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2A Armament AR rimfire kits

16K views 131 replies 16 participants last post by  octanejunkie  
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#4 ·
I've looked for some sort of report on these, and haven't found one yet. Not even a single youtube video.

The 2A Armament people have a thread about this on AR15.com. They show a group at 25 yards that isn't impressive.

Some aspects of the design are interesting. I find the use of titanium in the bolt baffling. I think one of you should buy it and post a review.
 
#6 ·
I started the thread on arfcom. and shot the top group in the picture. It was shot with CCI SV off hand. I thought it was pretty good for an amature. Being that I designed the system I can answer any questions you have. As for reviews we have vary few reviews on any of our products. I wish we had more, it is just a bit cost prohibitive for us. I will say our competitive shooter Jared Stanger set two new world records shooting our rifle without modification.https://steelchallenge.com/steel-challenge-world-records.php
 
#5 ·
I noticed Primary Arms has been selling 2A Armament 22 LR mags that appear to be copies of the Black Dog Machine 22LR mags. The 2A bolt looks to be modeled after the original Colt/DPMS Gen 1 design. The Colt conversion bolt reciprocated on two guide rods like the 2A. The spring guide rods screwed into the chamber adapter or barrel collar. The Colt/DPMS design used two extractors.

The listed price for the 2A barrel bolt and conversion bolt is high so it will be interesting to see how reliable this conversion turns out.
 
#8 ·
Our magazines are produced by Black Dog and co branded 2A. We perform an in house modification to them for more reliable feeding in our offering. I am not familiar with the Colt/DPMS design, though it sounds similar. and would like to look one over.

The reliability has been a concern for us from day one. A group of us here shoot the local steel challenge and felt we should be shooting the AR platform we produce rather than the 10/22. We went down this squirrel hole due to reliability issues we were experiencing with other kits. To be honest when we built the first run we had no intention of going to market with it. We felt the temperamental 22LR would overtax our technical support and lead to negative feedback. For the most part that has thankfully not been the case for us. We have gone through a revision change in an effort to offer the best product we can. As with any 2A product the customer comes first. We are nothing without customers.

If I have overstepped any bounds with the forum owners and or moderators please notify me and it will be corrected.

Brian
 
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To Zuk's point, when I was looking for a magnum rimfire upper I found several out there (22WSM and 17HMR) but I bought the most documented and well-reviewed one out there. Is it the best? I don't know, but it was the most reviewed (promoted) and documented of it's I'll, which made the decision easier to make.

All that said, I like the 2A upper/solution but I wish there was more info out there. I own 2 CMMG pattern uppers and both run well. Like Zuk, I'd like an M16A1 clone in 22LR *hint hint 2AA*

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Just read through this thread, while a bit "pricey" this conversion bolt looks like it's nicely machined/done. Ivan, Zuk, Octane Junkie--Have any of you received any reply from IMACHINE at all to your later inquiries? Looks like they stopped responding to the forum after their January post? That's a shame, as I too was interested in more info on their bolt assembly after reading the thread... Perhaps they have enough other business they don't feel the need to aggressively market their conversion bolt? My CMMG based dedicated uppers (three entirely different configurations) are all humming along very nicely, but I'm always on the lookout (excuse:D) for another project AR rimfire.
 
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2A Armament

I found the 2A Armament Bolt and Barrel kit on Optics Planet back in November for $339 and jumped on it. I've since ordered a couple of their 2A Armament magazines directly from 2A Armament. I have several other Black Dog magazines and to my eye I can see no difference. The mods specific to their bolt design must be internal or something. I've been reluctant to post anything about this combo since I really haven't run it through its paces. I've been to an indoor range a couple times and shot at 25-yds but I haven't bench tested it at 50 or 100yds.

With the instruction provided, they recommend several types of ammo that they have had great results with with. These include: CCI Std Velocity, Eley Target, Gemtech Match Susonic, and Federal Automatch AM22. They've also listed several they don't recommend because of cycling issues they experienced during their testing. I have tried all the ammo they recommend and had great results. Their instructions also advise against applying any lubrication. Well, I disagreed with that and applied some lube. Guess what? After a few shots it gummed up on me and didn't cycle. I initially assembled it with one of those thick-walled DPMS Lo-Pro "extruded" type upper receivers. And it was a snug fit. Too snug for my liking but without lube, it did cycle. I've since reassembled it with a more std. A4 upper receiver. It's not nearly as snug as it was and so far it runs fine.

Now- if you were to observe the 2A bolt sitting next to a CMMG (or other), you'd swear the CMMG bolt was made by a grade-schooler. Not disparaging CMMG, I have several and they run great. It's just the fit and finish and level of machining is superb. Very impressive. It comes apart pretty easily too for proper cleaning. There are 3 snap rings on the collar that retain it to the two guide rails. The instruction booklet has excellent photographs and is very informative.

In two range sessions I shot about 200 rounds each. The first range session I experienced 3 instances of double fires. A little concerning. I also noted upon close inspection that chip was broken off the black buffer at the very back where there's a relief cut for another retaining clip. It appears the buffer retaining pin made contact. I emailed 2A and they replied within a couple hours. They said they had experienced the same thing and were replacing all their buffers with aluminum. They sent a new complete bolt to me and I had it within a couple days. I returned the bolt with the broken plastic buffer. He said he thought that broken buffer was the culprit for the double-fires. My second range session experienced no double-fires. So it appears that was the case. Much more shooting is necessary though. Just need to make time and get to a proper range. I'm new to Florida so I'm having a hard time. I may have to break down and join a club. I'm about 30 minutes from Volusia County Club so that's probably what I'll end up doing.

Reading through this thread again, Zukiphile reminded me that their bolt may work with other CMMG style barrels. I'll have to see if that's the case when I get home tonight.

Accuracy was great at 25 yrds but again, leaning on a counter in an indoor range is not the best testing environment. I was shooting at the "tac-driving game" targets for 25-yds and was able to drive 7 out of 20 tacks on average over three targets. Not too bad but I really wish I had been sitting and shooting off a bench.

PM me or email if you have any further questions. I'll attempt to attach a couple pictures.
 
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I like those skinny free float tubes.

This,

Their instructions also advise against applying any lubrication. Well, I disagreed with that and applied some lube. Guess what? After a few shots it gummed up on me and didn't cycle. I initially assembled it with one of those thick-walled DPMS Lo-Pro "extruded" type upper receivers. And it was a snug fit. Too snug for my liking but without lube, it did cycle. I've since reassembled it with a more std. A4 upper receiver. It's not nearly as snug as it was and so far it runs fine.
…had me imagining the headline "2A Armament and Eugene Stoner team up to make the world's first self-cleaning 22lr rifle!"
 
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Pics below....
Erik---looking at that last pic that shows the crack, it appears that the relief cut/notch to accommodate the buffer retainer pin was not cut deep enough, and the entire conversion assy was apparently moving and getting battered against the buffer pin during cycling? If I'm understanding the design, it appears as though a "pressure plug" would work well with the A2 conversion bolt, and would limit this movement and help prevent or eliminate the battering. Also, you indicated that A2 changed from a plastic material (the broken part), to aluminum? Is that entire part now aluminum construction? And finally, is the "collar" located at the front of the conversion bolt assy designed for the CMMG sized (0.457") barrel stub, or for the Taccom/Spike's larger (I believe these are 0.500") stub?
 
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1. Picture of a CMMG collar on Lothar-Walther barrel; looks to me like 3 o'clock
2. Picture of 2A barrel installed showing the ejector cut approx. 2 o'clock
3. Picture of TACCOM collar and barrel I found on google images
4. Picture of Tactical Solution...looks like the moved the ejector cut up to appox. 2 o'clock as well.
 

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#32 · (Edited)
Thanks for the pics and details, Erik72!

Random question for y'all regarding the ejection port in the upper (I'm shopping for upper receivers) lol

1. No door (some uppers have no provision for doors) or omit the door from mil spec upper

2. Mil spec door

3. CMMG partial door with gas deflector
https://www.opticsplanet.com/cmmg-ejection-port-cover-kit-with-deflector.html
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My CMMG 22LR upper came with the partial door, my PSA 22LR did not. I really don't notice a difference (gas deflector or not) while shooting...
 
#54 ·
2A has one barrel to offer, CMMG has several. Discussing barrel options is not a tangent. I wish I had a lathe at home lol but alas apartment living makes that prohibitive, but I do know a few machine shops and machinists...

Green Mountain has a 20" SS Sporter barrel with a bentz chamber on sale for $132 that someone with your skills and time could turn into a one of a kind dedicated AR22 barrel
http://www.gmriflebarrel.com/901914-20-22lr-ss-sporter-barrel-10-22/

Or a 20" SS GM "blank" .920 Bull barrel for $150

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#55 · (Edited)
I think what Triggershoe is describing may be even more impressive than that. I don't think a .920 barrel would have enough diameter for that raised ring that mates with the front of the upper receiver. TS isn't just adapting a chambered 10/22 barrel, but is starting with one of these:

http://www.gmriflebarrel.com/22s-bl.../22s-blank-22lr-21-x-1-gunsmith-edition-raw-rifle-barrel-blank-stainless-steel/

That's why I commented about the idea of making one that doesn't need a barrel collar (the way Keystone Accuracy does), but without a feed ramp. The feed ramp looks like the product of an operation I would call "non-radial", i.e. not the result of turning it on its long axis.

EDIT - Now that I re-read TS's post, it looks as if he is using this:
http://www.gmriflebarrel.com/bxs22lr-25-22lr-1-06-od-416ss-1-16-turned-bbl-blank/