Did you rub them all at the same time or one at a time?

 

Make long swipes one row of 10 at a time. It’s very effective and easy to do.
Fritz

 

Just curious.
Do you relube the rounds?
If not, has barrel leading been an issue for you?
I have been wanting a Waltz Die, have not picked one up yet.

 

Just finished prepping Norma Tac-22 with the Waltz Die.
No, I don’t relubricate the bullets as it would not serve any purpose,
the only lube I remove is from the nose of the bullet which never
touches the barrel lands or grooves.
If you examine a target after firing you will see a ring of lube around
the circumference of the bullet hole. This is evidence of the lube left
on the bearing surface. In fact, it is my opinion, the lube on the nose of
the bullet has a deleterious effect on accuracy.
I presume that, since you are interested in the die, you single load directly
Into the chamber.
If you are loading from a magazine nose lube might serve a purpose.
Use of a magazine, in my opinion, is redundant and not conducive to
accurate benchrest shooting.
Neal Waltz is a master machinist and has custom built centerfire
Benchrest Rifles for me. Neal lives just a few miles from my home,
like all of us he is aging and I would not wait too long.
If for any reason you would be unsatisfied with the die there are
several people on this forum that would be happy to buy the die from you.
Now off to Kelbly’s Range, wind 10-15 mph with gusting to 25 mph.
BTW: It’s great fun to experiment with this die.
Fritz

 

Have you tested sizes of your hollow point. Looking at your picture, they seem large.

 

Those are EPS die rounds. HP'd rounds through my Waltz die look like this (I didn't wipe the lube off before putting them through the die):

EPS die rounds though my die:

 

Is Neil still making his dies? I would like one with all the tidbits.

 

Yes. Contact info HERE. Call him, or just send a check. Mailing address and phone number in the link.

 

Actually, call Neal first, prices have increased (about $15)...but contact info is still current.

 

Does someone have the current price on the .22 die?

 

$145 for the die set, $15 shipping.

 

Thanks Cowpokey. Wasn't sure of the current price. This helps. I'm going to email them and see if I can get one.

 

Call him. I sent him an email; a month and a half later still no response. When I called him, I mentioned that, and his response was, "sometimes I don't get to everything". 🤣

 

Here are just a few groups shot using the Neal Waltz EPS Die. The 40X-1 groups were shot using a first Model 40X rife
with 2 ounce Jewell Trigger, Bisonite Bedding and Sightron II Scope. The Waltz Die works better with this rifle than any other rifle that I have and with more different brands of ammo.
A close second is a Springfield 1922, a photo is included herewith. This rifle is utilizing a Timney Trigger breaking at 15 to16
ounces, the scope is a Unertl 2inch x 24X. This rifle is one year older than me at 85 years and is a tack driver.
I have shot better groups with the SK Std. Plus than the one shown but it is the current one and my reason for including it is because it is a “sleeper” and has immense potential.
Many have stated that Neal’s Die has not improved accuracy their accuracy, for me it has shown great improvement in many instances. I must admit that that the improvement with lower tier ammunition is not typical.
I have not experimented with higher tier ammunition, Walltz has suggested trying Wolf Match Extra which I will do today at Kelbly’s.
Good luck to all in the quest for “a higher level of accuracy.”

 

I had said that I had shot better groups with the SK Std. Plus but I “mis-spoke” I meant SK Semi Auto.
Fritz

 

Added photos of groups shot with Waltz EPS Die to previous post of June 19th.
Fritz

 

Gonna walk over and look at them!

 

So being new to this 22 lr game, This is the first I've heard of this die. I see by the pics what it does, but what is the theory behind it? why/how does it affect the bullet flight?

 

Good question. Neal has stated that his die is only to change the shape of the tip of the bullet. No other claims are made.

There are two other former die setups that change the tip shape, but also claim accuracy improvements. One in particular has the forming die in different diameters. Apparently to match the chamber/barrel dimensions.

I've wondered why the accuracy has improved, and given it some thought. Remember, this is conjecture, not proven fact.

It may be that the bullet shape has been improved. That is more round. Or that the bullet is better seated/crimped in the shell. That would provide a more consistent powder burn.

Or it may be that the bullet has a better fit to the barrel. Based on land and groove dimensions. And a more true diameter, which also contributes to a good flight.

In the end, I don't know what improves the accuracy. But apparently there is an improvement.

22_Match

 

I've been waiting for someone to reply here for more insight. In the meantime I did a little googling and found a few things. From what I found (limited I'm sure) the consensus seemed to be that it would have more improvement on lesser or medium grade ammo and less on the higher grades. The idea being that it would make a more consistent length and diameter so the bullet fit the chamber better. But being that better match ammo should have these attributes there would be less improvement.
The question then becomes, I think, will it make, say, standard plus shoot as well as center x or midas? ????????

 

Mine was purchased just a few months ago. Am very happy with it. As noted elsewhere, the craftsmanship and execution are superb. Better than most commercially reloading dies.

It is also surprisingly efficient. Can make up a box pretty quick.

Haven't shot thousands of modified cartridges, but enough to note a) no shift in 50 yd POI and b) no obvious loss of accuracy. Too soon to judge if accuracy improves. And I have no need of expensive .22rf.

It was purchased for the purpose of making HPs out of CCI SV and CCI Quiet. The former is sometimes difficult to locate, and is always more expensive than SV. There is yet no non-segmented CCI Quiet HP.

 

There is yet no non-segmented CCI Quiet HP.

These are subsonic lead HP, would they qualify? Muzzle velocity: 970, according to CCI.

Buy 22 Suppressor for USD 8.99 | CCI

 

Does anyone know if Mr Waltz is still producing and selling these?

A while back I left a message at the number for him in the link posted earlier in this thread, it was a generic voice mail and haven't head anything back, Was wondering if he's still around and if there's a better way to contact him.

 

I got a set end of April, call him back.

 

It makes a difference in accuracy... today I was shooting my Remington 581 and at 50 yards with SK STD + HP as stacking in the bull... I loaded 5 more and started shooting and I noticed my group opening up... I started to load 5 more and realized the box I was using only had half the round HP’ed and the group I just shot was with unmodified ammo... I stopped went down to reloading bench HP’ed the remaining ammo went back to bench and started stacking them in the bull again... It works for me and my ammo

 

Neal Waltz, the Great Uniformer.
Fritz

 

I got an email from Neal a few days ago in response to my inquiry. He said he was out of stock, check back in 10 days (now 4 or 5 days as of this posting)

 

I got an email from Neal a few days ago in response to my inquiry. He said he was out of stock, check back in 10 days (now 4 or 5 days as of this posting)
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Neal Waltz
4105 Hyatt Avenue N.W.
Massillon OH 44646-1435
Telephone: 330-837-4818
email: waltz@sssnet.com

 

FritzFulton
Thank you!
Jim

 

Been Waltzing them for quite a while, I never clean the wax off of a bullet. Load a bunch and then clean the die. just spray WD40, Hornady lube and cleaner whatever in your die use a Q-tip clean it out, takes 30 seconds. Screw your die back together with the same top to bottom dimension that you measured it at prior to taking it apart. I think mine is 3.070 but yours won't be. Just don't loosen the lock ring on the die body and it will be exactly the same every time. And if it ain't which it will be it won't matter. Got a nice lot of ammo that shoots into the high 1's or low 2's don't waltz them! Half inch ammo is not consistent enough to make a determination one way or the other and it won't matter.

I have waltzed a bunch of Eley match for squirrels and it makes a better squirrel round but as far as enhancing accuracy on them, well why don't you give it a try!

 

I have waltzed a bunch of Eley match for squirrels and it makes a better squirrel round but as far as enhancing accuracy on them, well why don't you give it a try!

Eley Match has the Eley tip right? You still hollow point the Eley tip?

 

BW stick, I Have never Hollowed the EPS.

Arky, I have never been so impatient (which is another way to say someone is scared that a squirrel may get away) that I would body shoot, That's just me, do as you wish. With more experience I think you will find that hollows give more room for error on small end shots as well. Level 5 here which is not all that uncommon in my neck of the woods the boys/ girls around here don't seem to have the problem that most guys do elsewhere! It's not that hard! Some and I think you may be one, think it is some kind of impossible feat. Thousands upon thousands of hunters do it every year nothing special here. Just seems to be uncommon amongst some of the folks on RFC. Shooting squirrels in the small end will definitely put you in the minority on RFC. One again it just isn't that hard, why make it seem like it is?

 

Lol. It was a joke, but I see you didn’t take it that way.
A head shot for me is not hard at all. No different than shooting em anywhere else. It’s a part of a squirrels body. That’s it. Nothing more. Head, heart, lungs, all body parts.
I don’t think I have ever said I can’t, won’t, or don’t shoot ‘em in the head, or that it’s hard to do.
In fact, I like head shots……I just don’t tell others what level hunters they are.

 

arky,

I did make a post describing the 5 levels of hunters as most that I hunt with and many that I don't hunt with understand it to be. I didn't coin it. I do believe there are different levels of hunters and shooters with the first being a beginner and of course that is a level 1. I see nothing wrong with the different levels on paper as they do exist in the real world. If one doesn't want to use it or believe there are different levels of experience and abilities of hunters and shooters I am ok with that. I just happen to believe that not all go straight from beginner to expert. I am glad to hear that you do not believe that small end shots are difficult, welcome to the minority. Perhaps you may have taken one of my posts wrong at sometime as we have discussed this before I believe. No problem here my friend. And I didn't tell anyone what level of hunters they are. Just provided a chart!

Man, I would hate to have to skin those six cold starter squirrels, that would make my arthritis scream at me.

 

I’m prob a level 3.5… I want to shoot all my squirrels in the head but sometimes I take a body shot when there out there 40 + yards

 

stick, I will bump it back up for you on the hunting forum.