Well yes you can.....but can you drill them all dead center so the lead bullet will have a nice spin & no wobble when its on its way too the target ???

Midwest Swiss

 

Sure you can. But as Swiss said, will they be on center?

Plus all the fancy tools have a secondary benefit to them.

 

...Plus all the fancy tools have a secondary benefit to them.

I got that, in case you think everyone missed it. :bthumb:

 

Would seem easier to buy HP bullets, yes?

 

Unless they don't make them in the speed range you are looking for.

 

D Rock, you are correct. Looks like I will just have to save my pennies and give you a shout. Please PM me how much it is for the rimfire models. Thanks SS

 

D Rock, you are correct. Looks like I will just have to save my pennies and give you a shout. Please PM me how much it is for the rimfire models. Thanks SS

I only make a rimfire model. Click below where it says D Rock bullet modification system and most of your questions should be answered.

 

Any particular one you recommend for .22 shorts for game hunting. Thanks SS

 

The best way to make your own hollowpoints is to get Paco Kelly's Acu'rizer Tool. A tap of a hammer reforms the bullet nose to one of several hollowpoint shapes. I have never used one myself but I hear great things about it from many sources. Check it out...

http://www.leverguns.com/store/acurizer.htm

 

Making your own hollowpoints



7 of my shooting buddies and I tested Paco's Acu'Rzr and DRock tools over a 7 month period (Jan-July 2011) covering 20 different weapons and using only 5 brands of bulk ammo. Bulk was defined as $20 or less per brick. We shot in excess of 12,000 rounds during the tests. Most of the stuff was posted on RFC as we tested but I also have a summary.

Matching the driving bands to the weapon gave the best accuracy and within that protocol a flat metplat gave the best accuracy in every weapon tested.

I don't hunt much but my two oldest grandson's do and I have 86 acres and a lot of .22 sized critters. Making their own hollowpoints and sizing to fit the throat, regardles of which tool is used, resulted in dramatically explosive results on every thing they shot excepting Armadillo's. On squirrels and stuff that size if you did not hit em in the head you did not have a lot of meat for the pot and they simply blow up frogs. On frogs they went back to a flat metplat.

noremf(George)

 

Sounds like a good way to blow yourself up.

 

Kinda lost me on that



Lost me on the above.

noremf(George)

 

noremf(George)
Can you post a summary of the test results? I can not decide which one to buy and your results may be the deciding factor.

Sparks

 

Results of sizing/nose alteration



I would but the PDF files don't print worth a poop when posted on RFC. I sent you an email with my email address on it. Comes through great using that mode of communication.

noremf(George)

 

i usually take federal bulk (the ones with the false hollow point), and put them under a drill press with a 1/16 drill bit. i don't use a vice or a clamp, i just hold it, keeping the downward pressure slow and steady as to not dig the bit in and catch too much while also letting it pull off the excess lead, once it gets about deep enough to get past the nose, it starts spinning between my fingers, it doesn't bend the brass that way. when letting up on the press, the bit cuts off the burrs and i'm left with a decent hollow point (although I'd rather use D Rock's tool if i had one)

 

He also meant not to hit rimfire ammo with a hammer. I have d rocks tool. It works great, many point options and no hammer involved. If your in the market for a tool, do yourself a favor and look at d rocks. It really is top notch and in my opinion, the best out there.

 

Resizing tools



Had both, Paco and DRock, at the time of the testing we did. Neither will go off if'n you tap em with a hammer.

We took a single Paco's die, which we bought special for a safety test, and we put it in a pipe. Put a round in the die, stuck the pipe on a 3/8" steel swinger made out of armor plate with the round at the bottom, stuck a steel rod in the top of the pipe and dropped an anvil on the rod. Did not go off. Did the same thing to DRock's. Same results although we could hammer the DRock die out since it was made out of steel rather than brass.

Smashed the Paco die so bad we had to saw off that end of the pipe to save the rest cause the die was wedged in there and the .22 round was wedged into the die. Threw the piece of pipe with the die in it into some old motor oil and let it sit there or a couple of months.

Paco's tools are patented and I don't believe that even the Fed's would let it go through if the tool allowed it to be turned into a hand held firearm with a 3 in" barrel. (That description is a joke by the by but it is patented).

We spent a bunch of time preparing for the tests like from Oct 2010 to Jan 2011, and we made safety THE key. We even tried putting rounds with the bullets pulled and powder dumped and put the dies on a flat piece of "bumpy" steel and "smacked" em around and none of them went off cause a "bump" might have been "under" the rim.

We smashed up close to $200 of die's destroying them on safety checks.

We sized over 12,000 rounds for the test and I resize and reform all my bulk ammo that I use in my .22's since then which is probably around 4,000-6,000 rounds. Ditto for shooting buddies on bulk ammo.

I don't care which tool anyone uses and I don't work for either guy so I don't have a dog in that fight either. Our goal when we started the testing was to see if sizing/reforming bulk .22 rounds resulted in a more accurate round. IE: what the fuss was all about. A project for a bunch of "mature" shooters. Some of us, mature shooters that is, get kinda bored with stuff and decide to mess around with it, like targets, shooting games etc. and this project.

Also tried sawing off the noses and filing them down and drilling a hole in the nose. Made a special collet that allowed us to hold the driving bands tight and chunked the collet into a mini metal lathe to kinda automate the process. Lot more messy than either the Paco or the DRock. Never did try the Waltz one's though.

They are both quality tools and which one you use if you decide to use one is a personal preference. I don't care either way. DRock does not market his product(s) relative to enhancing accuracy but if your weapons like nice and round .2245 diameter driving bands you do get better accuracy whether or not he "talks" about em or not.

I communicated with both "Paco" who is an example of what cantankerous means, and DRock, who is really nice guy, throughout the testing and have sent them the results, along with all 5 ammo companies that gave us their testing info relative to "relubing" between brands etc.

For what they are designed to do they both do very well IMO and IME and I don't worry about safety on either.

noremf(George)

 

Prior to reading all the responses I got here, thanks guys, I thought hmmm warm drill bit igniting powder....nope quickly defused that thought. But thanks for the heads up anyway. I will just have to save up and get the proper tools. Some might think it is too much trouble but if I can have the optimum accuracy, and super quiet....it is very worth it to me. Thanks all,

SS

 

These were surprisingly accurate wo using a drill press for centering. Good audible smackdown.

 

Drilling a hole in a .22 bullet

"Al" my man, "you are a far far better man than I am Gunga Din . . . .".

I could not use a hand held Dremel to make a hole like that on my BEST day. Hades I can't even get a round hole in a piece of wood with a Dremel.

I am not being faceteous here either.

noremf(Georg)

 

There are certain people that you shouldn't emulate. Al is one of them.

 

Emulation



I know and being he is a Marine I know that if I am gonna communicate with him on stuff I have to send lots of pictures and try to stick to no words over 2 syllables but I still can't drill a decent hole with a hand held Dremel.

noremf(George)

 

Its ok Steve, we know you emulate...... in public.......its legal.

 

I've done it by hand on some Remington Targets. Drilled a hole all the way down to about the middle of the driving band then used a file to flatten out the nose just slightly to prevent any distortion on the hollowpoint.
Results are catastrophic just after the business end of the barrel. Pesky black birds don't have a chance when they land on my tomato plants. Now you see him and now you don't.

 

36gr federal's. Fragments into about 6 peaces + small bullet base on water filled cans, utterly devastating and only the base passes through a second can at 10m


2 original holes at top. 2mmx8mm on others

 

E. Arthur Brown (EABCO) used to carry a hollow-pointer tool. It was discontinued just as i was getting ready to order one, But, the info is they may start manufacturing them in-house. If so, I'll be first in line.

I have Komitadjie's Hanned-style tool, and think it is great...it'll be many thousands of rounds down the road when/if the file used to shorten the bullet's nose wears the die so it is too short to be usable.

Paco's tool was very nice, and provided no danger, if used per his very clear instructions. Results were inconclusive.

Of course, Winchester Subsonic HPs have a hollow-point like a well, and if it shoots well in your gun(s), eliminates the need for drilling.

BTW, I stand in AWE of anyone who can control a Dremel anywhere near what Al did.