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Rifling on vintage Charter Arms Pathfinders?

479 views 9 replies 6 participants last post by  j.r. guerra in s. texas  
#1 ·
Hello, all-

I’m looking at a vintage Charter Arms Pathfinder. Stainless, no ejector rod shroud, Stratford, Conn. mfg. I’m guessing it’s from somewhere around 1980.

It’s in nice “shooter” condition, which is exactly what I want it for…

One thing is giving me pause- the rifling appears to be extremely shallow. Like… “barely visible” kind of shallow. I thought it might be all leaded up, but a soak with solvent and running a bronze bore brush with strands of copper Chore Boy wrapped around it has yielded nothing.

If I can arrange a test fire, that might answer my questions(?).

In the meantime, does this “shallow rifling” issue ring any bells, for anyone? It’s like a person used to Marlin’s Ballard rifling is seeing Micro-Groove for the first time. Now imagine someone who is used to Micro-Groove rifling says, “That thing has really shallow rifling!”

The bore on the 3” barrel appears shiny and bright… but I’m used to “lands and grooves“ having visible grooves… 🤪

I keep wondering if the last owner just ran a couple bricks of Remington Thunderbolts through it, just as fast as they could pull the trigger… 😳
 
#3 ·
We have one (bought new) with the 'scratch rifling' and it wont group Anything decent enough to be a 'kit gun' but bought it to be a pers-def practice piece to emulate the S&W. It's an across the table/last ditch gun. Dbl action was stiff but 300+ dry fires (with a soft hammer landing) really helped.
It should have gone back right away :(. Guess they have a lifetime warrantee, Idk anymore.
 
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#4 ·
I have a vintage Charter Arms that is surprisingly accurate for a small revolver with 3" barrel. I got it out and shot it a few days ago. It's mainly just hard to hold steady.

The rifling on it seems to be fairly shallow, although my eyesight is not good and I have no way to measure the groove depth.

If it's a decent price, I'd say, "Go for it."

I got mine because I wanted something bigger than an NAA, something with a real trigger and trigger guard.
 
#5 · (Edited)
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FWIW, CA introduced the stainless Pathfinder in 1982 - I had the first dual cylinder 4" stainless ("Target") Pathfinder in 2007, courtesy of CA's President, after 3 factory "repairs" to a new.22 Mag Target Pathfinder.

My 70's Pathfinder's 3" bbl has "norma
"l rifling - the same as my 2007 version.

Since worn rifling tools have been known to have been changed only after some barrels had been installed/sold, I would suggest contacting CA's Customer Service about your Pathfinder - who would IME do right by you. ( The CA Prexy told me he will stand by any CA revolver, during a phone call to him).

You have nothing to lose by trying them.

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#7 ·
Alrighty, I just checked my 1970 Charter Arms Pocket Target (pre-Pathfinder name) and compared it to my 1982 Ruger Single Six.

The Charter Arms has noticeably shallower grooves compared to the Single Six. I haven't fired my Charter Arms much past 15 yards, but I've never seen it keyhole and accuracy has been plenty sufficient for plinking.

The biggest detriment to accuracy with my Charter Arms is the wide front sight. It's self defense sized and belongs on a .38 special snubby, IMO.

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#9 ·
To be honest, I've never studiied how deep the rifling is on my Gen 1 Pathfinder.

That Pocket Target above is awesome !

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Is that a 6” barrel? That’s an awesome Pathfinder as well. Kit gun size size frame and adjustable rear sight, with a trim long barrel for accuracy potential.

Nice. :cool: