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Blowing in the Barrel - Cold Bore Flyers - A Limited Study

2.5K views 23 replies 15 participants last post by  Fasteddie01  
#1 · (Edited)
I'm posting this in this forum due to the importance of a good first shot in these rimfire games. I shot in rimfire benchrest for about 15 years and in that game, one is allowed to warm up the barrel with unlimited fouling shots and sighters. As I understand, that's not the case at precision rimfire events. When I recently saw a video of a fellow proclaiming that blowing in the barrel may eliminate cold bore flyers, I was skeptical, but intrigued. Being as this is winter and I'm retired, I had the time and figured I'd give this theory a test. Something to do. I have had for a number of years, a rifle (Remington 541T-HB) that is notorious for having real, bad, cold bore fliers, especially out of a cold & clean barrel. I figured it would be perfect for this testing. Most targets were shot on different days, and obviously different wind conditions. The temps on the days tested were in the 30s. I used the same brand and lot # of good match ammo (Eley Match), which I trust, and with which I am very familiar. The targets used is the IR50/50 target with a 1/4" 10 ring and was shot at 25 yds to minimize issues with wind drift. Targets were shot using wind flags, except for one day when I forgot, and off a solid, 2 piece rest that I've used for years in benchrest. The scope used was a Sightron 6X target scope with fine crosshairs and a dot. When blowing in the barrel, I used a straw, from the breech end, and gave two long exhales into the barrel and shot the target within 30 seconds after blowing. The targets shown below were each shot on separate days, with the shots being the first of the day. I did some shooting of the rifle after a 1/2 hour rest, which didn't seem to be a long enough break to produce a cold bore flyer.

My conclusion: There is something going on here that works. I found it especially beneficial when performed on a fouled, cold bore. I found no disadvantage to doing it at any time. Blowing in the barrel never seemed to hurt performance. Flyers from a cold, clean bore avg 1.25" out from the subsequent group. Flyers from a cold, clean, blown bore were 3/4" out from the subsequet group. Flyers from a cold, fouled bore were about 1/2" out from the subsequent group. Shots from a cold, fouled, blown bore were on target and in the subsequent group. I urge others to see if they have similar results from rifles that have bad cold, clean, barrel flyers. My suggestion for you precision rifle shooters, start your event with a fouled bore, and give blowing in the barrel a try, if you struggle with cold barrel flyers. It might help.

Shots from a cold, clean (brushed and patched with Hoppe's #9) barrel. It took this barrel 3 shots to group well and settle down.

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Single shot from a cold, clean barrel. Note, first shots are low and to the right, as in above.

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Shots from a cold, clean, blown barrel. Note: First shot is still low and to the right but not nearly out as far. Shots 2-5 were all in the subsequent group.

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Shots from a cold, fouled bore. The first shot was not out as far as the clean blown barrel above but it still was down and to the right. It took more shots to get it to group. The second shot was out farther than the first. Conditions were not as good on this day and subsequent groups were not as good as they were on the other days of shooting.

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Single shot from a cold, fouled, blown bore. On the money. Right after this shot, I fired a 5 shot group on target #2 and all shots touched the 10 ring. See last photo.

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#4 ·
I've had issues with that as well recently. I thought it might just be me but guess it might be a wider spread issue.

Regarding the main topic: Thank you so much for sharing and providing your test data. I watched that same video as was greatly intrigued by it, but haven't tested myself. I'll be testing it out an one point in the near future and will also report my findings.
 
#8 ·
Just yesterday did some practice, chronographing and dialup verification on our small bore silhouette range. Shooting a CZ457 with the Lilja pre fit and Eley match ammo the cold dirty bore shot on the 109 yard ram target was about an inch hi and 33 fps faster than the ten shot string average. The dirty bore cold shot earlier with a less fouled barrel was 22 fps faster than the ten shot average. The one inch hi on the first shot at the rams is enough to cause a miss and in silhouette there are no sighter or warm up shots. Thanks for your verification of this method.
 
#11 ·
The idea behind blowing into the barrel isn't actually about heat (though I'm sure that plays a small role). Blowing into the barrel introduces a similar moisture content to that left after firing a couple rounds. That moisture content is what was theorized to cause the difference in velocity of the first shot (usually 30-50 fps). So warming up the barrel won't have the same impact as blowing into it.

The video we're referring to also talks about just sealing up the barrel after a few shots to retain that moisture. This seems way more work though.

 
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#16 ·
I have seen where there was speculation it was the moisture and it acting as a lubricant for the first shot dealing with cold "seasoning" in the barrel.
Then of course the subsequent shots the first shot had warmed up the seasoning where it was not a problem.

I was thinking say for a hunter that experiences the same first cold bore shift but will not be in a position to blow in the barrel right before their initial shot would it be possible that some type of graphite or something to be wiped on the initial bullet or on a patch and run through the bore before entering the woods that could also create the same lubricating effect on the initial clod bore shot?

Just thinking out loud really here!
 
#17 ·
That's an interesting point to bring up in regards to hunting. Some centerfire guys will tape their muzzle brakes or end of barrels to keep moisture and dirt out of the barrel. I bet you could do something similar with a rimfire, but it would need to be tested. MDT tested it with centerfire and it didn't impact accuracy. So a hunter might be able to blow into their clean cold barrel, tape the end, then just go on hunting. The tape would just pop off on the first shot.

 
#21 ·
A question I have is: Why would one barrel throw out the first shot from a cold, bore way out (like my 541) and why do other barrels (like on my Cooper or my custom sporter) put the first shot to point of aim (POA) or much closer to it? I would think that if it's just a moisture issue, that all barrels would have, that they would behave pretty much the same. Seldom are things as simple as they seem. That's especially the case when it comes to rifle barrels. In my years in benchrest, I learned, as a shooter, that I didn't really need to know or understand the why or how something works (think tuners). I just needed to trust my experiences and do what worked best to put the shot on the dot. That took a lot trial and error, experimentation, and listening and learning from others willing to share. For whatever reason, their may be something to this blowing in the barrel thing. My testing of this theory was very limited in scope. Too limited for me make any definite conclusions. Since I don't shoot precision matches, I won't be spending more time testing this theory. Frankly, I expected my limited testing to quickly debunk the theory, especially considering how my 541 has behaved for years.
 
#22 ·
It would be easy for different factors to combine and it could come down to bullet velocity, tightness of the bore to the slug along even with the state of the barrel and the seasoning buildup and change any one of those different factors could net a different result whether adding in the moisture via a couple of exhaled breaths would affect that first initial cold bore shot.

We all know just different ammo, even lot numbers within the same brand can drastically affect the performance and accuracy of the fickle rimfire.
Even just different barrels one ammo will shoot well while another looks like shotgun but change to a different rifle your results could actually reverse and what shot great in the first rifle is now the shotgun pattern out of the second rifle.

I am sure the guy that started the "precision rimfire" concept is still laughing his butt off! 😂
 
#24 ·
2500X , Maybe the Cooper is just 'that bit more accurate' and you don't notice the variance as much. Have you tried 'blowing' that rifle ?
As for hunters, Maybe use a long piece of vinyl tubing inserted in the chamber to breathe into , then pull out and chamber a round ?
I haven't tried this at all since I'm a wimp and it's been ca 0-5F most of this month, and my range has 1-2-ft of snow.
And I see the results of C-ring after 100+ rounds of 'medium' ammo. I take C4 and rod and patches to the range.