50 yards…

 

 

What mattered, what didn't?

Action Torque, 15inlb to 35inlb = no difference
Barrel band on/off = no difference

 

By the numbers…

265 rounds,
53 measured groups,
4 BX-1 magazines,
1 BX 25, 1 BX 15

0 miss feeds
0 failure to feed
0 failure to fire
0 failure to eject

the range wouldn’t let me set up the chronograph but they all sounded good.
average group size? 2.3 in. That’s at 50 yards

I used my bore scope on the rifle. Wait till you see what the chamber leade looks like. (Really bad)

Again, this is not good accuracy, this was an endurance test of the ammo, it passed.

going to run the rest of the box of 525 through the rifle.

 

Sooo, since nobody reads ANNNND everyone has an opinion, let's call part 2 of this journey...

Don't Believe Anything You Can't Test or Verify for Yourself.

We've got a big problem Kats & Kittens... And THAT is, "it may not be the ammo" Which is why a neutral platform is vital. So... As has been stated "that's standard accuracy for RGB's."

Maybe we need to test that theory. If the new RBG's avg 2.3-inch groups at 50 yards, the BETTER ammo should shrink that group size by... 50%? 40? 30%?

Better ammo MUST produce some better groups, correct? (spoiler alert, maybe not)

Today I tested 600 rounds in the box stock Ruger 10/22:

Eley Semi-Auto Benchrest 50
Sellier & Bellot Club 100
CCI Standard Velocity 200
Remington Subsonic 100 (amazingly good ammo!)
Eley Edge 50
Wolf Match Target 100

Eley Edge produced remarkable groups @ 50 yards as did (shockingly) Remington Subsonic

Eley Semi-Auto Benchrest produced the worst groups.

Throwing out the superb 1.3 avg groups from the Eley Edge, and 1.45 in groups from the Remington...

ALL OTHER 'PREMIUM' AMMO grouped on average about 2 inches at 50 yards... Not much of an improvement over the new RGB groupings of 2.3 in.

Before today's session, I did clean the rifle after the 265 round RGB outing (they are IMO dirtier than most ammo) At this point, this rifle will not ever shoot past the barrel, ammo does not matter. it's at best a 2.5 -3.0 inch grouper at 50 yards.

Pic's later... (maybe)

 

So, I searched the web and bought the cheapest barrel I could find (not factory)

$99.00
$8.00 Shipping
$8.00 Tax
$3.00 'insurance'

I'll install the barrel and shoot another 200+ rounds of New Remington Golden Bullets and see if it is a barrel issue or if the New Remington Golden Bullets are any good.

 

Range Day #3
Took the stock 10/22 out to the range today to finish out the box of 525, and do some more accuracy testing with some different ammo, namely 150 rounds of CCI SV. So, todays range session was 265 rounds of RGB’s followed by 150 rounds of CCI SV. No cleaning between brands etc. FYI, Remington RGB’s delivered avg 50 yard groups of 2.25in at 50 yards, over 53 measured groups.
Spoiler Alert

(The CCI Ammo did better)

 

Let's call this update, "Reason 2,347 why you shouldn't use a borescope" (and think what you see might matter UNTIL you shoot your rifle)

So, here's a picture of the bore of this hot mess of a 10/22 which as the posted pictures prove, is a pretty decent shooter.

And here is a picture of the bore after 265 Remington Golden Bullets (it's a bit dirty)

Looking towards the chamber look at the 6 o'clock position! UGLY

 

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Your groups seem pretty typical for a box-stock 10/22 @ 50 with hunter/plinker grade ammo.

My gripe with RGBs was never accuracy (they're actually VERY accurate in some of my rifles). It was their dud rate, which was a very consistent 1-2% back about a decade ago. From what I read here, they seem to have solved that problem since.

 

I only bought one brick, about 20 years ago.
Worse ammo I ever had.
After about 100 rounds I gave the rest away and that was that!
I hear it got better. I don’t care.

 

I only bought one brick, about 20 years ago.
Worse ammo I ever had.
After about 100 rounds I gave the rest away and that was that!
I here it got better. I don’t care.

right! best not to be stuck in the past. (or encumbered by the facts) I just posted a range test today of 265 flawless rounds...

 

Good info...

As the old saying goes...."The proof is in the pudding." 😁

 

Facta non Verba

 

Unfortunately once you get a bad wrap it’s near impossible to get lost customers back.

The bad ammo is a big part of why Remingtons share of the market shrank to the point of no return financially.

im careful to look at manufacturing dates when buying as there is still a lot of old stuff floating around but I do agree although I don’t shoot the light fast stuff I do shoot the 40grain stuff. This is what I’ve been saying is the new stuff is as reliable as federal and about equivalent in performance as it’s Apple to Apple equivalent of federal.

100 round square box of 40grain Golden’s are as accurate and dependable as the CCI 40grain mini mag.
So far I have used 500 rounds of the aforementioned without so much as a hiccup. Had a couple stove pipes but can’t blame that on the ammo there are other reasons for stove piping.
Everyone of them when bang and at 50yards out of my recent 10/22 build will shoot 10shot groups hovering around 1/2” c to c..

Now I did recently buy four or five of the 500 round Buick pack boxes of Remington Thunderbolts and I had the same experience as you Flys. Out of 1,000 rounds “two boxes” I did have on order about 5 that did not go bang but otherwise worked well. Those five duds did disappoint me however but those are the only duds so far out of 1000.

the Thunderbolt were the ammo line that was notorious about leading up barrels.

 

 

While not my favorite ammo, for me it has been very usable, my grandkids use it by the bucket loads, with no issues

 

RGB's are near the top of the list of the manufacturer's recommended ammo for the .22 adaptor for my 9 mm Glock, which has reliability issues with the wrong ammo. In that rig and in my tiny Beretta Bobcat (which has internal surfaces like a bad road) they work as well as or better than anything else.

 

This is an excellent thread!!
Some of my rifles love the RGBs some didn't.
Some are accurate..some are not.
Before I gave it away.. had a Marlin model 25 bolt action. Lights out with RGBs.
Two of my favorite CPC rugers love the stuff.
Count me in as a fan of RGBs.

 

Some firearms react differently to the same ammo.
I have a couple of built Ruger 10/22's that like GB, one a little better than the others.
Back in the day I used and learn to hate Golden Bullets because of misfeeds and duds. I got a 100 roud box of them a few months ago and was surprised at how well they shot for me with no misfeeds, or duds and they all sounded the same.
Since then, I have gone thru a 100 round box and 3 bucket of bullets (1,400 rounds each) and have been very happy with their performance.
THEY ARE NOT TARGET AMMUNITION!

 

THEY ARE NOT TARGET AMMUNITION!

Ssssshhhhhhhhhhh !!! Do not say that out loud, my grandkids will want me to buy something else, it cheap, it works !!!

 

When I first read Flys post , I think I threw up a little in my mouth. I felt like Harry Callahan watching that guy eat hot dogs with ketchup. But my wife reminded me that God did not give me my huge fat head so that I could be closed minded. Somehow, I’ve learned how to call some of my daughters friends they/them ( although it still makes no sense to me ). If I can do that, just maybe I can try Golden Turds again. If it doesn’t work out, and that queasy nauseous feeling starts again, at least I’ll have a bucket handy.

 

I refuse to acquiesce to that nonsense, find it rude and repulsive.

there is use for that bucket after all. Just fill it back up with spent brass to turn in for cash. Brass brings bucks. Pound for pound a lot more than aluminum cans.

 

A factory stock 10/22. (I didn't own one however now I do, more on THAT later)

Let's begin in the middle and work our way to one end, maybe... Probably.


Next to the subject of Ketchup, nothing seems to tweak folks more than the subject of Remington Golden Bullets.

There's ZERO middle ground, you either love or hate them.

How bad are they? Are they 'that' bad? Are they (wait for it) any good?

Most of my bad ideas begin with the question, 'prove it' After that, smooth out as many variables as possible and let the results speak for themselves.

Take one stock 2017 Ruger 10/22, mount a Bushnell scope, procure a box of 'new' bulk pack' of Remington Golden Bullets, go shoot a LOT, and wait for 'something' to happen!

265 rounds later
53 measured groups...

Thumbs 👍

 

A factory stock 10/22. (I didn't own one however now I do, more on THAT later)

Let's begin in the middle and work our way to one end, maybe... Probably.


Next to the subject of Ketchup, nothing seems to tweak folks more than the subject of Remington Golden Bullets.

There's ZERO middle ground, you either love or hate them.

How bad are they? Are they 'that' bad? Are they (wait for it) any good?

Most of my bad ideas begin with the question, 'prove it' After that, smooth out as many variables as possible and let the results speak for themselves.

Take one stock 2017 Ruger 10/22, mount a Bushnell scope, procure a box of 'new' bulk pack' of Remington Golden Bullets, go shoot a LOT, and wait for 'something' to happen!

265 rounds later
53 measured groups...

Great information and a great test! I have never owned a Ruger 10/22. They just don't seem to 'fit' me right. However, I hate to say it but my old Glenfield 60 (I tested a lot) would shoot better groups than that at 50 yards off a sandbag with open sights. I also have an old JC Higgins (High Standard Model 29) that will do the same. Great test on the ammo though. I like to shoot the Federal Spitfires sometimes and feel the recoil and smell the burnt powder. Still have some from the 80s and never had a misfire or any problem with them. Just some useless info from SC.

 

Tim, you have two variables. Stock 10/22's vary a lot in their accuracy potential and most will like one brand of 22 over all others. I did gun shows with a FFL friend and we put together upgraded 10/22 ; green mountain barrels, Volquartsen trigger groups and often Boyds laminated stocks , which I fitted to the action. We had some left-over parts obliviously and one day I was bored and decided to test the 10/22 take off barrels . I mounted them on a stock finger groove 10/22 action and stock. I torqued all of them to the same inch pounds and shot them from sand bags at 50 yards using CCI SV. The results were surprising to say the least! Of the four barrels tested two of them shot as good as the green mountain factory taper match barrel. Two of the shot moderate to poor groups .I sold them at the next gun show with targets they shot for 25.00 for the good shooters and 5.00 for the +/- shooters .
What I am saying is mass produced guns seem to vary a bunch in quality. Good gun/bad gun is luck of the draw.
I have some rifles , CZ452 varmint , Ruger MKIII 6 7/8" Hunter and Ruger 10/22 with GM Match barrel, that shoot RGB's quite well. I don't have any that shoot them terrible and they are good 25 yard plinking ammo that I enjoy sending down range.You mentioned you "bore scope" story. If you barrel leads just att the chamber end it will require regular cleaning for you to get best accuracy. Tru some Tubbs accuracy bulets to smooth out that barrel and let us know how ot shoots. Jim