'm the same as most of the others in this post. I only look to buy used CZs that were made with quality.
Re Colt purchase. remember these dudes also bought Dan Wesson company.
" There are guys here collecting Ruger Wranglers one in each COLOR !! "
Surely.., SURELY, this crosses a line..!
(where are the moderators when you need them..?)
Surely.., SURELY, this crosses a line..!
(where are the moderators when you need them..?)
I have to say. There is NOTHING Colt produces today that impresses me at all. It's a has been company resting on it's laurels IMHO.
I seriously doubt CZ is in any real trouble--all you have to do is go to their main site and you can see they remain a major player in the world-wide arms industry. CZ-USA is a different story, go to their website(s) and it's a mixed bag of kludgey interfaces none of which seem to work reliably. I've seen this before with other importers--who may be nothing more than a couple of guys in a small office who really do nothing more than seal up import rights and take a slice of the pie. A sure sign is little if anything in stock.
I would imagine the market for CZ bolt action rimfire and center fire rifles is much larger outside of Europe than inside Europe. Yes, many European hunters desire change barrel and straight pull action rifles, but many still prefer traditional bolt guns, with wood and blued steel. As a long term admirer of BRNO and CZ firearms, I think CZ is abandoning much of their customer base by racing towards the the latest feature fad, and latest cost cutting fad. The market is already awash with low end, plastic utilitarian rifles. Granted, many of these perform very well. When I started out years ago I just wanted something that worked. Now I’m only interested in something I find pleasure in owning, even if I don’t use it a lot. I was looking for a 527 when they discontinued the line. Glad I don’t “need” it. Like others, I’m not interested in the 600 series at all. I wrote to CZ USA when I heard about the change over, and expressed my concerns. I was told, don’t worry the new CZs will be better….. I’m more than disappointed.
I think we gave CZ more credit than they deserved. In the early years is seems to me the Check Republick and CZ was cash strapped. Former communist basket case. CZ exported these 50 year old designs, with a good old school finish and quality for peanuts! We though they were some mix of marketing genius and gods of manufacturing. No, they were desperate and lucky to have a good product and some old workers. More dumb luck than anything else.
Fast forward, given the oportunity to design new products and export them from a prosperous home economy, they flounder. Someone said the importer was 3 guys in a room. I wonder what they have for engineering staff, two guys in a room. Does the CEO shoot? it is sure no Bill Ruger running that place.
Fast forward, given the oportunity to design new products and export them from a prosperous home economy, they flounder. Someone said the importer was 3 guys in a room. I wonder what they have for engineering staff, two guys in a room. Does the CEO shoot? it is sure no Bill Ruger running that place.
Does anyone have any factual info on this topic because so far all I'm seeing is supposition, innuendo, and WAGS.
There is nothing searching business news to suggest that they are having any sort of difficulties that I can see.
Frank
There is nothing searching business news to suggest that they are having any sort of difficulties that I can see.
Frank
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Scanning all the tabs on the site and Press Releases,it would appear that CZ owns Colt by acquiring 100% of shares, but i'm not so sure how it will play out. Board of Directors replacements will tell the story
Scanning all the tabs on the site and Press Releases,it would appear that CZ owns Colt by acquiring 100% of shares, but i'm not so sure how it will play out. Board of Directors replacements will tell the story
OK, if a long list of discontinued models was evidence of insolvency Browning and Ruger would be history.
If something bad is going on with CZ-USA that would indeed be of interest. Please feel free to post that in the form of verifiable public information.
Otherwise this thread is verging on vendor bashing which as a reminder to all is against our rules.
"3. Disagreements with a vendor/manufacturer/seller. We do not allow any public airing of disputes with a vendor or a manufacturer. If you have an issue with someone, take it up directly with them. Do not bash anyone here."
Frank
If something bad is going on with CZ-USA that would indeed be of interest. Please feel free to post that in the form of verifiable public information.
Otherwise this thread is verging on vendor bashing which as a reminder to all is against our rules.
"3. Disagreements with a vendor/manufacturer/seller. We do not allow any public airing of disputes with a vendor or a manufacturer. If you have an issue with someone, take it up directly with them. Do not bash anyone here."
Frank
Frank -
My posts did not concern the financial solvency of either CZ-UB or CZ-USA, rather, I was lamenting the discontinuance of CZ firearms which I valued and were apparently valued by some others as well. I don't have a clue if CZ's ledger books show black or red ink, I simply miss the old blue steel/walnut firearms. I think that many of the comments in this thread echo that sentiment.
Not trying to be disruptive here, Sir. Maybe I missed the sentiment of the thread.
Respectfully - James
My posts did not concern the financial solvency of either CZ-UB or CZ-USA, rather, I was lamenting the discontinuance of CZ firearms which I valued and were apparently valued by some others as well. I don't have a clue if CZ's ledger books show black or red ink, I simply miss the old blue steel/walnut firearms. I think that many of the comments in this thread echo that sentiment.
Not trying to be disruptive here, Sir. Maybe I missed the sentiment of the thread.
Respectfully - James
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