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25 Yard Zero vs 50/100

2.1K views 29 replies 23 participants last post by  410Jim  
#1 ·
I f I sight in at 25yds with cci, about where should I be at 50,75 100 ? Thanks
 
#13 ·
On the paper, if you're lucky. The trajectory is probably still going up at 25 yards. It's possible that the bullet will be coming down and also zeroed at 50 yards, which would have been a better distance at which to zero in the first place. That said, I believe there is no such thing as a "50-yard" zero because the trajectory is so flat there you could actually be zeroed several yards one side or the other from 50. Which doesn't matter until you try to predict where you'll be at 75 or 100.

So if you want to know where you will shoot at 100 yards, go do it.
 
#14 ·
Of course there is a 50 yard zero. That is simply when you zero it at 50 yards. It doesn't matter that the trajectory isn't steep there, it is still a trajectory. If you zero at any distance and then try to predict where you'll be at any longer distance you have to know the trajectory all the way to the longer distance. This means you need to know the velocity at some point and the ballistic coefficient of the bullet.
And yes, it is always best to zero at the distance you are interested in shooting.
 
#19 ·
Your work reflects my findings as well. However, I use a 50 yard zero and have about a 9 inch ( + or - 1/2 ") . Now I am curious how you get a 2 inch difference. I have done the test with CZ's , Ruger 10-22 and Winchester 52 and all are about the same spread. Ammo is CCI SV, Midas Plus X, Tax 22 and a couple of other standard velocity with a stated speed of around 1050 to 1080 fps.
Oh well, more swamp gas for me to chase. It gives this old guy a purpose.
It is all very interesting.
Might need to buy a chronograph to sort it out.
 
#24 ·
well and so... I read this thread. I'll answer the OP's question as best I can: (there's no quick answer)

You need to understand trajectory. Each type of CCI ammunition has a different trajectory.
What that means is that the bullet travels in a vertical arc. It starts out from the barrel going
straight, and then it drops with yardage, as velocity drops.

When you sight in, what you are doing is connecting the line of sight with the trajectory.
If you use a scope (like I do) you have to know how far above the bore your scope's center is.
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Let's assume 1.5"... (like mine)
If you look at the target through your scope, your line of sight is about 1.5" above the straight line out of
the bore.

When you adjust your scope so that your bullets hit the point of aim at 25 yards, then the arc of the trajectory
carries the bullet up, and then down as velocity decays. You can look at trajectory figures for the CCI ammunition
you have selected... those will tell you how high your bullet will fly at 50 yds when you sight your rifle in at 25 yards
and the trajectory figures will tell you how low your bullet will drop at 75 yards with the same zero.

Here's a link... (truly, you have to understand all this if you intend to hit your target beyond 25 yards)
On this site, you'll see a graph that shows how the bullet loses velocity (and drops) with yardage.
"Sighting in" means that you adjust your scope so that your bullet hits the point of aim at 25yards
or at 50 yards.

When you understand trajectory, you see that when your bullet hits the point of aim at 25 yards, it is rising.
The same when it hits the point of aim at 50 yards. You've adjusted your sights so that when you look at
the target (and lay the cross hairs at six o'clock on the bullseye) your bullet hits the target high enough to
make holes in the bullseye. What does it do before and after the measured distance, eh?

Here's the answer: When you understand trajectory, you see that if you sight your weapon in so that your
bullets hit the point of aim at 25 yards, it is rising and will rise more, out to maybe fifty yards. Then it begins
to drop. It drops fast after 75 yards, such that it might be 9" below the point of aim at 100 yards.

To me, that means that my 1022 is a 50 yard gun. I don't mind this, because anything I might shoot at with
my 1022 is not likely to even be visible beyond 100 yards. ...talkin' gray squirrels, cottontails etc.
There are members on this forum that post threads about "Long Range .22 shooting" which is incomprehensible
to me. If I wanted to shoot at something further away than 75 yards, I'd reach for a different weapon.
Lucky me, I have other rifles that can shoot much further away than a .22LR can.

It comes back to trajectory. When you understand that a .22LR bullet will be dropping by 100 yards and might hit
the target 9+ inches low at that range, then you can appreciate the trajectory of the .223/6.56mm cartridge.
A centerfire .22 caliber cartridge like the .223 has a muzzle velocity much higher than does the humble .22LR.
So it has a much "flatter" trajectory. If I sight my .223 in at 50 yards, the flat trajectory of the 62 grain bullet
sent downrange at 2700 FPS means that I don't have to worry about bullet drop out beyond 200 yards.

The same for other centerfire cartrtidges... I sighted my 7x51mm deer rifle in at fifty yards first. When I fired at
a target at 100 yards, I found that the bullet hit very close to the point of aim, which means that it wasn't falling
very fast yet. So I sighted my 7x51mm deer rifle in to hit the point of aim at 100 yards. That means that the bullet
was still rising, it hit 1.5" above the point of aim at 100 yards. The "flat" trajectory of the 7x51mm bullet means that
I was dead on all the way out to 200 yards and a bit beyond. I took a buck at that range last November, with one
shot at about 200 yards. Studying the trajectory curves helped me do this.

It isn't different for the .22LR, it's just an exercise in velocity versus range. I hope this answers your question.
 
#26 ·
I live in SD and it seems the wind is always blowing after 9 am. I will sight in about 3/4 inch high at 25 knowing I’ll be around a 1/4 low at 50. For me, a 22 is a 50 yard gun 90% of the time.

100 yards here is tough unless you get a day with no wind. I use SV ammo in my match guns so it’s pretty similar on drop so I can easily just my scope.

Last time I shot 100 yards I shot a great 10 shot group of around an inch or so then the wind picked up and horizontally strung me open to 2 plus inches.

Reminds me why I shoot CF too….