The pistol version intrigues me more than the carbine, although probably less practical.

Does the .410 barrel also shoot .45 Colt, or is that a separate model? If the .410 and .45 are used in the same barrel, is it a smoothbore?

 

If the .410 and .45 are used in the same barrel, is it a smoothbore?

Not if they are intending to sell to the US market. It would be a short barreled shotgun then and restricted in far too many ways to enjoy broad sales.

 

as far as I know, they have stopped selling the Scout since April 2005

at least to my knowlede. Maybe they have changed their minds - they did say it would be a temporary move.

 

love my M6

i have a Stainless M6 with the take-down case:

I followed some of VShrake's advise from his website. I took a dremel to the front sight and back cut it so it would show up better thru the peep sight. also painted both front and rear peep sight black. replaced the back sling stud for a removable sling swivels. made my own sling with 1" tubular webbing. i also put on a Hammer extender to make it easier to get the hammer pulled back even in cold weather with frozen thumbs. bought two knife sheathes that can hang either on a belt or on a shoulder strap so they would run the same direction as the sling. in the sheaths i put a folding Camilus military knife and a mini-maglite. in the other i put a Silvia compass/match box. the stuff i keep in it can be seen in the pic.

the pic shows the barrels wrapped with paracord 550, but i have taken it off as i got worried that it may warp the barrels cause of how tight they had to be wrapped to stay in place.

to store ammo i went to Kmart and bought two Allen brand Rifle ammo wallets that attatch on the web strap on the outside of the gun case. in one wallet i keep 6 rounds of .410 winchester 3" shotshells and 6 Winchester 000 buckshot. in the other wallet i cut one stitch in each end to fit film canisters full of .22 ammo and i keep shot shells in the remaining shell loops. a wallet for rifle shells work better for holding the slim .410 shells.

i have gotten squirrels with both the .22 LR and .410 and find that they both work ok for what they are. i also get good pattern results with the winchester 000 buckshot. i will not put a scope of any type on this firearm cause i want to keep it strictly a survival arm, the K.I.S.S. doctrine (Keep it simple)

in the case i have a CRK&T M16 stainless folding knife with a tanto point; 100 round box of .22 LR & short ammo; 2 small, 2 medium Thompson Snares, 25 yards paracord 550 nylon rope; 40 yards decoy nylon line; bottle water purification tablets; Aitor Jr jungle skinner skeletonized knife; gerber multipliers; two Yo-Yo, automatic fishing reels with a stash of hooks, weights, line and bobbers. theres a military canteen and canteen case on the outside of the guncase that also holds a metal cup that the plastic canteen fits into. the only things i need to add is a Gerber sharpening/honing rod and a boresnake for cleaning.

I wish i could get flares for the .410 barrel, Springfield used to sell them, but i havent been able to find them.

i take this rifle/shotgun with me on road trips and vacations or trips up in the mountains. usually as a companion i also take my Ruger MK II 22/45 P4 4" pistol with extra ammo and clips. all in all, i like this little tool, i think the buckshot would work for self defense in a pinch or take a small deer for food only in an emerency. the trigger will take some experimentation and adaptation to get the right feel on squeezing it without canting the gun. oh, also, i forgot to mention, i also took that rediculous trigger guard off, hated that thing. Good luck, have fun. -Eric

PS. i wouldnt try to use any slugs out of the .410 barrel, the M6 is a full choke barrel, just my recommendation.

 

The pistol version intrigues me more than the carbine, although probably less practical.

Does the .410 barrel also shoot .45 Colt, or is that a separate model? If the .410 and .45 are used in the same barrel, is it a smoothbore?

My understanding from what I'd read on Springfield's site (before they pulled it) is that the pistol's lower barrel is a rifled .45 long Colt that can also handle the .410 shell. The rifle versions are smoothbore .410 with a full choke.

And, yeah, the pistol version was very interesting, but as Mike P. pointed out, they're illegal a lot of places, including here in California.

as far as I know, they have stopped selling the Scout since April 2005

at least to my knowlede. Maybe they have changed their minds - they did say it would be a temporary move.

CZ temporarily stopped producing them for some reason - I don't know why. They're talking about bringing them back, though.

 

mtnmanCO22,

Thanks for the advise - that's pretty similar to how I was considering setting mine up.

Funny thing about the 000 buck - I just picked some up at the gun show this past weekend.

 

I have one of these little guns and love it. I have mine set up similar to mntmanco22, with the cord forend, and a 357 mag shell holder glued onto the side of the stock to hold six more 410 shells. I have found the Sellier & Bellot 5 pellet 00 buck to pattern much tighter than the 000 buck offerings. Barnaul slugs also function quite well and I can put then into about a 5 inch circle at 25 yards. I also removed the trigger guard so the gun will fold in half, makes it much more handy and as the gun is a single shot and you must cock the hammer to fire I think it's safety value was low at best anyway. I would also paint the front sight to make it easier to pick up, and I needed to enlarge the rear peep sight hole, it was just way to small to see through in anything but full daylight otherwise. Enjoy your new gun,

 

I'm new to this .410/.45 Colt thang...

Is every gun chambered for .410 shotshells (such as the Savage 24) capable of firing
.45 [Long] Colt cartridges?

I seem to remember some modern Remington-pattern derringers chambered for both, and now the Springfield M6 guns...maybe some Thompson Contenders, now that I think of it...

How does the presence of rifling affect the firing of the .410 in short-barrel guns? How does point-of-aim differ between .410 slugs and .45 Colt in the same barrel?

I realize this is not a mainstream rimfirecentral question, but hope there is some broader expertise here...

Thanks-

Karl

 

Warning!!!!!

I'm new to this .410/.45 Colt thang...

Is every gun chambered for .410 shotshells (such as the Savage 24) capable of firing
.45 [Long] Colt cartridges?

I seem to remember some modern Remington-pattern derringers chambered for both, and now the Springfield M6 guns...maybe some Thompson Contenders, now that I think of it...

How does the presence of rifling affect the firing of the .410 in short-barrel guns? How does point-of-aim differ between .410 slugs and .45 Colt in the same barrel?

I realize this is not a mainstream rimfirecentral question, but hope there is some broader expertise here...

Thanks- Karl

NOT ALL GUNS CHAMBERED FOR .410 CAN SHOOT 45 LC!!!!!! a firearm built only for .410 cannot take the high pressure that is associated with the 45 LC. you cannot fire a 45 LC out of a .410 barrel, especially a full choke barrel. if you are not sure your firearm is chambered for both calibers (.410 is actually a caliber, not a gauge.) then check with your owners manual, gun smith or call the manufacturer. My M6 that i posted a picture of previously in this thread CANNOT fire .45 LC out of it, it is strictly a .410 barrel.

the only two guns i know of that shoot both calibers are the NEF Survivor chambered for .410/45 LC and the SUPER COMANCHE link here: http://www.firestorm-sgs.com/supercomanche.htm
Good luck! :Blasting_ -Eric

 

How does the presence of rifling affect the firing of the .410 in short-barrel guns? How does point-of-aim differ between .410 slugs and .45 Colt in the same barrel?l

The ones that I know about NEF/TC/Rexio all have a choke that stops the wad from spinning. I'm pretty sure the chokes are designed for birdshot loads only.

 

The choke is necessary to prevent the .410 shot load from spinning. Spin would cause shot load to be dispersed much faster is the reason.

Contender barrels also come in .410 / .45 Long Colt.

 

So, can they even shoot .410 slugs?

 

So, can they even shoot .410 slugs?

I've heard some people say "Yes, they work fine" and others say "You're better off not doing so", so I have no idea.

 

Yes it is totally safe to shoot slugs in this gun. I have asked Springfield and they said no problem. From what I have heard, ammo manufacturers make the slugs small enough in diameter to fit thru a full choke in each guage, to avoid any possiblilty of a gun blowing up. I have shot many brands of slugs thru my M6 with no problems and decent accuracy, I might add.

 

Yes it is totally safe to shoot slugs in this gun. I have asked Springfield and they said no problem. From what I have heard, ammo manufacturers make the slugs small enough in diameter to fit thru a full choke in each guage, to avoid any possiblilty of a gun blowing up. I have shot many brands of slugs thru my M6 with no problems and decent accuracy, I might add.

Good to hear.

In other news, my wait period ends tonight in another 2 hours and 40 minutes, at which point I'll be able to give it a try. Unfortunately, while the shop I bought it from (Discount Gun Mart in San Diego) does have an attached range, they don't allow shotguns of any type out on it. I'll need to drive up to Iron Sights in Oceanside if I want to shoot the .410 barrel tonight. :Blasting_

Either way, I'll give full report when I get back.

 

Well, I picked up my M6 Scout and took it out to the range today. Fired maybe 30 or so rounds of .22 and ten rounds of .410, half target load birdshot, half 000 buck shot.

I have to say the M6 is great fun to shoot. Accuracy wasn't bad at all - in fact, my first shot from the .22 barrel scored a bull's eye at 25 yards. I didn't find the sights to bad, actually. Recoil, of course, was almost negligible from the .22 side, and the .410 was pretty light for someone used to shooting a Mosin-Nagant sporter with a shortened barrel (7.62x54R on a shortened barrel kicks like a mule).

What's nice is that a new M6 comes with a coupon to get accessories from Springfield for cheaper than normal. I'm not sure yet whether I'll want to scope it, but, hey, hard to pass up the a scope base for $12.

As for that .410 barrel, I can't find a choke on it, actually. The rear portion, though, where the .410 shell goes is slightly larger than the front, which I found kind of interesting. Still no idea if it'll chamber a .45 Long Colt, but I might give Springfield Armory a call and talk to them about it, and see what they have to say.

If you happen to see one of these in your local gun shop, I'd definitely recommend checking one out.

Edit: Ah, there's the choke. Man, that's small...

 

The choke is built into the barrel, it is not removable. The business end tapers a bit, you will notice this when you try to run a .40 cal jag down the barrel to clean it. The version of the M6 you have WILL NOT safely chamber and fire a .45LC, don't even bother trying. The new M6 carbine that is yet to be released will have this capability, but not yours. Who needs the LC when you got slugs?

 

Yes it is totally safe to shoot slugs in this gun. I have asked Springfield and they said no problem. From what I have heard, ammo manufacturers make the slugs small enough in diameter to fit thru a full choke in each guage, to avoid any possiblilty of a gun blowing up. I have shot many brands of slugs thru my M6 with no problems and decent accuracy, I might add.

The pistol model with the rifled barrel or the rifle model with the smoothbore barrel?

 

I have the old M6 with the smoothbore barrel. I was not aware you could even buy the new model yet.

 

i have a Stainless M6 with the take-down case:

I followed some of VShrake's advise from his website.

Very cool configuration! Can you provide a link to this website?

 

Very cool configuration! Can you provide a link to this website?

V Shrake wrote an article on what he did with his M6 at this URL:

http://www.oldjimbo.com/survival/v-shrake/m6.html

 

OK, first pic of my M6. So far, I've wrapped the handle in para-cord, and I had the kinda nutty idea to use it to attach an LED flashlight to the front.

Once I finish decking it out, I'll use an actually decent camera to take a pic.

 

Tried a box of .410 slugs today. Overall, I'm left with mixed opinions. Accuracy is, well, inconsistent, though I'm still not sure how much of it is me, and how much of it is the slugs themselves - I could get some pretty decent accuracy at times (in fact, I got a bulls-eye), but I couldn't get a consistent group.

 

M6 Alert!!!

I have and am still in the proccess of doing some research on the M6 survival rifle/shotgun.

At this time i have contacted Springfield Armory, the American branch of CZ, and a company by the name of Adco, who was said to be a new distributor for CZ in the US. So far, no-one has plans to build or distribute the M6 in any form. At this point, the M6 is a completely discontinued gun and there is no known plans to bring it back.

I have sent an Email to the CZ manufacturer in the Czech Republic (i aint paying for that long distance call! LOL) to see if they are still making it or planning to in the future and if any distributors have shown interest in carrying it. I have no idea when or if i will recieve an answer, if i do, i will post the results here.

My advice is, if you want one, get one ASAP cause they have been out of production for at least a year to a year and a half. if you want a good investment opportunity, buy several at the present low cost in either the stainless or parkerized versions and stock up. Later you could sell them when they've gained some investment value. Or you could buy one for spare parts. -Eric

 

its official...

i have contacted Springfield Armory, Adco, and all three CZ companies, (two in the Czech Republic and one here in the US) and the M6 is now officially a discontinued firearm.

there will be no manufacturing or marketing of either the old, standard rifle stock models or the newly developed folding carbine/pistol version. And according to the CZ company, production on the standard M6 was discontinued back in 2002.

Get parts and excessories while you still can.

"You can have my M6 when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers" -Me