That sounds to me like a very early gun maybe not a 12c... just a model 12. My 12c says it right on the barrel and has the date code letters clearly stamped side by side not one on top of the other. Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think they started using that BLACKPOWDERX code on the early guns but I'm sure someone else will chime in on this.

 

My 12-A has no date codes at all, serial no. is 4332xx, I guesstimated 1919-1921 but really have no idea. Mine looks bad functions prefectly.

Gerald

 

Remington did not start using the date code until 1921, so my guess is the the letters are inspectors stamps.

 

Model 12

Hello All,
Yes it appears to be a very early gun. Straight stock, Lyman tang mounted folding peep sight and a folding, hooded front blade sight also. The dovetail for the rear open sight has been filled with a dovetail blank. It very well could be that the letters on the barrel are manufacturing codes used before the POWDERX date codes came into use. The five digit serial number is further evidence that this is probably a very early gun. This gun is in particularly fine condition for such an old 22. The bluing is about 80% overall, the action is crisp and positive and it's accurate as hell. The bore is clean and bright with sharp distinct rifling. The barrel is a tad shorter than most at 23 3/4". The forend wood retaining screws do not have locking side screws. I have been told that this is sometimes seen on very early 12C rifles. Apparently these screws sometimes worked loose and fell out, so Remington later fixed the problem by adding the side retaining screws.
Thanks to all for your input, I hope to find out more about this gun, it's a great shooter and I like it a lot.

Kix

 

Yours is a M/12-C. It was made in either 1909 or 1910. Since you didn't provide the first numbers of the serial number I can't narrow it down further. Depending on the year, it may have a steel inner magazine tube. It sounds like a very nice early M/12. Your info on the retaining screws is correct.

 

My Remington 12C is S/N 208906. D over L on barrel lower left side Octagon barrel. Any help on year made? Thanks

 

Remington 12C

Hello John and Thank You for your information!
The slide out magazine tube is brass outside with a sprung steel tipped plunger. The first three digits of the serial number are: 576. If you can narrow down the date any more with this information I would surely appreciate it.

Regards,

Kix

 

The serial # at year end 1909 was 14,286 so yours was a first year production. Good find!!! I don't have all of my records with me (I'm in AZ for the winter), but I believe yours should have a steel inner mag tube. They are often replaced. No big problem.

 

The serial # at year end 1909 was 14,286 so yours was a first year production.

And then NOBODY posted that 1911 end serial number was 104041 and 1912 year end serial number was 166538. Originally member "Kixonrt66" wrote a description of his Model 12C which fit the description of mine exactly with only difference is serial number.

My Model 12C serial number is 76557 and I would like to identify the manufacture date. The other one I own is a Model 12CS .22WMR which I have identified with barrel code A R (March 1924).

So my question is - does anyone have the year end serial number for 1910? Since my Model 12C has no barrel codes, it seems to possibly fall somewhere between 1909 and 1911?? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

 

1909!!!

Wow! Thanks for the information John! That's really exciting! First year production is a cool thing and makes me like this gun all the more! I'll try to post some pictures tomorrow.

Regards,
Kix

 

Hi
I have a Remington Model 12 serial Number 129109. I am trying to find a site that will help me identify it. Any ideas?
Thanks
OGT

 

Your rifle was probably assembled in 1912. Year 1911 ended with Serial #104041, and year 1912 ended with Serial #166538, according to the Gyde-Marcot book, Remington 22 Rimfire Rifles. As John frequently mentions, use standard velocity ammo only in these rifles.

My 1917 M12C has Serial # 409XXX, & has no model designator either on the barrel, or receiver...

 

Hi
Thank you very mcuh for the info. This was given to me by a friend who said his father used it to compete in the camp Perry matches many years ago. It is 40" overall with a 24" barrel. It has hung in his house for many years with no attention at all. I suspect it was stored after being shot with blackpowder loads? It is in rough shape both bore and outside. Rust, pitting, wood well used. I shot it with regular 22lrs and it shots very well in spite of th sad shape.
I am thinking of trying to clean it up and shoot it a bit. I wouldn't want to do that if it has some value as is. Any thoughts?
Thanks
OGT

 

One thought. SHOOT ONLY STANDARD VELOCITY 22 AMMO!!! That is true for all M/12s, but yours with a rough bore may build up more pressure.

 

That's what it was made for, shooting. If all you do is clean it up, & it has not been re-finished in the past, you will not detract from its value by shooting it. Sounds from your description like it hasn't been taken very good care of. You won't detract from its valaue by cleaning it up in any case. If you clean it up properly you'll only enhance any value it may have. I have a PDF, The Remington Field Service Manual for the Model 12-121 rifles. It has complete assembly/disassembly instructions. PM me your email address if you'd like a copy.

 

The last serial # in 1910 was 55,104.

 

I knew there was some reason I keep coming to this forum. Thanks so very much!

 

And the ending S/N for 1911 is 101041.

 

How 'bout 104,041.....

 

The author is right again. So it looks like miata55's early 12C was made in mid 1911, right?

 

So based on the post with a 409xxx serial number being manufactured in 1917, is it same to assume my 422693 serial number was the same year?

 

Year 1917 ended with SN 420494, so your 422693 SN would have been assembled in early 1918. Number of Model 12s sold in 1918 was 14,792, or around 1232 per month assuming about an equal number were produced each month. Info is from the Gyde-Marcot book, Remington .22 Rimfire Rifles, page 84...

 

Thank you for the info. I will look into that book. Just trying to find out all I can.

 

Hey everyone. I just recently was given a Remington 22 pump says it shoots .22short,long or long rifle from my dad which was his dads. I think it's a model 12-c.

It has a octagon barrel and a serial number of 309xxx. Any info towards this?

Thanks in advance.

 

Bunky, Welcome to the forum. An octagon barrel means it is a 12C although it probably doesn't say it anywhere. According to John and Roy's book, the last SN for 1914 was 294526 and the last SN for 1915 was 346127.

 

Lots of good information here. Mine is SN 327604 so 1915 production? I just got it back from the gunsmith's today, I had the bore relined, it was shot out. At one time it wore the Lyman tang sight, sadly gone now. The 95 year old smith didn't have any, I was hoping he might. The rifle is showing it's age, virtually no finish left, but it functions fine and now should shoot well. It has the octagonal barrel and crescent butt plate but no model designation. The buttstock is decent, very few dings and is proud of the metal, a nice old piece. It cost me $140 a couple of years ago, the liner was $100 more today.

 

Hey thanks for you help. Much appreciated.

 

A good investment to keep one of these great old rifles shooting...:bthumb:

 

I recently picked up a Remington Model 12-A and was wondering if anyone here could help me out with the manufacture year. The serial number is 502553. Thanks.

 

1920 began with S/N 487228 and ended with S/N 572736.

 

btw Welcome to the forum NorthWoods Outer

 

Thank you.

 

so mine is later than that at 840400 would that put it about '36 ?