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Winchester Model 1890 Indian rifle project (brass tacks, etc)

1.5K views 12 replies 3 participants last post by  Jdhasty  
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I been sitting here thinking that I’m gonna be down to just my half octagon Model 61 project soon. Everything else I’ve been entertaining myself with is starting to wrap up. So far as I have observed, there’s never been an idiom with more truth packed into as few words as Idle hands make work for the devil. That certainly applies to me. In spades.

So… I’ve got this 1890 butt stock and slide action handle wood sitting here. It’s been down at the end of my work area and not in the Bucket O’ Stocks in the garage with stocks I consider to more or less be junk.

The butt stock has been slab split from the tang through the butt and “frontier repaired. The tang screw hole has been ratted out to about a half inch from front to rear too. The slide handle wood has the area around the escutcheons all ratted out. Both are as solid as a brand new axe handle otherwise.

It had a couple wood screws through the grip, one from each side. The grip had once again been split post repair of the slab split and returning to service. I epoxied up the split and put one if the screws back in and then clamped it in my woodworker’s vise over night. Then filed the screw head to the contour of the grip. I’ll put a wood screw in the hole on the other side and file the head on it too. I’m going to rust them up with hydrogen peroxide to age them.

Next I used auto painter’s tape and masked off the stock around where wood was missing along the front of the lower tang, waxed up a trigger guard and filled in where the wood is missing with brown Pro Bed with about 10% black Pro Bed mixed in to darken it.

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That’s brown Pro Bed on the right. It’s obviously too light to match this stock well. It’s left from another project I was working on this morning. What’s on the left is what I mixed up for this project.
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I’m looking around for a complete and mechanically solid (good magazine Ring dovetails and stuff like that), but real rough outside 1890 in 22 Short or 22 LR. 22 Short or Long that has been reamed to LR would be fine too. I don’t need, or necessarily want, a stock or forearm. I would like to get a well used crescent butt plate though.

What I’m after is something that I can put a liner in the barrel and end up with a good shooter. So, the barrel needs to be straight. Roll marks on the tangs and barrel can be beyond hope, in fact the more worn they are in that regard the better. If anyone comes across something like that I’d appreciate knowing about it.

I intend to decorate the stock with brass tacks, paint etc. and make an “Indian rifle.”
 
#2 · (Edited)
The Pro Bed will darken when I polish it after it cures. What I did was to go down and whittle it away with a utility knife after about six hours to (in this case) its final form. If this were to be a stock I did not intentionally want to look distressed, I would have left it proud, but would still pare it down while the bedding compound is fully set, but not cured. That saves a lot of file, rasp and sand paper work.

I intend to put a few phony scratches and dents in it before I’m done. I’ll find the right slotted screw to put in this hole.
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I‘m particularly fond of the initials carved in the stock. Hydrogen peroxide will probably rust the screw head up nicely. If not, I have a few other tricks up my sleve.
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This is the result of a loose tang screw. It’s really bad. We will deal with it once I’ve got a victim in hand. I want it right, bedded to the actual trigger guard tangs we will be using, but I don’t want anyone to see that it is right. That tang is going to be fully supported, like it should be, and the tang bolt will be so tight in the hole that it will be a near interference fit in the stock. I’ll show you how I do that w/o gluing the tang bolt in permanently when I do it. Trust me, it is easier to glue one in than not, irrespective of what you use for release agent, if you want it to be a tight fit like it should be.
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I like to strip the stock an then use Acraglas gel, stained with a drop or two of Rustoelum 1 hour stain that I use to refinish the rest of the stock. If there are large holes or chips, I use hardwood edge banding material for plywood and line-up the grain, then feather-in the ends with an artist brush and acrylic paint. You can stain the stock, and use a smartphone color matching app in daylight to match the light a dark highlights and order small sample cans from Home Depot. Here is an example: https://www.rimfirecentral.com/posts/12878779/
 
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Found a gooned butt plate screw to use on the left side of the wrist. I knew I had to have one here somewhere. I filed it down a bit and put hydrogen peroxide on the screw heads and it’s out in the back yard. Should have some nice rust in a few hours.
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The Bondo job is blending in. I’ve been putting Pro Custom oil on it w/o washing my hands first. I’m going to give that Pro Bed a few more days to cure then distress it a bit.
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The screw heads are rusting up nicely. The butt plate screw is starting to get some going on the area I left the bluing on. Its been in the damp garage, I’ll give it week or so then move it into the house and just let the rust slowly develop on it. Once I'm satisfied I’ll give it the kerosene/linseed oil treatment. I’m not big on vinegar/salt in the first place, in this case, since I want the bluing under the rust vinegar would screw that up anyway. I just don‘t care for the use of salt anywhere near a wood stock. Maybe it’s OK and you can get it all gone, but I’m satisfied letting others experiment with that.
 
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This is a better photo of the ratted out tang screw hole. I repaired what I could at this time with Devcon Two Ton epoxy. The stock was split from stem to stern. The “frontier repair” is absolutely solid and the stock is solid as can be. The split is clearly visible, as are the pins used for the repair.
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The fresh file marks in the wood will cover just fine. When I card the screw head and put some kerosene and linseed oil on the screw it will dirty it up real nice. I wanted the screw head to look like it wore down from handling.
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Rusting perfectly, once it is covering all of the bright and more into the bluing I’ll set it in the garage for a week or two and let it get some depth and even look before carding it and putting linseed oil on it.
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My inclination is that the stock was completely split, repaired and there had been a screw put in then the head was filed down to match the grip contour at both locations the screws occupied holes in the wrist when I got it. Then, at a future time, the rifle was used with the tang bolt loose, which resulted in ratting out the hole and damaging the wood on both sides where the receiver was levered down into it… AND THEN it suffered another catastrophic event resulting in that split the wrist. The initial incident resulting in the slab split impresses me as horse related damage. The second, who knows? But in order to effect a repair subsequent to the wrist being split, the screws put in during the first repair had to go. That explains the stock being all dug out. In order to get the screws out the surgeon probably had to use a pliers because the slot was either completely gone or mostly gone. In order to get hold of what was there to be got, some wood had to go.

When I got it it had a pair of flat head countersink wood screws. Both with the head proud of the wood. I reused used one and replaced the other with a gooned butt plate screw.

i don’t want anything that looks like a contemporary repair. The butt plate screw will help with that I hope.
 
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Well, nothing much happening other than I set the pump handle escutcheons in epoxy so they are solid, but did it in a way that it doesn’t show on the exterior. I haven’t yet located a suitable donor but not for lack of effort.

As a by product of my search I did pick up a nice Second Model 1890 and bought a Model 61 for way under market price. The 1890 needs a liner in the barrel, I’m thinking I want to keep it otherwise original. Not as easy as it sounds when friends are already egging me on. I haven’t seen the 61, but it was described as 85% w/perfect bore. I‘m not inclined to do anything to a rifle like that other than give it a good cleaning. If it’s not in the condition described, I can back out and have my money refunded.
 
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I picked up a Second Model and am going to utilize it. It's pretty rough looking, about what I was after. I put a 1:20 liner in the barrel, it's just hanging out until I fetch my '06 barrel home and put a liner in it. That way I can set both up and chamber them at the same time.