I would have to chose the VQ, not knowing anything about AT's barrel maker plus the fact that it looks like their mount is only on by a dovetail and very little mounting surface!
A plus is VQ's CF sleeve plus the barrel mounting hardware.

 

Price being no object I would go with Volquartsen. There's a couple reviews on this board on them and they all have been well received. That being said, if you wanted to create something with pinpoint accuracy you should've gone with a regular 1022. The takedown is more of a 'accurate enough' plinker and is meant for compact storage/backpacking.

 

I'm not looking for a benchrest rifle, but I like hitting what I'm aiming at. I have 4 other 10/22s. I can get one ragged hole groups out of the one I had the barrel recrowned, and installed a KIDD trigger in, at 25 yards. I can get bullseyes every time. My Takedown isn't even close to that level, it doesn't go back to zero when resembled, and produces "C" shot groups. I'm sure its fine with open sights, but I want at least a 4x scope, and I haven't had good results with the receiver mounted scope.

I think Ruger should at least drill and tap the barrel, then the aftermarket could produce a mount.

 

A couple of notes. I haven't even shot my takedown yet, just finished restocking it. I have built around a dozen full benchrest 10/22's in the last 9 months, so I have a lot of experience tuning them for accuracy.

First, just studying the gun, I don't think it will ever be a tack driver with a factory barrel. Outside of the LVT's, most that are are pure accidents, and the ones that are require a lot of tuning.

To me the big limitations of the takedown are the barrel quality, the trigger (as always) and the fore end. With the fore end screwed on the barrel and just hanging there, I don't ever see any barrel as accurate. Just too complex a system, with fore end pressure being transferred totally to the barrel itself with nothing to mitigate the variations.

That said, I don't know if I share the idea that the gun is inherently inaccurate due to the barrel attachment. I have measured and studied the attachment system, and it appears to be surprisingly robust, close tolerance and tight fitting. I think the action has the potential to be pretty accurate. After benchrest season, I am planning on making a test gun with a Shilen barrel, BX trigger and no forend. I will use a modified stock for testing which is based on a standard stock with a very large barrel channel.

Finally, I wouldn't fool with adjustment ring settings. The design is very symmetrical as to barrel pressure. I believe that the setting that gives the best accuracy is the one that yields a pressure such that the barrel is as tight as possible while still able to remove the barrel.

 

I "floated" or relived barrel pressure by removing material from front lip of fore end . It no longer touches barrel ,and groups reduced substantially . I had a vertical stringing issue. Now the fore end can be tightened up well without tensioning the barrel. Zero cost and groups are tight with open tangent sights .

 

I can only speak for the VQ CF barrel/forend combo. I am very happy with the accuracy. I use it for plinking at the silhouette range. I am not a good shooter, but I am usually able to hit the small knockdown targets at 100 meters. At 50 and 75 meters, it is pretty hard to miss.

I really like how solid the rail mount is. With the scope mounted, the barrel portion is very long. I can't use my takedown bag. My stock folds, so at least I am able to use my 5.11 M4 Covrt Bag.

I am afraid to try to take my scope off and on because I am not sure how well the Leupold's will hold zero if I do.

edit: I should add that I was able to hit the same targets with the stock barrel. The difference is that before the rifle was sensitive to the way it was held. Too much pressure and the shot would be off.. if that makes sense.

 

I just ordered the Volquartsen Lightweight Carbon Fiber barrel with the cantilever scope mount and forearm from Rimfire Sports and Custom. I will report back after I have a chance to shoot it.

 

Range Report

Ok... I had the chance today to shoot my new Volquartsen 10/22 Takedown barrel with cantilever mount. I mounted a Simmons 22 Mag 3x9 AO scope just for this test. I will eventually grab a Nikon Prostaff Rimfire scope, but I have had the Simmons for four years, and have never tried it, so on it went. Test ammo was Gemtech Silencer Subsonic, Wolf Match Extra, CCI Standard Velocity, and Winchester Subsonic 42MAX. I dis/reassembled the rifle after each shot. The rifle was rested on a front bag. The rifle is stock, with the exception of a KIDD Trigger Job Kit, and the auto bolt release mod. All shots were through a SilencerCo Stainless Steel Sparrow.

The first pic is 10 shots to the center with Gemtech Silencer Subsonic at 25 yards, the 4 corner shots are CCI SV. The three shots at the top center are from my Buckmark pistol as I was adjusting its red dot.

The second pic is 10 shots to the center with Wolf Match Extra at 25 yards, the 4 corner shots are Winchester Subsonic 42MAX. I pulled the upper left corner shot, or that target would have been perfect.

The third pic is 3 shots at 50 yards, with Wolf Match Extra, taking the rifle apart after every shot.

I am very happy with this barrel/mount. It appears to shoot all the brands of ammo I had today equally well, with the Wolf Match Extra showing the best groups. It solves the problem I was having with the rifle not going back to point of aim with a receiver mounted scope after dis/reassembly. It is also exceptionally accurate. If you have a 10/22 Takedown and aren't happy with its performance, I think the Volquartsen barrel is the answer.

A quick comment about the Simmons scope. It did a very good job. It adjusted easily with its target turrets, and was quickly on target. I purposely shot it at 50 yards while changing the magnification, and it never changed its zero. It may have earned a permanent place on this rifle.

 

The targets do the talking. If it was iron-sight compatible, I'd have to splurge.

 

I have a frankenstein 10/22 takedown. Here is a list of items that have been added to it:
- Volquartsen carbon-fiber barrel
- Hogue thumb-hole stock
- BX – Brimstone modified trigger group
- JWH Blackout Bolt assembly
The only item stock is the receiver. On the barrel, I mounted a Leupold VX-R 4-12x40mm (was a gift) on low-mount rings. In this configuration, it still fits into the Ruger bag.

 

Cool. Doing somethin similar. Vq barrel with magpul x22 stock. Kidd trigger job. Hope mine fits in ruger bag!


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Hows does that disconnect/takedown without hitting the charging handle ?
Am I missing something

 

Magpul stock. Vq carbon cant barrel. Stock fits barrel fine. Fits in ruger bag fine. We will see how the fit is when i mount the utg bug buster on it


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Magpul stock. Vq carbon cant barrel. Stock fits barrel fine. Fits in ruger bag fine. We will see how the fit is when i mount the utg bug buster on it

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So you don't have the VQ forend?

 

Jhawker... post some thoughts after you shoot it. I'm interested in what pressure the forearm is putting on your barrel, and how that affects accuracy. Mine shoots one ragged hole all day long in the VQ forearm, which is a free-float forearm, but I have since switched mine to the forearm than comes with the Hogue Overmould stock, and that added some pressure to the barrel. I also switched scopes, and it wasn't shooting as well as when I first set it up. Its still very accurate, but groups opened a bit, and I haven't had a chance to experiment with it to see if its scope, or forearm.

 

Weblance
These magpul stocks have an adjustable shim towards the end of forarm. It is adjusted by turning a set screw from the bottom of forarm. I am not going to use it to start out with however. I am just going to freefloat to see what groups i can get


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When I first looked at your post, I thought that was my setup.

 

Pretty close. I have the VQ forearm. I go back and forth. It seems to shoot a little tighter with the VQ. I also shortened my length of pull by one inch. I really like the Hogue stock. I have high cheekbones, and it puts my eye in perfect alignment with my scope.

 

Weblance,
Why did you remove the volquartsen forend?

 

Also what did you mean by, I shortened my pull by one inch?

 

Weblance,
Why did you remove the volquartsen forend?

Also what did you mean by, I shortened my pull by one inch?

I decided I wanted to use a bipod, and didnt have one for a pic rail, but did have one that mounts to a quick-detach sling stud.

Look at the length of your stock behind the raised comb. Then look at mine. Mine is 1" shorter than yours. The stock felt too long to me. I have a large bandsaw, so I marked an inch off the end, scored the rubber with an razor knife, then cut off the stock with the bandsaw. The butt plate screw bosses are long enough to still accept the full length of the screws, even though the stock is now 1" shorter. It fits me much better now.

 

I see it now that you pointed it out. My eyes are getting old. Looks like you did a good job.

 

I see it now. Looks like it turned out well. I wouldn't have even realized it, if you hadn't said something.

So, without the bi-pod, which forend shoots better for you? Or have you seen any difference?

 

It shot better with the VQ forearm. I changed the scope from a cheap Simmons to a better Mueller. The groups opened a bit. Im going to blame that on the forearm swap, not the scope. Its been too cold to do any more experimenting, plus I've been concentrating lately on my ARs, and a couple 223 bolt actions. Once spring comes again, and the groundhogs start swarming, I will get my takedowns out again. They are my backyard solution

 

Thanks for this thread weblance!
As a new 10/22 TD owner I have found this thread to be extremely useful. I recently purchased a 10/22 TD when my local Wholesale Sports had a boxing day sale ($150 discount). I don't intend to use my TD as a backpacking rifle as many do, but as a modular rifle system using 2 or 3 different barrels and only one receiver, trigger and stock.

I have also purchased a Magpul X22 TD stock and an Adaptive Tactical Charger barrel (both still in transit):

I decided to go with the short Tac Hammer barrel, as I am skeptical of the really long cantilever scope mount - looks like it would be prone to vibrate like a tuning fork, so not ideal for long distance accuracy. Also I can't find any reviews of the Tac Hammer barrels. This short barrel will be for short-medium distance plinking with a red dot, or low power scope. For longer distance target shooting (50 yard +) I intent to get the Volquartsen, however everyone seems to be out of stock at the moment. Does anyone know of these in stock anywhere?

I am also thinking of getting this Magpul red dot mount for the standard barrel and modifing the forend to accept it (available for pre-order at Brownells):

This brings up a question: I will need at least one additonal forend (a short one to fit the Charger barrel) and barrel catch assembly - can anyone provide a source for either of these?

Thanks
TEG

BTW there are no legal issues with the short barrel (Canadian laws do not have a minimum barrel length for a rimfire rifle)

 

I'm in Canada too. I have done my volquartsen buying from sylvestrie in Alberta. Got my take down barrel and forearm combo there, along with bolt etc. Where did you get your barrel. Easy to get the mag stock but have been having trouble getting parts for it. Now to find the time to put it together.

 

AGP is the only one I know of that sells just a forearm. I dont know what their policy is about Canadian shipping.

I think Magpul just scored a home run with the optic mount. It replaces the factory barrel block and will eliminate the accuracy issues with a receiver mounted optic. The Magpul stock is interesting, but the optic mount will get my money. I have an extra threaded barrel without sights, and an extra forearm. I have wanted to set up a barrel with a red dot. The Takedown is actually a great rifle, as long as you don't rely on the receiver for an optic.