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dual fireing pins?

5.7K views 10 replies 11 participants last post by  ultramag44  
#1 ·
this is a random question but i am the kinda person that once i have somthing in my head i need to know so ill ask it here.

so rimfire is obviously struck on the rim for ignition and a centure fire is in the centure.

my question is would their be any benifit to (or has anyone done it) to haveing a bolt that deploys a two pin fireing pin to strike the rim on oposite sides to give even ignition threw out the case?

kinda a long shot but what do you think?

on a side note. what about how the CZ firing pin is located on the top. due to gravity and if some cases are not filled to capacity would the primer not be incontact with the powder all of the time. causing room for inconsistancy? would it be benifical to have a fireing pin on thew bottom.

just a thought so i dunno:bthumb:
 
#2 · (Edited)
Dual firing pin systems are out there, but they aren't common. I believe first (or some of the first) were in early Springfield 1922 rifles (and I stand corrected!), then Art Cook brought them back when he designed his Time Precision rimfire action. Now there's a few more in the rimfire benchrest scene but aside from the Time action they are a recent development. 6 o'clock oriented pins are being made in some rimfire benchrest-oriented actions too.

Here's a thread on another site with photos of some dual-pin setups.

http://www.rimfireaccuracy.com/Forums/showthread.php/3160-The-greatest-form-of-flattery

I have never shot a dual-pin rifle so I can't speak for them, but it sounds like the jury is still out on 'em.
 
#11 ·
The 6 oclock position is the optiminal for accuracy. Read Bill Calfee's book for the full story.

So, why don't all rifles have it? The issue is it's way simpler (and cheaper) to put the striker on the top of a 22 bolt (where it's round, with more steel) then in the bottom of a bolt.
 
#8 ·
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vetterli_rifle

If I recall it is actually a wide plate with 2 protrusions through the bolt, but same concept. Pupular rifle, but as you can't really reload it, many convert it to a centerfire setup and modify the cases.

As for today's rifles, sure it is possible to engineer such a setup, and I am sure it would function. But would it offer any advantages? I suppose if the 2 pins ignited the primer at the same time, you would get a slightly faster ignition (instead of the charge starting on one side of the rim then encircling it while igniting the powder, you would ignite the primer simultaneously on both sides, thus 1/2 the time until it completely encircled the rim.) Would this add any efficiency or accuracy?
Most FTF issues are traced to damaged firing pins, weak striker springs, or faulty ammo, so ruling out ammo I think .22 ignition is at a level of reliability that the improvement due to dual firing pins may be offset by the additional points of failure in the dual firing pin system
Like twin engine planes, twice the probability for an engine failure.....

Shouldn't be hard to test accuracy and reliability improvements, if any in a controlled setting. Interesting idea.

JH