I could not do that at 50 feet

 

It's a different game than shooting for group size.
Groups can wander around and still make you feel like you accomplished something.
The Grid is about Rule #1....Hit what you aim at.
Can you? Or can't you? If not, what was the cause?
Shooter? Rifle? Setup? Wind? Ammunition?
This simple target has forced me to look at all of the above
and focus on the details that collectively affect results.

 

I'll print one up, throw it in the target bag, and perhaps we'll try it but I know from experience an inch around POA was typical at 50yds (so that's 2MOA?) for our match rifle (10/22), pretty much regardless of ammo except for fliers.

So a target like that would look like it's been hit by a shotgun blast!

 

No printing E.
Just a grid on cardboard.
Cheap and effective.
With bulk ammo a 2.5 to 3 inch spacing is needed.
With competition ammo, 1.5 inch spacing will do.

 

One of the guys at the range (Bob) has a great story , I hear quite often, I guy was shooting his 22 rifle at the 25 yd target, he had according to Bob a rather somewhat dismal day, as he was packing up, he showed his target to Bob, he had circled the worse shots and had numbered them, he then said “except for those 27 fliers, I had a great day”, with a very stern straight face. Bob was unsure if he was joking or serious, he was serious.

 

I have some similar diy targets, multiple circles with an X crossing each, that I tried shooting (at...) with the air rifle, benched, at 25yd.
Humbling.

 

It ain't easy G, not at all.
Lotsa folks claim they can produce submoa all day long at 50 yards with the ammo the rifle likes.
I gotta tell ya', it's way harder than ya' might think. In order to maintain submoa with the Grid at 50 yards,
for every shot, center of impact must be less than 0.26 inches from a grid intersect. I can't get it done,
not with 50 shots, most times not even for 5 consecutive shots, and that is on a really good day.

What is nice about the Grid, waiting out the wind slows my rate of fire.
I'm consuming much less ammunition per hour of range time.

Also, fewer empty printer ink/paper warnings.
Always cardboard handy and the lines can be drawn with marker, pencil, ink, chalk or crayon.
I do prefer to minimize my expenses in order to pay for better ammo.

 

I checked and don't have pics of our 50yd silhouette targets. (I love iPhone "maps" pics, so you can check by location..)

I asked if my daughter does, though. She often took pics of targets.

Shooting ~1" targets, it would often take 2-3 shots to "nail them".. Again, stock 10/22, but a range of ammo. Blazer is our general plinking ammo but also Super-X, MiniMags, and CCI SV. I don't recall ever keeping score out there, it was just for fun.

With a good stockpile of Eley, SK, and SV now, we're going to have to have a more organized/disciplined day of testing, if we expect it to affect our matches. Well, her matches. I'm never going to approach her..

 

Same as the green monster.

Issue isn’t weather I can sit down and do 5-10 round groups in small clusters. That’s the easy part persay, BUT!!!!! When you go to changing the whole setup from shot to shot ………A whole new set of variables come into play.

Your wanting “50” x’s and I’m not sure that’s even possible with center fire at center fire distances much less rimfire at rimfire distance.




"The biggest communication problem is we don't listen to understand, we listen to reply"

 

Same objective PS.
Hit where y'er aiming.
No proprietary target involved.
Minimal target expense, recycle the cardboard when done.
The shift in body position turns out to be the least of my problems.
Same procedure as the return to battery with a mechanical rest.
Fine tune, adjust, wait for the wind, squeeze.
What is different is you don't get to hide minor issues within the cover of a number of other shots.
Groups allow that, the Grid doesn't. I hear the excuse that the shift in aim position is a big deal.
Actually, chambering a cartridge and cycling the bolt is the biggest change in body position, not aiming.
Set y'er smart phone to record video and watch y'erself load, aim, squeeze, reload, aim, squeeze again.
Aiming is easy, turns out that ammo quality and wind are my two biggest annoyances.

With every shot visible, not hidden on the outer edge of 4 other shots,
the Grid makes it extremely difficult to claim submoa "all day long".
No matter how much y'er rifle likes a particular brand of ammo.

 

I know and understand that ammo variables will be or is number one on the list. Your “NOT” getting any arguments out of me.

I’m just saying it’s the same as shooting the green monster.
I Haven’t ever seen a 25x yet.


"The biggest communication problem is we don't listen to understand, we listen to reply"

 

Small targets, one shot at each.

The benchrest shooters have targets that take one shot at each bull. I shot IR 50/50 for some years. Some shooters will score a perfect 250/25x. They are using very good rifles, with the best of ammunition and have a lot of wind flags out.

The idea of shooting at the intersections on a grid is a good one. Take the time to draw it with rulers and hang it plumb. The rifle at the bench will be able to align the scope cross hairs with the lines on the target etc.

 

We agree, it's the Monster X 2, without any need for scoring.
Spend all morning with a single box of 50, working on improving my skills.
Now if there was only some way to improve cheap ammo.

I really need one of those "magic" rifles that can fix mv spread and cartridge defects.

 

What! You don't have an auto loader with a 30" barrel?

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"The biggest communication problem is we don't listen to understand, we listen to reply"

 

I found anything that feeds from a magazine or tube, detracts from accuracy.
If the semiauto bolt is slapping back and forth, my results get sloppy.

I'll stick with hand feeding, one cartridge at a time, into my bolt actions.

 

It was a joke……………I digress…….

"The biggest communication problem is we don't listen to understand, we listen to reply"

 

Yes it was....the smilies with tears running down their cheeks, might have been a clue.

Still, it did give me a nudge to bring up a point, regarding me and semi-autos.
I need all the advantages I can get, when working the Grid. :t

 

This is my latest rimfire hobby.
50 shots at 50 yards with a scoped rifle or pistol, any rimfire caliber.
...
Can you hit where you aim?
Apparently, I can't. I can produce some nice 5 shot groups,
but putting a shot where the crosshairs are is a problem.

It kicks my butt, every time.

Will it kick yours?

Folks like to claim "all day long",
with this target, I have trouble shot to shot.

How is a grid target like this evaluated? Is it binary -- a hit or a miss?

Unless I'm reading things wrong, of the forty shots shown on the target in the first post, there don't appear to be any hits where the crosshairs presumably should be, i.e. where the grid lines intersect. Is this a 0/40? Or is there a more desirable way to record results?

If it's simply hit or miss, such a target would kick almost anyone's butt, especially if the shooter isn't skilfully using a good rifle with very good ammo.

 

PG, it can be scored by measuring from center of hole to intersect.
It can be binary, hit or miss, or in my case, I can look at each shot
and figure out what caused the bullet to hit where it did.
Was it me? Was it a poor wind call? Was it the cartridge?
And it can be used to measure aggregate spread both vertical and horizontal,
either for 5 shot runs or the entire box of 50, as referenced to the grid lines.
I still keep track of 50 shot group sizes of the different cartridges I use, for comparison.

Al, this is just another excuse to put in time behind the trigger.
Cheap target and a way to track results over time.
I can use it at 50 or 100 yards, depending on my ammo quality.
I do have some SK left and quite a few boxes of Eley.

Besides, I have to track the round count on that factory 455 22lr barrel.
Working on the second thousand rounds sent with the primer residue polishing out the rifling.
Getting my money's worth out of the Teslong.

 

It can be scored by measuring from center of hole to intersect.
It can be binary, hit or miss, or in my case, I can look at each shot
and figure out what caused the bullet to hit where it did.
Was it me? Was it a poor wind call? Was it the cartridge?
And it can be used to measure aggregate spread both vertical and horizontal,
either for 5 shot runs or the entire box of 50, as referenced to the grid lines.
I still keep track of 50 shot group sizes of the different cartridges I use, for comparison.

This is just another excuse to put in time behind the trigger.
Cheap target and a way to track results over time.
I can use it at 50 or 100 yards, depending on my ammo quality.
I do have some SK left and quite a few boxes of Eley.

I like it - One of my projects is to document the "real" experience of each rimfire I have and I feel this would be a great way to do it. I thought about using the "Green Monster" target but I like your suggested target and method. :bthumb:

I see this as a great way for me to put in more time behind the trigger(s) while building shooting skills, obtaining documented results for each rifle, and yes . . . keeping one humble in the process. :t It will also be great "target" for my (me myself & I) competitions pitting 2-3 firearms against each other.

 

I already have a few copies of the "green monster" that I printed in my target bag, so I guess this is pretty much the same.

(target bag = I scored a nice "artists portfolio" for cheap at Hobby Lobby a few months back..)

 

I have used one of those to carry targets in for years and it works better than anything else I have tried. I have been doing the grid thing now and then also. When there is no cardboard to be had I resort to the cheapest of white poster paper to be found at the Lobby.

 

This is a USBR target shot in the last 2weeks by a fellow range member of mine practicing for our monthly USBR match.

The photo was taken to show what we use to score the targets.
(Target scoring Board, Killough's Scoring Plug, and a Jewelers 10X 8 Led Lighted Magnifier.)

The photo wasn't taken to show the actual target, so you'll need to blow it a up a bit to check it out.

So this it what a 249-11X looks like.

Not 50 rounds, and even if duplicated for a total of 50 rounds, it would have missed a bunch of those cross points.

So just posting it for a bit of F.Y.I.

Smooth

This combo of the scoring board, scoring plug that measures exactly .224 of an inch, and a lighted magnifier provides insures accurate scoring.

 

This is a USBR target shot in the last 2weeks by a fellow range member of mine practicing for our monthly USBR match

This is at 50 or 100?

We'd be lucky to hit each outer ring, let alone the X, even at 50 (or indoors @25, for that matter)!

 

I just knew smooth was gonna do that.
That's right...squeeze a bit more lemon in that laceration.

I keep trying for those results but it just isn't happening.

Might be the cheap ammo, might be my less than stellar wind skills.

 

At 50yds, which is what the target was designed for.
Pretty nice shooting for sure.

This is the Vudoo that shot the target using this exact setup shooting Lot Tested Midas Plus.

This is the other rifle that has shot that same number (249-7X). Anschutz 54:30 in a 1914 stock shooting Lot Tested RWS R50.

On a side note:
All of our top shooters are currently using SEB Joy-Pods. Makes you wonder why you would need a massive Tripod front rests, or One Piece Rests.
As a group we have all used some, or all of these other bi-pods before settling on the SEB.
Sinclair F-Class, Tier-One EVO, Rempel, Phoenix, Atlas, Harris, plus a couple of home made Steam Punk contraptions.
Our match rules require using a Bi-Pod.

Smooth

 

Remember the USBR X requires the 10ring to be wiped out. 50 shots on the GRID all touching the intersection could score a pair of 250-0-X USBR targets.

 

I'd be happy being able to keep my shots impacting within a 0.30" radius of the intersects.
But mistiming the squeeze with respect to wind, mv spread and odd strays, it ain't happening.
Doesn't stop me from trying.

 

So....if Im getting this right....
Any hits on the intersect are Pure Chance?
Lol

 

Lol

 

Let me put it this way, G,
Every time I punch center, it's a surprise.