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Salvation For Savage A22 22WMR Owners...

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7.1K views 13 replies 6 participants last post by  Marine77  
#1 · (Edited)
I joined this community namely because back in May of 2016 I like many others purchased a Savage A22 chambered in .22 WMR and after taking the time to bore mop polish the button cut rifled barrel and lap the mating surfaces of the trigger group?...once at the range I was met with all the FTF's...(failure to feed) & (failure to fire) with a number of different flavors of ammo which grouped great but it seemed every 3rd shot or so resulted in nothing but dinged cases that failed to feed and lightly struck rims that failed to fire...

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Aggravated and disheartened my A22 found its rightful place in the distant corner of my gun safe never to see the light of day again...until recently when I figured that since its been 6 long years since I purchased it that maybe somebody has homed in on a remedy and googled up "Savage A22 Problems" and was met with compelling thread titles such as "Savage A22 Worst Gun Ever"...which is when I took it as a personal challenge to troubleshoot what the heck is up with this gun?

(Cred Note: Before proceeding with the reading?...I guess now would be a good time to mention I'm 63 years old and have been an aerospace machinist/fabricator the past 35 years along with having built a few race guns for IPSC tactical competitions back in the early to late 90's)

So that said?...I also noticed that there seemed to be a wide range of just how bad folks new Savage A22 rifles sucked...while some could occasionally get through a full mag of specific ammo?...others found themselves clearing their weapon every other (if not every) shot no matter what they fed it and that's when it hit me because before Glock coined the term "Perfection"?...it was common place with any semi-auto to not even begin to judge its reliability or function until ya put 200-500rds through it as a...

"BREAK-IN PERIOD"

Now I may've put close to 200rds through mine before sentencing it to 6 years without parole but soon realized that my A22 responded far better with 40gr loadings (CCI & Armscor) than the lighter 30gr Hornady V-Max which just didn't seem to either attain or retain enough backpressure long enough to allow the delayed blowback action to cycle correctly which set my mind to racing of whether to decrease the recoil spring pressure or take steps to very gradually machine weight off the bolt or both and no matter what I did I promised myself I would exercise extreme patience and proceed with caution AND PLEASE NOTE/DISCLAIMER: If you do not feel qualified to proceed with the following operations DO NOT ATTEMPT THIS YOURSELF!

"First Things First":
Was a great idea in that I first went after remedying the "Light Strike/Failure to Fire" issue where I did read in my research that someone cited "Burrs on The Firing Pin" as the culprit and thankfully?...this long story gets real short form here as I....

1: Removed the bolt and cleaned everything
2: Carefully punch out the 3/32ths pin to remove the firing pin & firing pin spring
(Take care to "Note The Position Of" and not lose your 2 locking lug pieces as the firing pin retains those)
3: File/Stone Deburr and break/polish all sharp edges of your firing pin


"Secondary Observations/Actions":
It was at this point of bolt dis-assy that I noticed some wear marks on leading edges and corners of the bolt body itself which is when I decided to save ammo and aggravation and expedite the break-in process by stoning on a slight breakedge on all leading edges and corners along with polishing the entire bolt body and did the same with the engaging surfaces of the (2) locking lug bits.

"Bolt Reassembly & Critical Lubrication Methods": You want to lubricant the firing pin with as little lubrication as possible...I used "A Very Light Film" of break-free synthetic gun oil because to much lube on or in the firing pin channel will serve to bog it down and result in light strike FTF's and the same goes for the 2 locking lug parts but after the bolt is fully reassembled?...oil the heck out of the now polished bolt body itself and plan on running your A22 "WET" but?....

"ZERO GREASE ANYWHERE": As the A22 is a delicate operation action wise and as such?...it doesn't appreciate anything bogging it down including light lithium grease that once exposed to the dirt, grime and unburnt powder can rapidly go from greased to gummy....not good.

"A WORD ON TRIGGER CONTROL/OPERATOR ERROR": The rumor regarding keeping the trigger depressed is true and the reason it is true is because the design of this delayed blowback action of Savages A22 requires that the bolt and its locking lug return to their fully locked positions BEFORE this mechanism allows "Trigger Reset" to occur and done right?....your trigger finger "can feel it happen"

"A WORD ABOUT BUTLER CREEK 25RD VS FACTORY 10RD MAGAZINES": I would advise sticking with factory 10rd rotary magazines as opposed to the aftermarket simply because the rim-lock of the Butler Creek mags is aggravating as is any linear loading mag made for non-rebated rim ammo as opposed to the very reliable rotary design and the great news here?...It seems the A22's mag also goes through somewhat of a break-in as the more times you load it?...the easier it gets to load.

In Closing:

Many 22mag auto's have come and gone over the years and the tears experienced simply because the cartridge itself doesn't lend itself to ease of function in a semi-auto action because Length to Diameter?...its the longest most slender cartridge design out there which in and of itself serves to amplify feed control issues but after executing these few simple deburr & polishing actions above my A22 went from the redheaded stepchild of my gun safe to my favorite range rifle (especially at approx .30 cents a round these days as opposed to CF ammo) where my A22 now feeds and fires everything from 45gr Hornady Critical Defense to 30gr Hornady V-MAX (that often times shoots one ragged hole at 100yds on a calm day) with?..."100% RELIABILITY"...

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and the ironic part here is?...

"Savage?...If You're LISTENING": Your design engineers did a spectacular job but you should find and immediately fire whatever freaking bean counter decided that saving a few bucks by not deburring firing pins or polishing bolts was a great idea because all it did was give your wonderful A22 a real bad name right out of the box! FIRE THEM!!!

I hope everyone and/or anyone who has a Savage A22 that they regret buying reads this and acts on it so they to can relieve themselves of the regret and treat themselves to the enjoyment of what is the wonderful firearm contained within the durrs and sharp corners of their Savage A22! :)

Heck of a first post here huh? LOL! ;)
 
#2 · (Edited)
Welcome! Glad to hear you made good progress on your A22.

As someone else who has tool and die experience, I agree that these sort of things aren't usually really terribly hard to sort out. Your experience mirrors mine. I've had more than a few semi-autos which were cranky simply because parts required deburring. Unfortunately, the low prices don't pay for the extra work.

A couple firing pin tips... Often, poor ignition can be chased back to crimping the whole rim instead of a patch just inside the edge of the rim.

Another trick with semi-auto 22's is to make sure the firing pin rattles fore and aft freely within the bolt.

Blowback actions are typically more reliable with heavier bullet weights, simply because more inertia is available.

Sometimes, the channel for the recoil spring has burrs, grit, and even dried grease and it hangs slightly. Often, fresh new springs need a couple hundred cycles to loosen them up.

Lube wise, I've mostly settled on lubing 22 semi autos with whatever fancy pants dry lube the AR guys like the best. It helps reduce the amount of crud that crusts up inside the action.

Good luck with your Savage.
 
#3 ·
truckjohn: I'm tempted to give a dry graphite lube a try next time but then again?...I'm hesitant to stray from what seems to be working great and if the firing pin rattles back and forth in an A22?...you have a serious problem because it is spring loaded...now that said?...I could reduce the firing pin spring pressure but that should happen all on it's own over the years and the last thing you want is so hard of a strike that it starts rupturing rims....I'm currently having zero failures to fire with any ammo at the moment so I'll leave that alone as well but thanks and all your others suggestions and experiences ring true.
 
#4 ·
Since everything is fine, you probably got it.

I like to make sure everything moves freely without the firing pin spring, as well as checking to make sure the spring doesn't bind. It's there to avoid slam fires, but sometimes, it can hang on a burr and cause light strikes.

I wouldn't lighten the firing pin spring, as it's designed to work properly.
 
#6 ·
I would have owned one of these when they first came out except for all the problems I read about back then.

I read different threads on RFC quite a bit, but it's been so long since I logged in that I had to reset my password just to jump on here and say what an interesting post this is. Thank you for taking the time, I really enjoyed it!!
 
#7 ·
You're very welcome and it was my pleasure to post up about this because I know how regretful I felt for 6 long years everytime my eyes crossed this rifle as I did my best to forget I ever bought or owned it only for God to bless me with some motivation coupled with success?....and then for it to become what I consider to be my favorite pet rifle?...and I love 22mag enough that I can tell you that my 45gr Hornady Critical Defense rounds hit about 6-8"s low of my 30gr Hornady V-Max bullets at?..."200yds"...and man is it a blast to own such a capable shooter who's ammo can be had for as little as 30 cents a rd.(especially with the price of ammo these days)

The spike of going from complete disappointment to elation was so great I couldn't wait to get home and share this because I couldn't help but wonder just how many others had their A22's stuffed away as dust collectors over being just as disappointed as myself and it is my hope that this post reaches as many of them as possible...if I was more savvy on the web I'd probably post up a blog about it.

Thanks for letting me know you enjoyed reading it. :)
 
#8 ·
UPDATE: After yesterday's range session I couldn't resist updating this thread because I had so much uninterrupted fun and do it believe it's the first time I had absolutely zero feed and/or function failures of any kind with my Savage A22 WMR while shooting both CCI 40gr JHP Maxi-Mag and Hornady 30gr VMax ammo and it ran like a watch with not a single hiccup.

I have several rifles I alternate taking to the range and usually go every weekend and the one habit I commited to was making sure the A22 went with me as well to put anywhere from 50-100rds through her and despite me benching and polishing the bolt group?...It was evident that there was still an elongated break-in process that played out that I would estimate is somewhere between 1,000-1,500rds where I believe the culprit that requires such is the one area I didn't get to aggressive with (polishing out) which was the...

"DELAYED BLOWBACK MECHANISM"
and ^^THAT^^ is an area I highly recommend folks allow to wear in on its own.

But now that the benchwork is complete and this rifle has cycled through 2-3 bricks of ammo?...now it's all fun and games! :)

I have a Vortex 4-12X40 Diamondback scope on this rifle with a BDC reticle and it was fun doping out both brands of ammo then took to plinking grass clods at 200yds as the rifle I hated has become one I now love. :)

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#9 ·
Nice write up, and glad you got it working!
Just a little tip that I found over on the 10/22 forum some time ago, is Hornady one shot dry lube and cleaner. (Don’t get it mixed up Hornady one shot case lube.) After using it on my 10/22’s, I use it on all my guns. What’s nice is you can spray down the insides and it will flush any garbage out, and you can then wipe the excess off and your good to go. It really works great on auto’s, and then you don’t have any runny oil to contend with.👍
 
#10 ·
I must have lucked out... my A22M ran perfectly from the first round* with several different brands of ammo!
No breakin needed, nor has it been touched except to clean & lightly lube it!


* Well, there was that one box of Dynapoint Winchester, which was simply crap... it even fired poorly in my OM Single Six - varying recoil, and yellow crystals left in the cylinder and barrel! In the A22M it had several failure to cycle, after which I tried it in the SS...
 
#11 ·
I must have lucked out... my A22M ran perfectly from the first round* with several different brands of ammo!
No breakin needed, nor has it been touched except to clean & lightly lube it!...
Yep....I get that and rest assured that your A22M is the exception and not the rule and here's how that happens....

Your internal components were probably made while the tooling was still fresh and sharp which left smooth machined surfaces and little to no burrs especially in things like slot captured firing pins where subsequent machined components?...not so much...and followed up with a serious lack of attention to detail both Burr Bench & Quality Control wise (that probably only took random samplings at best)
BTW?...Semper Fi and Thank You for Your Service! :) I'm former VMA-214 alumni...Egress & Environment Tech A-4 Skyhawks..Old School! LOL!