I have a Strange Remington UMC .22 cal Rolling Block lever TD that I believe to be Model 4 or 4S. The odd thing is the round barrel is 28" and the forearm is 24"and there is no handguard or barrel band that the military versions have. There is no serial number, only a D and #10 stamped on the bottom of the barrel near the receiver. On the bottom of the Buttstock near the Trigger guard is the #431 and H1.is stamped in the wood. The patent date on the barrel is July 22-1902. The metal buttplate is stamped UMC. I'm trying to get a Proper ID. If you can help or need pics email me at dokey@frontiernet.net
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dokey
Dokey, from your description, it sounds like you have a No.4 Cadet rifle, which had a 28 inch barrel with no barrel band or handguard, but did have sling swivels. According to Gyde and Marcot, this was a very limited production version, made only in 1911-12. If you have access to the book or the e-version, it is described and pictured on page 48.
Period Remington advertising said that it was designed for military schools and organizations.
Period Remington advertising said that it was designed for military schools and organizations.
You're quite welcome, my friend.
I also decided to look it up in the Blue Book, and while I don't always agree with them on pricing, it appears that the Cadet Model is quite rare and valuable, showing a 98% condition at $4,000. Even one in 70% is valued at $1750, so it appears you have one that is highly sought after.
I would love to see some photos of yours if you get the chance.
I also decided to look it up in the Blue Book, and while I don't always agree with them on pricing, it appears that the Cadet Model is quite rare and valuable, showing a 98% condition at $4,000. Even one in 70% is valued at $1750, so it appears you have one that is highly sought after.
I would love to see some photos of yours if you get the chance.
Model 4s
looks like it needs a new breakdown leaver, the pin under the leaver is pushed in. Any Idea of the age?
looks like it needs a new breakdown leaver, the pin under the leaver is pushed in. Any Idea of the age?
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Lever takedown Model 4s were made from 1900 until 1924. The Number 4S Boy Scout rifle was introduced in 1913. The name was changed to 4S Military in 1915, and 1923 was the last year for it. Your rifle has the wrong forearm for a Boy Scout or Military Model. Also, the receiver should be stamped on the left side "American Boy Scout" or "Military Model" and the barrel should be 28 inches long.
I would guess yours was made about 1915-1920.
I would guess yours was made about 1915-1920.
4s
I read if it says Union Metallic Cartridge Co. it is 1911-1916
so it can be a 4s and not military, etc...
what I can make out serial# J29458 and maybe a 9 or 5
I read if it says Union Metallic Cartridge Co. it is 1911-1916
so it can be a 4s and not military, etc...
what I can make out serial# J29458 and maybe a 9 or 5
I believe you have a standard No. 4 lever-type takedown that is missing its lever, and that has been, for whatever reason, stamped with the "S" after the number 4 sometime after it left the factory. According the Gyde's book, the real No. 4S rifles did not have the S stamped after the number on the barrel.
It's still a very interesting little rifle that had a great reputation.
It's still a very interesting little rifle that had a great reputation.
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