More than capable? In who's eyes? I haven't seen anything that makes me think they will be any better than any current actions being produced. Barrels and bullets thats what it's all about.

 

Seems like there're more keyboard marksmen than actual shooters. I can appreciate the effort of a niche manufacturer, and especially their participation in discussions like this.

(post edited as this discussion has drastically altered my knowledge on these matters, original post below)
Assuming you mean vudoo, as stated above, there's nothing (other than price) that makes them special.

My impression is they are the "daniel defence" of rimfire. Great quality, for sure. Plenty of similar (or arguably better) quality for much more reasonable prices.

 

Assuming you mean vudoo, as stated above, there's nothing (other than price) that makes them special.

My impression is they are the "daniel defence" of rimfire. Great quality, for sure. Plenty of similar (or arguably better) quality for much more reasonable prices.

Impression? How many have you actually seen? Handled?

MB

 

I wasn't aware of any significant price difference from the Turbo or the Stiller 2500X

 

In our monty USBR match we now have about 20% of the rifles being shot are Vudoo's with more on the way.

Just a F.Y.I. we don't allow mechanical front rests (bipods only) or tuners.
Because of that we haven't seen any full on benchrest rifles show up (the Turbos and Stiller types in benchrest stocks).

So far the Vudoos have not been able to score quite as well as the Anschutz rifles which make up about 50% of our rifles.
The rest are mostly Win 52's, and an occasional Rem 37/40x, Kimber 82g's and HS's, along with the odd Suhl or Martini.

However I expect our Vudoo shooters to catch up at some point this year because they as a group, are less experienced.

Smooth

 

I think the Vudoo attraction is their use in multiple shooting disciplines where the accuracy requirements are reduced.

 

As it relates to the repeaters, they are leaders in the disciplines you' re referring to, but these same repeaters are turning in respectable scores and some have won BR matches with them. The single shot is doing even better.

MB

 

Yessir, they are certainly capable and the number of guys using them in BR is rising. There are a couple of respected and capable builders finishing up rifles, so you'll see the numbers climbing.

MB

 

I believe the Vudoo V22S single shot BR barreled action has been available only since about October 2020. If it's going to make a name for itself in top level BR competition it will take a little more time than the three months that it's been available. In addition, it may take time for Vudoo users to establish themselves among top level shooters.

 

^^^^Highly sound thinking/perspective....

MB

 

Barrels and bullets

 

The Vudoo single shot is available with a Shilen ratchet barrel and a Flavio Fare trigger with the proper cocking piece.

Scroll down for the single shot barreled action here:

https://vudoogunworks.com/action/v-22-barreled-actions/

Mike, are you going to offer the single shot in a benchrest stock?
I don't know why I don't have one.

The targets I've seen shot by Vudoos on the various forums are impressive.

 

The V-22S builds available from St. George won't be in a BR stock, but what's available from Ivan Wells is. Jamie Burgess makes the stocks and they're awesome.

The builds are coming together beautifully; Evelio is one of the builders working with the V-22S and we speak somewhat regularly. He loves what he sees in the action and of course, what Ivan does is world class.

MB

 

Not true at all. If they are so game changing they should win right out of the gate. Especially since they're in so called capable hands. We will see what happens , my guess nothing earth shattering.

 

What's "not true" and who in this thread used the words "game changing?" What exactly are you replying to?

MB

 

I only shoot fun benchrest matches at my gun club, 52's and 40X's mostly so take my opinion for what it costs.

I see the Vudoo and the RimX actions providing more options for shooters to build on and IMO that's a good thing. Time will tell how they stack up against the current top actions.

I wish them both luck. :bthumb:

 

Barrels, Bullets and Actions not really

To put everything in perspective, lets not try and compare the top tier shooters to club level shooters and in that being said the same goes for rifles being used and shot at both levels.

to think all you need is a certain action/rifle and you will start to be competitive, well not going happen unless you have the skills to use it.
barrels and bullets is fairly accurate, as any action can win, but what is being overlooked is the main component and this is the shooter.

Only way any action/rifle will become popular is if it wins and only the owner/shooters of those rifles will determine that outcome.

I suggest all the new Br shooters go read the BAR thread below this one.

Lee

 

If it's not game changing then why build it?

 

Nothing is our sport is game changing other than the development of the tuner and that was quite a while ago. Progress is measured in baby steps. A little bit here, a little bit there and after a while it starts to add up.

 

If you find the appropriate stock l think the Vudoo barreled action could be a great choice. Mine is in a chassis and is my most accurate. 22 .

 

A LOT[/B] of work prior to any barrel work being done. So, if the action has nothing to do with what happens down-range, why go through all this trouble? Why not just put a premium barrel that's received premium work on a Savage Mk 2 action?
MB

I know of a very famous and capable BR builder who didn't do anything to the Stiller 2500X action. True story: One of the first 2500X actions was sent to my smith. He put on a Rock Creek barrel that had been rejected by another of his customers, put on a Harell's tuner and put it in a BR stock that was bedded for a Turbo action. He invited me to shoot the rifle and said "Don't expect any accuracy I just threw this together, I just want your opinion of the action." I then proceeded to shoot a 250 with a decent X count (can't remember the exact #). I turned to him and offered to buy the rifle right then. He said, "Let me think about it." He then bedded the stock to the 2500X. He told me he did absolutely nothing to the action.

I shot that rifle for the rest of that year and did well with it. The following year I used it to win the IR50/50 Unlimited Nationals. It was the best shooting rifle I ever shot and I had extreme confidence in it. My smith told me several times that the 2500X was ready to go out of the box. He never said that about the Turbo and he built for me a very nice shooting winner Turbo Sporter.

 

I know of a very famous and capable BR builder who didn't to anything to the Stiller 2500X action. True story: One of the first 2500X actions was sent to my smith. He put on a Rock Creek barrel that had been rejected by another of his customers, put on a Harell's tuner and put it in a BR stock that was bedded for a Turbo action. He invited me to shoot the rifle and said "Don't expect any accuracy I just threw this together, I just want your opinion of the action." I then proceeded to shoot a 250 with a decent X count (can't remember the exact #). I turned to him and offered to buy the rifle right then. He said, "Let me think about it." He then bedded the stock to the 2500X. He told me he did absolutely nothing to the action.

I shot that rifle for the rest of that year and did well with it. The following year I used it to win the IR50/50 Unlimited Nationals. It was the best shooting rifle I ever shot and I had extreme confidence in it. My smith told me several times that the 2500X was ready to go out of the box. He never said that about the Turbo and he built for me a very nice shooting winner Turbo Sporter.

That's a pretty cool experience and it sounds like you enjoyed participating in your 'smiths experiment....glad it turned out the way it did. But, it also sounds like it wasn't your 'smiths typical approach and I wonder how many were built that way that was as successful as yours.

MB

 

Some of this may boil down to what you can actually get. The 2500X is available, you can get one today. I know of no place you can get a barrel without going on a waiting list. I do not know what the Vudoo situation is currently but suspect there is a waiting time there too.

 

Well i hope your right because i just orderd a barrelled action with a shillen ratchet. I sure hope it is what i expect

 

You will always have a direct line to me or anyone at Vudoo if you need anything. My email is mike@vudoogunworks.com....

MB

 

Ruffis, we have worked with almost everything that is being shot in rimfire benchrest with the exception of the stiller. We would have a 2500 but at the time we was building a new rifle the 2500 was out of stock so we went with the V3. With that being said the V-22s is right on par with all thats out there. In several ways it on a different level. I can say this because I have seen the work Ivan has put into it first hand. The V-22s will be fine.
Todd

 

It's very difficult for many, many shooters to evaluate the quality of their rifles. I can cite many examples of rifles that I tested that my 'smith built that were capable of winning at the highest levels of the sport. The problem was - - the shooter wasn't. If one thinks it's hard for a shooter to admit that the rifle they spent big bucks on isn't up to snuff, it's even harder for some shooters to admit that THEY aren't up to snuff.

When I got out of the sport 5 years ago, I sold both my 10.5 lb rifles including the Stiller (the other was a Turbo). In both cases those rifles never made it back to the top level of competition. For both rifles I told the buyer (both new shooters) not to do anything to them, that they were perfectly tuned and all they needed to do was feed it quality ammo (lot tested) and learn to read their wind flags and dope the wind. I know in one case the buyer didn't take my advise and altered it. Such a pity. I have no idea what happened to my 2500X rifle. To the best of my knowledge, the new owner never competed with it. That one I regret selling. That rifle deserved to be owned by someone who wanted to compete and was committed to winning. Another pity. I got top dollar for it, but I think now I would have taken less $ if I could have sold it to a good shooter.

 

ruffis—
What kind of turnaround and delivery did they give you with Shilen barrel —
That’s how I would order it — thx

 

ruffis-
What kind of turnaround and delivery did they give you with Shilen barrel -
That's how I would order it - thx

Hey Terry, if you get one I would be curious as to how it shoots!

Lee

 

Lee...If Ivan Wells builds a rifle it is going to be a killer shooter, no doubt about that. The lack of current results may be that at least pre-vudoo you had to buy his complete package rifle/stock/rest and the cost was in the vicinity of $10,000 from what I have heard.

 

John, I understand about his rifles built on non-V22S actions. but from what is being said on how this V22S needs very little work if any, why are there no information coming from shooters, with as little work that is needed how can 10K be justified?
I can see 6-7K so there has to be some takers?
there is a ton on the repeater. a lot has been written about the others actions needing a lot of work, but they have established history of how they perform in matches, so we are to just accept what is being said about the V22S without any history on it?

I am just looking at this for what it is. I sold my Falcon as a complete package for $2900 and you seen how a fairly new shooter has done with it, so for twice or even triple the money he would have had double or three times better results?

Just trying to understand what is being stated here and what it is being based on.

Lee

 

16 weeks

 

Lee...If you shoot 200 ARA targets a year it becomes a big deal to raise your agg 50 points. That is an improvement of one shot per target and sometimes a better rifle is the answer. The deeper you get into this game the harder it is to improve, as Bill says it's that last couple of % that comes the hardest. Accuracy costs money and the curve can get pretty steep at the upper end. Your 3K gets the first 95% and anything more than that will be the luck of the draw or more $$$$. The most bang for your buck will always be working on being a better shooter and not the equipment.

 

^^^^Amen.

MB

 

Lee...As far as I am concerned the Vudoo is a proven action. It has a number of features better than the old 40-X and even the Lonestar, both of which have been/and are competitive. Any given barrel/ammo should do just as well in the Vudoo as it would in any other action.

I'm presently working with a Falcon/Broughton I like a lot. Waiting on test center ammo delivery.

 

Hi Lee,
About a month ago, I had the chance to re-barrel a V22S that was set up for F class and steel plate matches, it had a Krieger 26" long super heavy barrel, and a stock set up with a big fixed bipod. The owner wanted to start shooting benchrest, so the stock was replaced with one of Jamie's stock, and the barrel replaced with a Benchmark 3 groove 24"long and the Nevius chamber. I went over the whole action trying to find something wrong with it, but no luck, it is smooth as butter, and the bolt can be taken apart with your hands, no tools or jigs needed, it also comes with 6 different firing pin springs of different weights that can be change in a jiffy. I have 2500, Turbos, Anschutz and 40X's but I fell in love with this action. I shot several groups with Center X, and Midas + most of them in the .100" I was really impressed.
The matches in Texas don't start till next month, so hopefully will have some results to talk about.
I am also in the process of building 3 more complete guns with this new actions, and of course one for myself, they will have BM 3G barrels, I wanted to try the Shilen but there are none available.
By the way, there will be no extra work done in the action, it will be used as it came from VGW. I should have one ready by next week, and you will be one of the first one to hear the results.
Regards,
Evelio.

 

Thanks Evelio, as we discussed in our emails, I like to see how these perform and I am sure it will shoot really good if your are doing the barrel. by how much more than the other actions, that is my question.

Lee