It's all about testing your own rifle when it comes to the barrel band. Some rifles will shoot fine with while others improve without it. Once you see what the rifle prefers and if it doesn't like the band you can always sand out the band that touches the barrel so it still looks stock. Just have to take it slow and keep checking it.

 

SNAITn,

a que or two first, if you dont mind. ??

did you wanna keep the band on becuz it will keep the original look ?? sorry re-read your post and you answered that, LOL.

do you have your gun set up already ??

is the GM bbl fluted or straight tapered. may make a diff. the diff being, the ridges on the flutes. the band may not slide over a fluted bbl, and may scratch the finish esp if it is blued . tried one once, a fluted tapered keeping the band and had to grind the heck out of the band so where it was free floating. think i have a pic somewhere. let me look and will be back regardless. okay, found it, but this is with the old tupperware and the GM tapered bbl.

if ya wanna, would be nice if you had two bands. try asking around. guys will send you one free, then you can xperiment; with / with out, or one relieved. that would be the only way to tell on a stocker. tried both ways on a factory gun and one liked it the other didn't. kinda hit and miss. but with a GM bbl, the band may be negligible if you decide to float the bbl.

but just for nostalgia, i'd go for it. you would have the "ultimate" SStocker sleeper. JMO, which is about .22 cents worth

rico....

 

Heheh, don't you hate it when you answer your own questions? Yep, it's strictly a looks thing. I just like the idea of it being close to the standard "carbine" look that I had when I was a kid (although in stainless, not blue).
You have a very good point about the flutes though... you'd think that ground out flutes wouldn't make a difference, since I assumed that they're ground from standard contour barrels... however I bet when they grind them it changes the profile of the barrel.
That being the case, do you think that a non-fluted sporter contour would be a better way to go?
Opps!! Now YOU got me on the post jumping!! I think a 16.5 non fluted may be easier to work without too too much grinding necessary, what do you think? I can't see the weight being too much of a difference.

 

Well shoot... I don't think they MAKE a non-fluted stainless, does anyone know where one could come upon a 16inch-ish stainless steel GM sporter? Only company I've found so far is Shooter Discount. May be that I'll HAVE to try the fluted one. Whatdaya think?

 

Here ya go...it's 20" long but you could always have it cut down.

http://www.hornetproducts.com/ViewProduct.asp?ModelNumber=901914

 

SnaitN,

just for the heckuv it mzrd both a GM fluted and a straight taper right around where the bbl band will fit and there is only .012 diff, the fluted being the tad larger. the wood stock may make a diff, tho', compared to my plastic stock as far as the band fit.

ha ha, you cant be post jumping, this is YOUR post, do what you want. LOL.

personally i prefer SS fluted bbls, whether tapered or bull. get whatever activates your saliva glands. yea, a personal thing, but whatever you decide on, you will have a shooter.
plus, the non-fluted will be a bit cheaper. let us know what you decide on and would love to see a pic of your "sleeper" with the band. that should be a hoot, altho i dont think there will be too many here that are "snowed", but what the heck, this is the SUPER place. AND, when you get everything slapped together, would like to see some pics of groups if you have the capability, camera, etc, LOL.

and dont forget, there are a coupla FUN games to play when you are ready.

rico....

 

Thank you for the measuring of those barrels... heck, with that small of a difference I'm going to go with the fluted!!! And yes, I agree, the stainless fluted DO look far far cooler.
Well, I'm still in the VERRRY preliminary stages of putting together the assorted components, but hopefully by early October I'll have this possible-badboy all bolted up and ready to go!
Thanks for your help, and I'll definately be putting up some groups.... heck, if it shoots as well as the GM I recently put on my new heavy-barrel build I'll be EXCEEDINGLY happy!!

 

SnaitN,

yea, well, ops has been "whining" about having a new shooter getting into the club to take over the "mrs moms" duties. will be watching for your name to appear in neon lights. good luck and good shooting.

rico....

 

SnaitN - Been thinking of the same type of build. What a sleeper a carbine with a short GM barrel would be! Band and all...

 

SnaitN,

yea, well, ops has been "whining" about having a new shooter getting into the club to take over the "mrs moms" duties. will be watching for your name to appear in neon lights. good luck and good shooting.

rico....

I ain't been "whining" - Just don't want to break SQUAWSACH's record!

 

Hahaha, well guys, I will be ALL OVER this within the next month or so!! And Ops, Yes, it WILL be the super-uber-wicked sleeper build... particularly if I can get the bloomin thing to shoot after it's all said and done!

I imagine this could be my favorite little rifle, I can't wait to get started on this! (Now, gotta order a barrel so it arrives on a week day so I can get home before my girlfriend!!)

 

Hahaha, well guys, I will be ALL OVER this within the next month or so!! And Ops, Yes, it WILL be the super-uber-wicked sleeper build... particularly if I can get the bloomin thing to shoot after it's all said and done!

I imagine this could be my favorite little rifle, I can't wait to get started on this! (Now, gotta order a barrel so it arrives on a week day so I can get home before my girlfriend!!)

You're a BAD man! I do the same thing from time to time! Have it delivered to my office, no questions

 

you guys are so devious, luv it and the side tracks to get parts delivered.

will be looking for some small holes.

SnaitN, would like to see a pic of your build. sounds great !!

rico....

 

Well now, does the barrel band work for or against you? It is my opinoin after shooting about 150 to 170 groups in the past three weeks roughly half with the band and half without the my rifle shoots best WITH the band. This may change when the barreled action gets glass bedded. I'll let you know.

This rifle just went into the 1/4" Club with a modified stock barrel, barrel band engaged (people forget that in the carbine design the band is intented to be PART of the bedding sytem), no bedding. It has shot 25 yard groups in the.1's with 7 different ammos and in the .2's with another 5 or 6. It shoots with both CCI Blazers and Fed 510's as well as any of the 5 or 6 match ammos tested. Other than a gold TPA trigger this rifle looks like a bone stock 1976 10/22.

Next week the barreled action gets the full glass bedding treatment with pillar. after that is test a third stock will be tested first with VQ bedding and then with something else that has not quite been finalized.

Getting back to the barrel band question this is the third 10/22 that I have done at least a little testing with and all three shot better with the barrel band. All three w/o some other form of bedding.

 

Vincent, great info!! That gives me a lot more confidence to try to build up without modifing the barrel band. We shall see, I think I'll call up either Hornet Products or Shooters Discount (most likely the latter) in the next few days...

 

Ok, I've started to assemble the parts to begin this barrel banded "superstock" experiment. I already have a stainless receiver and trigger group to use as a base. Some time ago I installed a Hornet trigger kit and Power Custom spring set... this has a nice light trigger pull but not 100 percent cycling. So, the preliminary plan for THAT is to put the ole begging out on the "looking for" section to try to scarf a factory sear and hammer spring on the cheap. Between the hammer spring and fooling around with combinations of factory and "tuned" parts I think I'll get it to operate at just about 100 percent reliablity.

As for further accuracy, I just ordered the 16.5 inch stainless fluted sporter barrel from Shooter's Discount... I have high hopes for this barrel, since I ADORE the 18 incher that's on my heavy barrel. I'll have it scoped with a BushHell 3 to 9 (which is actually a scope I like, it's worked rather well for me for a while now) and riding in a factory laminated stock with barrel band in place. I'm not going to do a bed and such to start off, I want to see how it shoots with the band on before messing about further.

I know, it's a rather basic concept, but I think it has promise.

 

snaitN,

your last sentance says it all pretty much. a "basic concept". all here are trying to get the basics back together again and make them shoot well.
i think that is pretty much the SS idea. get a factory stocker, slap some parts on it and rev her up, see what it'll do. LOL.

rico....

 

I'll have it scoped with a BushHell 3 to 9 (which is actually a scope I like, it's worked rather well for me for a while now) and riding in a factory laminated stock with barrel band in place.

I am concerned. Is this Bushnell a rimfire scope or a big game scope? Does it have AO. If it is a big game scope you may never get decent groups at 25 or 50 yards. The parrelex is set at anywhere from 100 to 150 yards. This will REALLY screw up your groups up close. If you do not know try this: Put your crosshairs on the spot you intend to hit and then move you head around. Keep looking through the scope. If the crosshairs move off you aim point you have parrelex problems.

What to do? There are two threads here on adjusting the parrelex in a non AO scope. Or you can contact Bushell and see if they will adjust it. Most scope companies will do this. Or you can get a rimfire or AO scope. This may seem like a small thing. I can assure you that it is not. Two weeks ago I worked with a friend at the range to prove to him how important this is. His eyes really opened to the problem.

 

That is a VERY good point. Luckily I also have a 2 to 7 rimfire scope brand new in the box at home!! It's also crap-tacular (a BSA, all hail the Red Chinese) but it's free and something with which I can also experiment. While it's not particularly terrific quality, I've been asking around and these scopes seem to hold their zeros...
I don't have the cashflow to pick up another scope at the moment (I'm getting most of the components for this build through trades), do you think I'd be better off trying out the rimfire specific scope although it's hardly of superior quality?

 

snait,

have used bsa, tasco, simmons, etc, inexpensive scopes on my rimmers and
SO far no probs. wouldn't use them on my deer gun, but another story.
give it a try and see what happens. it is just sitting there doing nothing. JMO.

rico....

 

You could be shooting a Luepold, or expensive European scope and if the parrelex is wrong the cheapy little rimfire scope will kick it's butt at short range.

 

That's what I'm thinking as well, I do believe I'm going to give the little black rimfire scope a try... we shall see! I'm going home this weekend, time to pull the "donation rifle" to pieces and start reassembling!

 

You CAN adjust it.

Like I said there are a couple threads for adjusting it in your other scope. I'm in a hurry to the Doc's right now but will help you find them later if you think you may want to try it.