Buddy has one of the TP22s..I kinda would like to get it out of him..But it is in the box and he bought it new many years ago.So he is kinda attached to it...I think they had, or atleast some years of manufacture did, a problem with the trigger guards snapping off when disassembling them, as they were pot metal..

I am not really into cheaper stuff like these..But I would like to have his just to own a example..I will think but there is another decent quality brand I looked at before too..Made in Italy I believe..But I cannot think of it right now..

 

FEG SMC -22 or RL 61

 

Those may also be available as KBI versions [KBI imported a lot of FEG pistols under their brand name; my FEG Hi Power clone is a KBI.]

 

https://www.sportsmans.com/shooting-gear-gun-supplies/handguns/bersa-thunder-22-pistol/p/p47972

 

Spanish Astra Constable..That is the other one I considered..I think they are actually pretty well made..

I have owned the Bersa in the past..Good reliable little Firearm..But it was not for me..Too new,LOL

https://www.smithandwessonforums.com/threads/astra-constable-in-22lr.39434/

 

Bersa

Bersa Thunder .380 comes in a .22 rimfire version.
Didn't Manurihin also make a rimfire PPK/s?

 

Bersa Thunder .380 comes in a .22 rimfire version.

I have one of those, and I love it, but it's more PP than PPK size.

 

Yes it seems there are some French older PPKs out there or some that were maybe connected to SW?

Yes the 22 Bersa is the one I had..

 

94exa2,

Erma made those TP-22s for Iver Johnson, American Arms, and for Excam, plus they sold them under the "Erma" name. Iver Johnson also sold a .25ACP version. Some were actualy made in, or put together in, America. They come apart like the Walther guns do. There was also a variation that looked like a small Model 1911-type pistol (sort of). Here are a couple of them, at auction:

Erma Excam RX22 .22 LR:

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/914748536

American Arms Erma PX22 PX-22 LR:

ERMA-WERKE MOD. EP 452 KAL. .22LR:

https://www.kuldnebors.ee/search/ho...ction=show_post&pob_cat_id=10965&mec_lang_override=ru&srid=kb689168_ee_10965_ru

BigLoop22

 

Are the erma, iver, American arms, excam models smaller than a ppk? I feel like the iver johnson i saw seemed smaller than ppk. Bersa seems to be same size as ppk. I like the small aspect.

Do the erma, iver, aa, excam models all have the same size grip? Some look longer than others in pictures.

I really like the ppk more than the ppks, a smaller ppk clone would be a neat thing to have around.

 

94exa2,

I don't know. I have never been able to compare ant of these guns to each other. Now, if you want smaller, PPK-type gun, then you could search for a Walther TPH, in .22LR, or .25ACP:

http://www.littlegun.info/arme allemande/walther/a walther tph gb.htm

BigLoop22

 

I've owned the American Arms TP22. It's a cute pistol but lacks the quality of some of the other above mentioned pistols. The ones that have impressed me the most are the Walther TPH, The Beretta 21a, Beretta 948 or 70s and the Daewoo DP52 (more similar to the Walther PP in size). The Walther PP is a great choice as well but kind of pricey. The Astra Constable is another rock solid but larger .22lr worth looking for.

 

For size comparions ...

From left, Erma-Excam RX22, Grendel P-10, Walther TPH and Iver Johnson TP-22. The Grendel is .380 ACP, the others .22lr.

Of the three, the RX22 stands out for my use. Mainly due to the size - just right for carrying and shooting. The TPH and TP-22 are just a bit too small - great for concealment, but harder (for me, maybe not for you) to shoot. I've owned that RX since 1981 - its a high miler for me, getting a lot of carry time in the woods. The only ammunition it did not care for was the CCI Stinger - I guess the slightly longer case gave it indigestion.

If you do choose the TP-22, try to find the early glossy finished gun. One of my uncle's owned one and it was a jewel. The latter dull finished (like mine shown) seem to have some issues with functioning. Others may have different experience but that has been the case here.

Good luck with your choice. :t

 

From left, Erma-Excam RX22, Grendel P-10, Walther TPH and Iver Johnson TP-22. The Grendel is .380 ACP, the others .22lr.

Of the three, the RX22 stands out for my use. Mainly due to the size - just right for carrying and shooting. The TPH and TP-22 are just a bit too small - great for concealment, but harder (for me, maybe not for you) to shoot. I've owned that RX since 1981 - its a high miler for me, getting a lot of carry time in the woods. The only ammunition it did not care for was the CCI Stinger - I guess the slightly longer case gave it indigestion.

If you do choose the TP-22, try to find the early glossy finished gun. One of my uncle's owned one and it was a jewel. The latter dull finished (like mine shown) seem to have some issues with functioning. Others may have different experience but that has been the case here.

Good luck with your choice. :t

So the erma rx22 is bigger than the iver tp22? Just the grip? Or barrel slide too?
Its very hard to find information in these

 

Oh id love a Walther Tph, but they are too expensive for me. Used ones seem to go for more than a new 380 ppk.

So there's a tp22, rx22, px22 and cx22? Are there others that are pretty much the same? Are any of them "better" or higher quality than the others?

Where can I learn more about these?
I am very intrigued by the tp22 and its siblings

 

FWIW

I had an IJ TP22 for quite some years as my small carry. Never had to 'use it'. It was reliable, ate every HV I fed it and reasonable accurate within its purpose.
BUT, it chewed the web of my hand too many times, and I dont have overly large or fat hands. It required a very conscious hold on the grip, not a stick hand in pocket, pull and shoot.
Sold it after the last bite, got good money too, and bought Ruger LCP 380. NO issues ever, basically the same size/weight iirc, more accurate and I have much more faith in the new-gen 380s for 'social work' than any 22rf mouse gun. For my purposes it was a no-brainer, for the same kind of carry have the more efficient tool.
I have never regretted selling the TP.

 

So Iver Johnson Tp22 is smaller than Erma Rx22.
Anybody know if the Erma Rx22 is smaller than a Ppk, or same dimensions as Ppk?

 

A very fuzzy photograph, but . . .

. . . I think gets the idea across. The RX22 with Walther PP adjacent to it.

 

The IJ .22 is a bit smaller than a PPK. It is simpler in looks. The TPH is quite a bit smaller but would be the one you want. I lucked across both at a pawn shop awhile back. The IJ shoots o.k. with heavy trigger but did not have any issues. The TPH is a pleasure but with its size and the size of your hand it may lead to slide bite.

 

The TPH is a pleasure but with its size and the size of your hand it may lead to slide bite.

FWIW, the slide bite disappeared on my TPH after I (lightly) stoned the sharp edges on the rear of the slide.

 

The Bersa pistols aren't PPK "clones",,,

The Bersa pistols aren't PPK "clones",,,
The internals are not the same at all.

But the Bersa designer probably had a PPK on his desk,,,
When he designed the look of the guns.

My Bersa's (Thunder 380 and Thunder 22) perform perfectly,,,
Can't remember the last time they malfunctioned.

Aarond

.

 

Lost track of this thread but I picked up a near new Astra Constable made in 1974..%%%% fine little .22 It is the one on the left of course..Very high quality built..No potmetal in this one..Very reliable..

 

An older thread , I thought I might add a little to it.
from the top
IJ 22 lr
Walther TPH 22 lr
IJ 25 acp

 

Nice ones there..

Buddy has a IJ 22 version..But I have not been able to swindle it out of him, yet..LOL

 

Jeez, thanks for the interesting thread... Now I have to find a Daewoo DP-52... Dang the addiction is real...

 

I had a Walther TPH. I should have never let it go. The only weak point I saw was that the magazine floor plate was plastic and often broke, but I just glued it. Today, I imagine -3D printing would fix that quick. Mine was very accurate and reliable. But, I can't justify the price used ones bring now. The first ones were made in Germany. The stainless was made here in the USA.

 

Really dig the Daewoo DP52! Of my meager collection of PPKish pistols, the Daewoo is almost as nicely finished as the Walther/Manhurin versions. The FEG and Bersa are not as nicely finished, but the Bersa seems to be as accurate as the Walther. Of all, I like the Daewoo DP52, accurate, reliable and finished well.

 

I'm sorry sir - which pistol is the Daewoo ? I'm guessing the bottom one

 

Starting at 12 o'clock and moving clockwise, Walther (GSG) PPK/s, Beretta 70, Beretta 948, FEG SMC-22, Daewoo DP52, Walther Manhurin PP, Walther TPH. Finally found an affordable Astra Constable 22LR.

 

i didnt know there were so many ,

 

I had an Erma Excam which was a fun little gun. Eventually sold it.