Most CZ's will shoot most ammo better than the Savages and Rugers, etc. but there are always exceptions to the rule. If you can swing it, buy the CZ and check it out. If you don't like it and price it reasonably, you will find a buyer on this site. You'll never get great accuracy out of bulk ammo regardless of the rifle. IMHO

 

I’ve got a heavy barrel Savage with laminate stock, and its a little more accurate for me compared to my Model 69A Winchester when shooting Remington Golden Bullets, and Winchester SuperX, but both will shoot one hole groups with Eley Target and RWS Rifle Match. I would have probably bought a CZ, but I was on a budget, and Savage has never let me down for accuracy!

 

I’ve got a heavy barrel Savage with laminate stock, and its a little more accurate for me compared to my Model 69A Winchester when shooting Remington Golden Bullets, and Winchester SuperX, but both will shoot one hole groups with Eley Target and RWS Rifle Match. I would have probably bought a CZ, but I was on a budget, and Savage has never let me down for accuracy! View attachment 443500

I’ve got a heavy barrel Savage with laminate stock, and its a little more accurate for me compared to my Model 69A Winchester when shooting Remington Golden Bullets, and Winchester SuperX, but both will shoot one hole groups with Eley Target and RWS Rifle Match. I would have probably bought a CZ, but I was on a budget, and Savage has never let me down for accuracy! View attachment 443500

thanks for your input, a question on high end ammo,is it more consistent in speed or more accurate in another way.I’ve never shot any.I assume consistent is the accuracy

 

The Match ammo won’t have the flyers you see with Rem, Fed, and Winchester (more consistent velocity and uniformity of cartridge and bullet). I use to hunt a lot of squirrels (beldings ground squirrels) in Idaho with rifles and handguns, and Winchester SuperX seemed a little more accurate than American Eagle or Remington Thunderbolts, at least in my Winchester. Then my wife brought home $400 worth of RWS Match she bought at a yard sale for a present. It would shoot one hole groups at 25 yds—I’d never seen accuracy in a rimfire like this, so RWS and Eley are kind of my standard for gauging accuracy today. Unfortunately, RWS and Eley are four times the price of Off the Shelf Remington, and Winchester. What I’ve found in my Savage, and Winchester, that shoot almost as well, is CCI Sub-Sonics, and Aguila Super Extra—they’re fairly cheap.
Every rifle is different whether it be a Savage or CZ. I do like the Walnut on the CZ’s. A friend has the Lux version, and I couldn’t beat him with my Winchester shooting the same ammo (we even switched rifles, and his still outshot mine). I am looking forward to trying this spring with my Savage though!🤨

 

Why do you assume the CZ will shoot better than the Savage?

There are examples of each that will out-shoot the other, and vice-versa. I have seen $200 Savages out-shoot $2000 Anschutz's. I have seen pencil barrels out-shoot heavy barrels.

To assume one brand of rifle will shoot better than another brand of rifle assumes they all shoot the same within the model/brand you're looking that, which we know isn't true.

Like everything else in life, accuracy is dispersed in a bell-curve, most being average with more and less accurate examples at each end of the bell-curve.

No one knows or is able to plot the two bell curves as a meaningful sample size is not practical; one would also also have to account for different ammunition which would require a very large number of trials for any credibility.

If someone were to measure and plot, the answer would have to read: "We are 70% confident that Brand X will out-shoot Brand Y 60% of the time." How useful is that?

The experience of others is meaningless unless you're buying their rifle...Tom

 

Why do you assume the CZ will shoot better than the Savage?

That's the $64,000 question. Many Savage rifles shoot far better than their price would suggest. Where CZ shines in comparison to Savage is build quality and esthetics; the CZ rifle designs simply look better and the fit & finish are generally superior. When it comes to accuracy however, you won't know until they are shot against each other. Savage is often a lot of gun for the money.

 

100% agree with all above.
before you buy a new rifle chasing accuracy you should try some Eley, RWS, Lapua or even SK. That Savage may just surprise you how well it shoots.

Shoot the bulk stuff at tin cans or 6" steel plates.

 

SK Std Plus and Eley Team are my favorites for my Mark II's.

 

I agree with Thomas post. All the rimfires I have owned are ammo dependant. Had 452 cz american that shot amazing groups with sk match ammo. Mk2 2 could easily run with it using fiocci biathlon ammo. Both were just about the same using bulk ammo. Not bad but not great. YMMV and all that. Had a kimber 82g that shot very respectful groups at 50Y with blazer. Tried some gold medal match and it was shooting about the size of a quarter. It really varies with rimfire. Lots of variables.

 

Cato - All of the above are valid, BUT the real question is WHAT ACCURACY are you expecting? I have a Sav B22 FV and with Fed A-M get about 1" @ 50 for 5-shots. However, with SK Rifle Match I can get 0.500-600" and often LESS. Are you shooting cans or paper for score ?
I believe the money you're considering spending should be directed to 1) Better Ammo 2) Better Scope ( I use an Athlon Argos 8-34x56 FFP) 3) More Practice at whatever you shoot AT.

 

My Savage MkII is one of my 2 favorite RF rifles. Bull barrel and the accutrigger is better than my CF accutrigger. In a Boyd's stock. Only complaint Is the location of the safety. I can sometime set it when shooting this rifle prone using the sling position for prone practice. It shots SK Std and CCI SV great. One very accurate little rifle. Would like a different bolt handle angle for quicker action but it feeds great, and runs great.

 

My FVSR shoots Eley Club .5 MOA consistently.

 

Just curious,thinking about buying a new cz .i have a savage mark ii f, the skinny barrel with a 4-16x50 scope. I mainly shoot bulk ammo. How much better would the cz be with bulk ammo

I don't have a dog in this hunt but along with what was mentioned above it depends on which CZ model you're considering also. I was getting so-so accuracy from my pencil barrel CZ 457 Synthetic with bulk ammo but what really tightened up the 50 yard groups was this Sharpshooter X-Ring Barrel Deresonator . Will it work with your Savage due to the front sight, dunno. On the other hand if you're considering the CZ 457 Varmint MTR I can testify without a doubt it will shoot several brands of bulk ammo accurately. I have 2 of them and for just throwing lead down range I primarily shoot Norma MATCH-22 & TAC-22 followed up with CCI SV and Federal Automatch. When it really counts they're the most consistently accurate with RWS R50, Eley Tenex and certain SK Rifle Match, of course that's lot dependent.

457 Synthetic sighting in a new scope and dialing in the LimbSaver @ 50 yrds. for squirrel hunting

Varmint MTR's with bulk @ 50 yrds.

 

All of the above posts I agree with. Yesterday I shot an inexpensive Mossberg 702 Plinkster along with my CZ 452 Trainer. (see pics on CZ forum) The 702 with its terrible trigger and light weight shot decently for a hunting rifle at 25 yards using Eley Target. Then I shot it with Blazer at the same distance. Groups opened up significantly. You need to stay under the speed of sound. I like CCI SV for plinking and informal target shooting. YRMV

 

Whether it's a CZ, Marlin, Savage, or whatever, IMHO and IME the heavier barrels do better with different varieties of ammo; are more consistent.

That barrel deresonator thing looks interesting. Just checked -- available on Amazon. Might get one for my Mark II F.

EDIT: Got a deresonator on the way.

 

Whether it's a CZ, Marlin, Savage, or whatever, IMHO and IME the heavier barrels do better with different varieties of ammo; are more consistent.

That barrel deresonator thing looks interesting. Just checked -- available on Amazon. Might get one for my Mark II F.

EDIT: Got a deresonator on the way.

When you get it read the directions thoroughly and lube the stew out of the barrel and inside the Limb Saver with gun oil, you want to slide it in 1/2" increments and fine tune it in 1/8"-1/4" increments. Don't worry about all of the oil once you get it where it groups best it will set up. Once it sets in place if you need more adjustments carefully pry it open with a plastic utensil or something that will not scratch the barrel or damage the rubber and lay the gun oil to it all around the inside, it will slide easier. I set mine up shooting Norma TAC-22 Subsonic HP exclusively because the rifle is only used for squirrel hunting. The LS sits about 5/8" away from the thread protector but every barrel is different. I found that the position it's in also helped regular TAC-22 groups as well.

 

Thanks everybody great info to think about

 

Cz457, mtr

 

If the only concern is accuracy go with the savage odds are it might out shoot the cz, But for a more satisfying shooting experience go with the cz, they all seem to shoot well if not great. The fit, finish and function are generally a couple steps above the savage. I have both cz and savage rifles, the savage guns are keepers only for their accuracy other than that every one I have has some annoying issue, maybe magazine function, trigger, bolt. Not big problems but little things they could have done better on.

 

I have a great shooting mark ii but recently purchased a Cz mtr to keep up at the local ARA matches.

 

Been saving the Eley (Wolf Match) using what I have in the 10/22 Shaw barrel, it seems to like it. But that is great to know thax

 

My LVT 10/22 prefers SK Standard plus. .65 MOA. Not bad for 100 yard .22.

 

@Cato we started out with a Savage MKII F back in February of this year. Great gun and really go us into rimfire. Honestly we probably would have kept it if it was upgradable at all. I built a 10/22 after shooting the Savage a couple times and was blown away by how much of a difference a barrel could make (Kidd 20" Bull). Started looking into options for the Savage and there just wasn't anything really available. The CZ on the other hand has a way bigger aftermarket. Between Barrels, Stocks, Chassis, Triggers, etc, there just isn't a lot of comparison.

We picked up an 457 VMTR and it is a great rifle, but honestly I think you'd be very happy with almost any model. The nice thing is you're not stock with your configuration after you get it. There are tons of aftermarket and used barrels available for the CZ in countless lengths and profiles. Also tons of stock/chassis options for you to choose from. If you want to be able to build your rifle as you get more experience or get more serious, the CZ 457 is a far better platform than the Savage MKII.

Build quality of the CZ action is also better but you're going to spend a bit more. I feel like you get what you pay for but IMO, it is worth the money. You could definitely find a Savage than can hang with a lot of CZs, but there is a reason you rarely see savages in competition vs the CZ is very popular and heavily represented in ARA, PRS, NRL, etc.

 

My Savage FV-SR is more accurate than 95% of the CZs, even the custom builds that are in the several thousands. 0.5 MOA consistently. However, the stock isn't the best for PRS, as you know, the MDT chassis is expensive just to go to Open class.
I ordered a Tikka T1x yesterday.

 

On my want list is a CZ 457 Varmint barreled action for which I could build my own stock.

 

My newest MkII is the FV SR model, I doubt the 16" barrel has got much resonating going on.I put it in a Spike Camp stock by Boyds.

My older basic MarkII that I bought used for $60 is plenty accurate.

Put 20 rounds through it at 25 yards as I got used to the accutrigger and started zeroing things. That's why the "hole" is moving down and right from that first single shot at the top left.

Finished zeroing on another target, then set up at 100 yards, dialed the scope in, and took one shot. Pretty solid, I think. Oh, and this was Federal bulk ammo. 😅

 

I have the Savage FV SR too, and the Tikk1 T1x.. Have not had a chance to get out much due to winter.. But the little I have done with both with CCI SV..They both show great promise..

 

I went to my largest somewhat local gun store (1.3 hours away) a couple weeks ago to handle both the savage marking tr and a couple different cz457s. I was expecting to come home with the cz but came home with the savage. Fits me better. Sure the cz is more refined but I'm usually more of a functional purchaser. I knew savages shoot and it doesn't disappoint.

 

I own a CZ 457 Varmint that I installed the barreled action into a CZ brand chassis. I also own two Savage TRs in Boyd's Rimfire Hunter stocks. I installed a Harrell's tuner on the CZ and one of the Savages. Both are 1/2 moa rifles now. OTOH the CZ has a much better trigger and you can adjust the headspace on the CZ bolt. No so with the Savage. My Savage has a 12oz trigger after some tuning. CZ is at 8 oz with a McMaster spring. The Savage does not have great ignition and a .048" headspace. The CZ is a much more refined rifle. You can now purchase a 3oz trigger for the CZ.

 

Which chassis did you choose?

 

The one CZ offers.

 

Which chassis did you choose?

The one CZ offers.

I'm assuming he means the CZ Precision Chassis made by HB Industries

 

I sure hope those kinds of stocks are great for something, other than looks.. Sorry I have just never understood how someone could purposely build so much ugly into something..

Yes I said it, and I stand by it, LOL

 

Chassis are all about rigidity and features. M-Lok forend for weights, built in ARCA rails on some (or easily added because of M-lok), adjustable butt stocks, interchangeable grips, etc. They're definitely not for everyone and some look better than others. In the end it really depends on your goals and your taste.

I really like the functionality of chassis, but I'm starting to not like the feel of them as much. Aluminum vs wood or carbon fiber have a very different feel. I liked my chassis more compared to my synthetic or wood stocks because of how solid they feel and all the features, but after picking up the manners vpt mtr stock for the CZ I'm really starting to see the draw of Carbon Fiber stocks with similar features as the chassis.