Yes. But why not call them all either a 1710 or a 1712. What is the purpose of having two different models? Thanks.

 

1710 Silhouette? That would be perfect.....

 

That would be a 1710 DKL without sights, which would be a 1712 Silhouette. I think we are going around in circles...

 

I was actually thinking of the 1710 as having a heavier barrel than the 1712.

I guess you could remove the sights on the DKL but then you have the holes in the barrel and the rear sight cut....

The 1710-1712 Schnabel stock is, to my eye, one beautifully designed stock and it's very comfortable to shoot offhand. There would be a lot more of them on the silhouette line if the weight wasn't a problem.

 

Yes. The 1712 is called the Silhouette. That would be shooting small steel targets that fall over when shot- if I am not mistaken (I may be-no expert). Well, why is the 1712 better for shooting Silhouettes than the 1710? I guess what I am asking, is whom is the 1710 marketed for, and same thing for the 1712.

 

The 1712 has a shorter barrel and no sights, that affects the balance and possibly overall weight as well as, at least in theory, less time in the barrel for the bullet to be influenced by the shooter, and a 2 stage trigger.
The 1710 is a traditional hunting rifle with sights and standard single stage trigger (usually).
Both can be used for Metallic Silhouette but the 1712 was purposely designed for that type of competition.

 

Germans love numbers, codes, etc.

 

There are several members of RFC who are very active silhouette competitors, including at least one national champion, who could definitively answer this question but I'll take a crack at it.

The rules for Smallbore Hunter Rifle class limit the weight of the rifle to 8 1/2 pounds with sights. The 1712 is a 7 1/4 pound rifle where the 1710 Heavy Barrel is an 8 pound rifle. This allows the 1712 to make weight after adding a light silhouette scope and lightweight high rings (up to 1 1/2 inches from the top of the receiver to the bottom of the scope tube), which many experienced silhouette shooters prefer. Anschutz is making the 1712 as heavy as possible, yet still allow it to make weight in Hunter Class with reasonable sights.

Second, the 1712 stock is designed with a high cheek piece, but with a lower butt (more drop at the heel and toe) than the 1710. This stock allows for a more upright head position when coupled with high rings, which allows ones eyes to be more level and neck more relaxed, conducive to good offhand shooting. The raised sight line also serves to lower the center of gravity of the rifle, which is helpful. At the same time, the lower butt of the 1712 stock allows for a more relaxed shoulder position while shooting standing.

In summary, the 1712 is made as heavy as possible while still allowing it to make weight with a scope and with a stock that is more comfortable for offhand shooting. That is my take.

 

There are several members of RFC who are very active silhouette competitors, including at least one national champion, who could definitively answer this question but I'll take a crack at it.

The rules for Smallbore Hunter Rifle class limit the weight of the rifle to 8 1/2 pounds with sights. The 1712 is a 7 1/4 pound rifle where the 1710 Heavy Barrel is an 8 pound rifle. This allows the 1712 to make weight after adding a light silhouette scope and lightweight high rings (up to 1 1/2 inches from the top of the receiver to the bottom of the scope tube), which many experienced silhouette shooters prefer. Anschutz is making the 1712 as heavy as possible, yet still allow it to make weight in Hunter Class with reasonable sights.

Second, the 1712 stock is designed with a high cheek piece, but with a lower butt (more drop at the heel and toe) than the 1710. This stock allows for a more upright head position when coupled with high rings, which allows ones eyes to be more level and neck more relaxed, conducive to good offhand shooting. The raised sight line also serves to lower the center of gravity of the rifle, which is helpful. At the same time, the lower butt of the 1712 stock allows for a more relaxed shoulder position while shooting standing.

In summary, the 1712 is made as heavy as possible while still allowing it to make weight with a scope and with a stock that is more comfortable for offhand shooting. That is my take.

Got it. Thank you! Sounds like the 1712 is designed with a very specific purpose in mind, (but still works for other applications) where the 1710 is more for the average shooter, hunter.

 

To those who understand the rationale behind Anschutz's naming/numbering schemes for guns and parts at any point in time, much less over time:

"You're a better man than I am, Gunga Din".

 

And then forgotten it seems is the 1710 sporter, lighter barrel than the 1712 in a classic stock that is ideal to carry in the squirrel woods. It's one of my favorites.
Thinking back the last one I purchased is always my favorite at the time of purchase. The 54 actions are so slick, so smooth that one or two or three are never enough.
I'm happy that they make many different models. That said the sporters are no longer offered and I'm pleased that I have one.

 

And then forgotten it seems is the 1710 sporter, lighter barrel than the 1712 in a classic stock that is ideal to carry in the squirrel woods.

The 1710 sporter doesn't have a lighter barrel than the 1712.

The 1710 sporter is the 1710 DKL, with open sights and the same Monte Carlo, Schnabel foreend stock as the 1712. Unless there was a different model in the past, the current model's barrel is (584mm or 23" long. The 1712's is 560mm or 22". Both have an 18mm muzzle diameter. The 1712 FWT barrel was the shortest of the 17xx models at 549mm or 21.6". It also had a 18mm muzzle.

 

. . . and don't forget to explain the 1712 FWT . . .

(FeatherWeighT)

 

. . . and don't forget to explain the 1712 FWT . . .

(FeatherWeighT)

If we start including rifles no longer in the Anschutz catalog this discussion will never end.

 

The barrel on my 1712 is .705 1" back from the muzzle
The barrel on my 1710 classic sporter is .670 1" back from the muzzle
The barrel on the 1710 classic sporter is also approximately 2.5" longer than the 1712.