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.22 Long vs .22 LR

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8.3K views 21 replies 11 participants last post by  RomeoEcho  
#1 ·
I was recently given a bunch of new CCI .22 Long copper-plated ammo, and was wondering whether there are any reasons not to use it in my two .22 rifles. I have an Anschutz 1441/42 and a Remington 513-T.

I have read some articles that suggest the .22 Long won't be as accurate, because the smaller bullet (22 grain) doesn't seat in the chamber as tightly and thus has a slight "wobble" upon leaving the barrel. Also, that the slightly lower velocity (than Mini-Mags) adversely affects accuracy. I'm only using the rifles for target shooting -- perhaps competitively if I can find anything in the DC area -- but not for hunting.

But beyond accuracy, will using .22 Long cause long-term mechanical/maintenance issues with these rifles?

Any thoughts on this?
 
#4 ·
Longs have the same case length as LR but they use the bullet from the 22 short (29 gr). The diameter is identical in all 3. The shorter bullet will have to make a jump from the case to the throat and that can affect accuracy but not always. There were many, many guns sold and advertised as short, long, long rifle. Longs can be very accurate but have gotten a bad rap since the only ones commonly available now are called CB's and have a velocity of 700 fps or so and noone loads a target Long.

Edit: Your only issue is going to be that they probably wont feed from any LR magazine but single shot is no problem.
 
#9 ·
Given Longs vs Shorts to use in a LR chamber Id surely take the Longs.
Iirc the Longs and Shorts have the same 29ish gr. bullet and velocity. Long ago old timer squirrel hunters often preferred Shorts (and by extension, Longs) because they bagged squirrels and the report didnt scare the rest off. Settle back and wait a bit and the others would come out pretty quick.
I wouldnt just burn em up plinking, Id use cheap LR for that and save the Longs for special occasions or trading stock.
 
#10 ·
These CCI .22 Longs have an muzzle velocity of 1215 fps -- so they're supersonic and just below CCI's 40gr Mini Mag round nose at 1235 fps. They look like they'll make fine target ammo, and if the groupings are akin to what I get with the Mini Mag HPs (which group tighter for me than the round nose), I think I might have found a new friend! It sounds like they'll work just fine in my two bolt-action rimfires.
 
#17 ·
I was recently given a bunch of new CCI .22 Long copper-plated ammo, and was wondering whether there are any reasons not to use it in my two .22 rifles. I have an Anschutz 1441/42 and a Remington 513-T.

I have read some articles that suggest the .22 Long won't be as accurate, because the smaller bullet (22 grain) doesn't seat in the chamber as tightly and thus has a slight "wobble" upon leaving the barrel. Also, that the slightly lower velocity (than Mini-Mags) adversely affects accuracy. I'm only using the rifles for target shooting -- perhaps competitively if I can find anything in the DC area -- but not for hunting.

But beyond accuracy, will using .22 Long cause long-term mechanical/maintenance issues with these rifles?

Any thoughts on this?
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#18 ·
Purely as an aside, back when Winchester was building some .22's specifically chambered for longs, they used a dif. twist than was normal for the LR or those guns chambered for shorts only or shorts, longs & LR. I want to say that it was 1:19 but I could be wrong. It's been a while since I had that conversation w/one of the best w/real Winchester knowledge whose handle was 'cowboy'. Sadly, he left the range a number of years ago, but he had the straight skinny on a lot of things Winchester that you'll not find in books by some that make the claim to be experts.
 
#19 ·
Maybe someone is 'up to snuff' on this interesting subject, I am not. I do have an old rifle chambered for "Longs" and not paying much attention to it I have fired both LR and Shorts in it. It is a single shot bolt action made by FN and the LR's chambered and fired OK with no problems, very accurate. I got some blow back from the shorts, not a real problem but I won't be firing shorts in it again. Fortunately I have a brick of Longs since they are hard to come by. I'll be watching this topic. There will be a scholar out there somewhere who has the 'skinny' on this.
 
#20 ·
Easy enough to 'tight patch' your rifle i.e., putting a tight fitting lightly oiled patch in from the breach end, making a mark w/a felt tip pen or even a lead pencil back toward the rod's handle on the rod and then laying a yard stick or rule of some sort alongside it and slowly push the rod into the bore until it has made a full revolution. Measure the distance it took to make a full revolution; it is your rate of twist. Then go on and finish pushing the patch thru the bbl.