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My criticisms of the CZ 457 lineup

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#1 ·
First off, I like CZs. I currently own two 527s, three 457s, and two 452s. I expect to purchase at least one or two more CZs in the future. So, my criticism comes from the perspective of a somewhat disappointed owner and likely future customer, not someone who hates them. Second, I only hunt and target practice with my rifles. I hunt in pastures, hayfields, neglected old orchards, and mature hardwood forests. I practice in field shooting positions (no bench except for initial sighting in).

The 457 is a great rifle in many ways. I now own three (Royal, Scout, American Suppressor Ready) as well as an additional Scout stock and an American walnut stock, for which I have future plans. They handle well, shoot great, and are well-made. The swappable barrel and stock design has potential, but other factors are currently limiting that. For all the strengths, however, the 457 lineup has some issues.

As a starting point, here is the current CZ-USA rimfire lineup:

A. The American has three subvariants. The "regular" American has a walnut stock, 20" barrel, and no sights. If you want an unsuppressed American-style .22 LR, it's hard to do better than this in today's market. The rifle feels well-balanced, shoots well, and looks good. The left-handed version is the same, but left-handed. Fine.

My criticism comes in with the Suppressor Ready (SR) version. The American SR is not available except with a synthetic stock. And the synthetic stock it comes with is subjectively ugly and feels cheap. Can this be worked around? Yes, but not easily. Why? Because the barrel kits have not been obtainable from CZ for months. So, you can't just order a SR barrel and put it on your regular American. And, if you try to replace the stock, the trigger guard is different for the regular version and the SR version. So, you need a stock and a new trigger guard if you want to put a wooden stock on an American SR. Anyway, I don't think a customer should have to effectively purchase two Americans and mix-and-match the parts to get a walnut-stocked American SR and an ugly, unsuppressed American. The American SR should have a walnut stock option.

Next, the SR barrel is 20”, which is about 4” longer than necessary for .22 LR to achieve full muzzle velocity potential and makes the rifle about 4" too long with a suppressor. No one needs a 26” long barrel + suppressor on a .22 LR with no sights. The rifle no longer feels as well-balanced once you put a suppressor on it. It goes from being a handy length for a woods hunting rifle to being more likely to snag on tree branches, brush, etc. Can it be worked around? Sure. I have other hunting rifles with 26" long barrels, most notably a .25-06 and a 7mm Rem Mag. The difference is that I get at least some more muzzle velocity and more mass (to mitigate recoil) and potentially a better balance point out of those rifles. So, any issues I have using them in the woods are at least somewhat offset by being more capable in other regards. I don't gain anything useful from the 20" SR barrel. If you do, that's fine. I'd love to hear the explanation.

Also, I am not left-handed, but I note that there is no left-handed option for the Suppressor Ready version. Can the customer work around some of these issues? Yes, but this omission seems strange to me. Did CZ's market research suggest that Americans who like walnut stocks don't like suppressors? Or that left-handed people don't like suppressors? Finally, I think it might be better if the American SR had a 16" barrel, but I can live with that limitation (especially if CZ fixed the Royal, more on which below).

B. The Jaguar has a 28.6” barrel and 1/2x28 (American standard) threads. It has good tangent sights and a long sight radius. With a normal length rimfire suppressor, you can end up with a 35" barrel. I do like the Jaguar though. It’s like a 21st-century Kentucky squirrel rifle (which had long barrels at least partially so that all the black powder had time to burn). It looks fun as hell, but not very practical for woods hunting. To me, it's an impractical rifle built for rifle lovers. Despite that, I could see myself getting one of these if it was available in .22 WMR. My criticism of the Jaguar is that it's only available in .22 LR. If I am going to have a rifle that makes a Gew 98 look short, it might as well have a cartridge that performs better at long range.

C. The Lux is a fine-looking rifle with a slightly shorter barrel than the Jaguar (25”). I have no issues with the Lux. I like that it is available in all three chamberings. In the absence of a Jaguar in .22 Magnum, the Lux seems like a good option. I could see myself getting one of these.

D. The Premium is allegedly a slightly nicer Lux with 1/2x20 (European standard) muzzle threads. If it is going to be sold over here, why doesn't it have 1/2x28 threads? This just seems like a poor decision. The rifle should be ready out of the box in the market in which it is sold. Yes, you can use an adapter, but that doesn't always work (more on this below) and isn't customer friendly. For the premium price on the Premium, I think it should probably have a full stock (and come in all three chamberings).

E. The Royal is the rifle I want to love. It could theoretically replace the walnut-stocked American SR I want. It has a 16” barrel and is a well-balanced rifle, with or without a suppressor, but it only has 1/2x20 threads (European standard) instead of 1/2x28 (American standard). This means you need an adapter, which doesn’t always work well and spoils the lines a bit. have been through absolute hell trying to get my Royal to shoot well using the adapter I purchased along with my Banish 22. I got a POI shift of three feet left and a foot down. My groups went from a quarter of an inch at 25 yards to eight inches at 25 yards. Upon further inspection, I got baffle strikes. It appears that no permanent damage was done to the suppressor. I am currently awaiting the opportunity to test out a new adapter that Silencer Central sent me, but this whole fiasco could have been avoided if they just made the rifle with American standard threads in the first place. The Royal needs 1/2x28 threads.

F. The Scout starts off well, checking a lot of boxes for a kid's first rifle. The short LOP beechwood stock looks nice. It has a nice 16” barrel and American threads. But the iron sights are terrible. The sight radius is too short (the sights are mounted in the same position relative to the receiver on all 457s, but this just doesn't work well with the Scout's 16" barrel). Most damning, however, the front sight wiggles from side to side if you attempt to adjust elevation. The rear sight only adjusts windage. None of the sights allow fine control or easy adjustment. You cannot use the Scout to teach sight adjustments to new shooters. The sight picture is also poor. In fact, the Scout's sights are so bad that I took them off. The Scout currently needs an optic or aftermarket sights to fulfill its potential. I would love to see CZ put better sights on the Scout.

G. The Varmint, in all its permutations, is a nice rifle, but has the same design defect as the American in that it is only available suppressor ready with a synthetic or laminate stock. Like the regular American, the regular Varmint is a great option if you don’t want threads. I can see myself getting a regular Varmint in 22 WMR.

I won't comment on the Chassis or Manners MTR. They seem fine, but rimfire rifles in that price range are not my bag, baby.

Since I am throwing out criticisms, I will also add that I also don’t like the 11mm rails on the 457. An integral picatinny rail or good old-fashioned tapped action (or both!) would be awesome. I have an aftermarket DIP rail on all my 457s.

The plastic chamber indicator and magazine bottom are other sore points for me. I replaced those with aftermarket options. It just seems like a silly, corner-cutting measure that doesn't really save much.

The huge roll branding on the stocks also doesn't appeal to me aesthetically.

Many of my issues with the poor designs could be mitigated if factory barrels were readily available. Other people's take-off barrels are relatively easy to find in the heavy variants, but not in the sporter configurations.

Finally, I would love to see a full stock version. Nothing says classy European rifle like a full length stock, tangent sights, etc. In the meantime, I will keep looking for the perfect 452 at the right price.
 
#2 ·
I went 455 for my Full Stocks, in 22LR and 17 HMR. The 452 FS for sale is rare, and pricey. Wonder what they would ask for a Walnut 457 FS?

I agree with you, CZ should absolutley prioritize production of spare barrels with US threads, and use them in any import rifles as well.
But I have a feeling CZ is busy making toys for the big boys north and east of their factories, who pay with gov't money for weapons that the civilians cannot have.

I also wish they'd use STANAG spec PIC rails, or even standard 3/8" rails, for crying out loud.
And the big laser cut printing on the side is cheesy.


I have zero issues with plastic mag bases. I have many multiples of plastic/polymer based magazines for handguns, and have never had a single problem. Doesn't bother me a bit, I'm even happy with polymer mags with polymer bases for a .22.

All of that said...CZ also makes these: Pretty nice. But this model has no decocker, despite being DA/SA. And no threaded barrel, you have to buy that seperate as well, or buy a different model entirely. Plastic bases on the mags! And that rail...ONE cut? Really?

My point being....we are never truly satisfied with CZ factory offerings! ;)

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#3 ·
Wow, that took a lot of thought and is well presented. I don't necessarily agree with all of it, though you make some excellent points. I very much like the 457 and had four; I am now down to two. None of them lasted as they were purchased. Instead, taking advantage of the incredible flexibility of the 457 platform, I transformed all into a desired version with the stocks, barrels, and caliber I wanted.

One of those I originally bought was a Lux, and two were .17 HMR, one in a synthetic stock and one in an American stock and I shoot only.22 LR, and didn't want the synthetic stock. The .17 HMR barrels and stock I didn't want were easily sold here in the RFC Marketplace. I just ended up selling the Lux.

In my "herd reduction" mode during the past 18 months or so, I sold two of my 457s. (I kept and will keep all four of my 452s as they ain't making 'em anymore and all shoot great -- and two are of the FS persuasion.) What 457s have I kept? One is an American, but I have the added flexibility of having a 20", 24", and a 28.6" Jaguar barrel (sights removed), all threaded. The other is a Varmint; I have a 20" Varmint barrel, and a 20" MTR barrel. But waiting in the wings is a Muller barrel that is being custom fitted to my Varmint receiver and should be delivered in January.

As I also have a spare Varmint stock, once the current Varmint receiver is fully committed to the Muller barrel, that spare Varmint stock and either of the two Varmint barrels could be used with the receiver currently wearing an American barrel and stock. And, finally, I have a Boyd's Evolution stock that can be used with any of the barrels.

Swapping barrels is very easy and takes me less than 10 minutes, then just use the stock that fits that barrel. The most time-consuming effort is re-sighting the scope. But I have mounted and sighted in scopes so many times over the years, I find it easy to do. (And, by the way, I like and prefer that 11 mm rail as there are some excellent rings that fit it well and one less part to mess with.)

You might find that a bit confusing, but I find the time and effort required for that flexibility to be modest and as I really like to tinker, kinda fun. And none of that would be possible without the 457.

Doug
 
#4 ·
Valid points on each. My main beef with the 457 American is the mud brown finish on the walnut stocks. Gimme the finish that they put on the 452 and 453. Those sticks were beautiful. The mud brown finish just hides what little grain the current walnut may or may not have.

Any threaded .22 should have a 16" barrel available as an option. I can't imagine welding a suppressed Jaguar.
 
#13 ·
Based on my measurements, the Varmint barrels won’t fit in the American or Royal stocks. Not to mention that they are obviously heavier.

I also haven’t seen a lot of Scout barrels that people have removed and replaced, unlike with the heavy barrels. Admittedly, I haven’t been looking for that long.

There are workarounds for a lot of issues. My criticism centers on my belief that the customer shouldn’t have to work around at least some of my issues. The barrel threading is foremost in the list of “unforced errors.”
 
#7 ·
I own two 457s, a 2021-vintage American (which had a 24.6" barrel shortened to an even 24" due to muzzle damage) and a 2023-vintage MTR. Both are great rifles about which I have zero complaints. Suppression is not something that interests me.

I will take issue with your assumption that 16" of barrel length is ideal in that it allows a rifle chambered for the 22LR cartridge to develop its full velocity potential. I performed a test with bolt-action rifles with barrel lengths of 16, 20 and 24 inches using target velocity and hunting velocity ammunition of the same brand and bullet. Over my chronograph, the 16" was slowest, the 20" was fastest and the 24" fell in between with both loads. Granted, that's a test using just three rifles and only one brand of ammunition but I think it pretty much tells the tale. I encourage you to perform your own test over your chronograph with your rifles and brand of ammunition. Of course, a more perfect test would be to start with a 24" barrel and clock its muzzle velocities as you cut inches from it but of course, that would only be indicative of one barrel's performance so...

Otherwise, interesting thoughts.

Ed
 
#15 ·
I will confess that I don’t have a huge pile of data on the optimal barrel length for a .22 LR. A guy I shoot with did a test cutting back a barrel a few years ago and reported velocity started to go down between 16” and 17” inches. I have seen similar reports on the Internet. But I bet there is probably someone out there with a statistically significant sample size.
 
#8 ·
I picked my 457 based on the easiest way for me to get the rifle in the condition I want it. I was looking for a ~20" barrelled, match chambered, wood stock, threaded rifle. Didn't exist. Easier way for me to get there was to buy the Varmint MTR and have the barrel threaded. Sure, it would be cheaper if they had that option available from the factory, but I know a machinist that has done a fine job threading a couple other barrels for me. He will be threading this one too, likely for free as we trade jobs.
 
#10 ·
It makes sense to me that velocities of different ammunition will factor into the question of optimum barrel length. Clearly, various brands and types of ammo use varying types and amounts of powder. I'm not buying an argument that says "X" inches of barrel always produces the highest velocity. Ergo......In God We Trust, all others must bring data.

Don't know the origin of this, but here it is. Feel free to try and draw your own conclusions.

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#20 ·
It makes sense to me that velocities of different ammunition will factor into the question of optimum barrel length
Is there supposed to be a consistent relationship between optimum barrel length and ammo MV? What's desired -- faster or slower rounds?

Two barrels of the same length can have different MVs with the same ammo. Shorter barrels can be faster than longer ones and vise versa. Faster .22LR ammo drops less than slower ammo but drifts more in wind.

The chart reproduced in the post is from "Ballistics by the inch" and should be used with a good measure of caution and questions about its usefulness. The "data" it shows are from small sample sizes and are not obtained from the same barrels. Different barrels/bores of the same length do not necessarily produce the same MVs.
 
#25 ·
OP very well organized and expressed.

Fully agree on the Scout iron sights. Added a DIP rail (cut down and re-blued) to forward mount a Skinner sight.

Skinner results were better but not by that much. The smoother barrel without the factory rear looks cleaner though.
And I do like to tinker, so that worked out too.

My working sight setup is a Primary Arms 3x SLX. Small, light , and perfect for hunting distances.
 
#29 ·
First off, I like CZs. I currently own two 527s, three 457s, and two 452s. I expect to purchase at least one or two more CZs in the future. So, my criticism comes from the perspective of a somewhat disappointed owner and likely future customer, not someone who hates them. Second, I only hunt and target practice with my rifles. I hunt in pastures, hayfields, neglected old orchards, and mature hardwood forests. I practice in field shooting positions (no bench except for initial sighting in).

The 457 is a great rifle in many ways. I now own three (Royal, Scout, American Suppressor Ready) as well as an additional Scout stock and an American walnut stock, for which I have future plans. They handle well, shoot great, and are well-made. The swappable barrel and stock design has potential, but other factors are currently limiting that. For all the strengths, however, the 457 lineup has some issues.

As a starting point, here is the current CZ-USA rimfire lineup:

A. The American has three subvariants. The "regular" American has a walnut stock, 20" barrel, and no sights. If you want an unsuppressed American-style .22 LR, it's hard to do better than this in today's market. The rifle feels well-balanced, shoots well, and looks good. The left-handed version is the same, but left-handed. Fine.

My criticism comes in with the Suppressor Ready (SR) version. The American SR is not available except with a synthetic stock. And the synthetic stock it comes with is subjectively ugly and feels cheap. Can this be worked around? Yes, but not easily. Why? Because the barrel kits have not been obtainable from CZ for months. So, you can't just order a SR barrel and put it on your regular American. And, if you try to replace the stock, the trigger guard is different for the regular version and the SR version. So, you need a stock and a new trigger guard if you want to put a wooden stock on an American SR. Anyway, I don't think a customer should have to effectively purchase two Americans and mix-and-match the parts to get a walnut-stocked American SR and an ugly, unsuppressed American. The American SR should have a walnut stock option.

Next, the SR barrel is 20”, which is about 4” longer than necessary for .22 LR to achieve full muzzle velocity potential and makes the rifle about 4" too long with a suppressor. No one needs a 26” long barrel + suppressor on a .22 LR with no sights. The rifle no longer feels as well-balanced once you put a suppressor on it. It goes from being a handy length for a woods hunting rifle to being more likely to snag on tree branches, brush, etc. Can it be worked around? Sure. I have other hunting rifles with 26" long barrels, most notably a .25-06 and a 7mm Rem Mag. The difference is that I get at least some more muzzle velocity and more mass (to mitigate recoil) and potentially a better balance point out of those rifles. So, any issues I have using them in the woods are at least somewhat offset by being more capable in other regards. I don't gain anything useful from the 20" SR barrel. If you do, that's fine. I'd love to hear the explanation.

Also, I am not left-handed, but I note that there is no left-handed option for the Suppressor Ready version. Can the customer work around some of these issues? Yes, but this omission seems strange to me. Did CZ's market research suggest that Americans who like walnut stocks don't like suppressors? Or that left-handed people don't like suppressors? Finally, I think it might be better if the American SR had a 16" barrel, but I can live with that limitation (especially if CZ fixed the Royal, more on which below).

B. The Jaguar has a 28.6” barrel and 1/2x28 (American standard) threads. It has good tangent sights and a long sight radius. With a normal length rimfire suppressor, you can end up with a 35" barrel. I do like the Jaguar though. It’s like a 21st-century Kentucky squirrel rifle (which had long barrels at least partially so that all the black powder had time to burn). It looks fun as hell, but not very practical for woods hunting. To me, it's an impractical rifle built for rifle lovers. Despite that, I could see myself getting one of these if it was available in .22 WMR. My criticism of the Jaguar is that it's only available in .22 LR. If I am going to have a rifle that makes a Gew 98 look short, it might as well have a cartridge that performs better at long range.

C. The Lux is a fine-looking rifle with a slightly shorter barrel than the Jaguar (25”). I have no issues with the Lux. I like that it is available in all three chamberings. In the absence of a Jaguar in .22 Magnum, the Lux seems like a good option. I could see myself getting one of these.

D. The Premium is allegedly a slightly nicer Lux with 1/2x20 (European standard) muzzle threads. If it is going to be sold over here, why doesn't it have 1/2x28 threads? This just seems like a poor decision. The rifle should be ready out of the box in the market in which it is sold. Yes, you can use an adapter, but that doesn't always work (more on this below) and isn't customer friendly. For the premium price on the Premium, I think it should probably have a full stock (and come in all three chamberings).

E. The Royal is the rifle I want to love. It could theoretically replace the walnut-stocked American SR I want. It has a 16” barrel and is a well-balanced rifle, with or without a suppressor, but it only has 1/2x20 threads (European standard) instead of 1/2x28 (American standard). This means you need an adapter, which doesn’t always work well and spoils the lines a bit. have been through absolute hell trying to get my Royal to shoot well using the adapter I purchased along with my Banish 22. I got a POI shift of three feet left and a foot down. My groups went from a quarter of an inch at 25 yards to eight inches at 25 yards. Upon further inspection, I got baffle strikes. It appears that no permanent damage was done to the suppressor. I am currently awaiting the opportunity to test out a new adapter that Silencer Central sent me, but this whole fiasco could have been avoided if they just made the rifle with American standard threads in the first place. The Royal needs 1/2x28 threads.

F. The Scout starts off well, checking a lot of boxes for a kid's first rifle. The short LOP beechwood stock looks nice. It has a nice 16” barrel and American threads. But the iron sights are terrible. The sight radius is too short (the sights are mounted in the same position relative to the receiver on all 457s, but this just doesn't work well with the Scout's 16" barrel). Most damning, however, the front sight wiggles from side to side if you attempt to adjust elevation. The rear sight only adjusts windage. None of the sights allow fine control or easy adjustment. You cannot use the Scout to teach sight adjustments to new shooters. The sight picture is also poor. In fact, the Scout's sights are so bad that I took them off. The Scout currently needs an optic or aftermarket sights to fulfill its potential. I would love to see CZ put better sights on the Scout.

G. The Varmint, in all its permutations, is a nice rifle, but has the same design defect as the American in that it is only available suppressor ready with a synthetic or laminate stock. Like the regular American, the regular Varmint is a great option if you don’t want threads. I can see myself getting a regular Varmint in 22 WMR.

I won't comment on the Chassis or Manners MTR. They seem fine, but rimfire rifles in that price range are not my bag, baby.

Since I am throwing out criticisms, I will also add that I also don’t like the 11mm rails on the 457. An integral picatinny rail or good old-fashioned tapped action (or both!) would be awesome. I have an aftermarket DIP rail on all my 457s.

The plastic chamber indicator and magazine bottom are other sore points for me. I replaced those with aftermarket options. It just seems like a silly, corner-cutting measure that doesn't really save much.

The huge roll branding on the stocks also doesn't appeal to me aesthetically.

Many of my issues with the poor designs could be mitigated if factory barrels were readily available. Other people's take-off barrels are relatively easy to find in the heavy variants, but not in the sporter configurations.

Finally, I would love to see a full stock version. Nothing says classy European rifle like a full length stock, tangent sights, etc. In the meantime, I will keep looking for the perfect 452 at the right price.
My CZ 457 American barrel is 24 inches and it is perfectly balanced. My CZ 452 barrel is 29.5 inches and it balances and shoots just fine. My Anschutz 54.30 barrel is 25 inches and it shoots one hole groups in good wind conditions with R50 or R100. My F Class rifles have 30 and 32 inch barrels specifically because I can get to a higher velocity node without a powder charge that would destroy the brass.

The thing many people who subscribe to the 16 inch rimfire barrel length don't understand is that when the powder is burned, the pressure is at it's peak. That pressure continues to push the bullet as it drops due to interior barrel volume increasing which eventually causes the pressure to drop to the point that it cannot maintain the velocity. I think too many people have been doing their testing with semiautos. The issue with semiautos is the speed with which the bolt is driven back. It seems that a drop in velocity at some point would be due to the bolt having pulled the spent shell from the breech before the bullet has left the barrel. That would result in the pressure bleeding out the Breech and no longer driving the bullet forward. In that scenario one can easily understand how increasing barrel length could be perceived as a negative.
 
#31 ·
First off, I like CZs. I currently own two 527s, three 457s, and two 452s. I expect to purchase at least one or two more CZs in the future. So, my criticism comes from the perspective of a somewhat disappointed owner and likely future customer, not someone who hates them. Second, I only hunt and target practice with my rifles. I hunt in pastures, hayfields, neglected old orchards, and mature hardwood forests. I practice in field shooting positions (no bench except for initial sighting in).

The 457 is a great rifle in many ways. I now own three (Royal, Scout, American Suppressor Ready) as well as an additional Scout stock and an American walnut stock, for which I have future plans. They handle well, shoot great, and are well-made. The swappable barrel and stock design has potential, but other factors are currently limiting that. For all the strengths, however, the 457 lineup has some issues.

As a starting point, here is the current CZ-USA rimfire lineup:

A. The American has three subvariants. The "regular" American has a walnut stock, 20" barrel, and no sights. If you want an unsuppressed American-style .22 LR, it's hard to do better than this in today's market. The rifle feels well-balanced, shoots well, and looks good. The left-handed version is the same, but left-handed. Fine.

My criticism comes in with the Suppressor Ready (SR) version. The American SR is not available except with a synthetic stock. And the synthetic stock it comes with is subjectively ugly and feels cheap. Can this be worked around? Yes, but not easily. Why? Because the barrel kits have not been obtainable from CZ for months. So, you can't just order a SR barrel and put it on your regular American. And, if you try to replace the stock, the trigger guard is different for the regular version and the SR version. So, you need a stock and a new trigger guard if you want to put a wooden stock on an American SR. Anyway, I don't think a customer should have to effectively purchase two Americans and mix-and-match the parts to get a walnut-stocked American SR and an ugly, unsuppressed American. The American SR should have a walnut stock option.

Next, the SR barrel is 20”, which is about 4” longer than necessary for .22 LR to achieve full muzzle velocity potential and makes the rifle about 4" too long with a suppressor. No one needs a 26” long barrel + suppressor on a .22 LR with no sights. The rifle no longer feels as well-balanced once you put a suppressor on it. It goes from being a handy length for a woods hunting rifle to being more likely to snag on tree branches, brush, etc. Can it be worked around? Sure. I have other hunting rifles with 26" long barrels, most notably a .25-06 and a 7mm Rem Mag. The difference is that I get at least some more muzzle velocity and more mass (to mitigate recoil) and potentially a better balance point out of those rifles. So, any issues I have using them in the woods are at least somewhat offset by being more capable in other regards. I don't gain anything useful from the 20" SR barrel. If you do, that's fine. I'd love to hear the explanation.

Also, I am not left-handed, but I note that there is no left-handed option for the Suppressor Ready version. Can the customer work around some of these issues? Yes, but this omission seems strange to me. Did CZ's market research suggest that Americans who like walnut stocks don't like suppressors? Or that left-handed people don't like suppressors? Finally, I think it might be better if the American SR had a 16" barrel, but I can live with that limitation (especially if CZ fixed the Royal, more on which below).

B. The Jaguar has a 28.6” barrel and 1/2x28 (American standard) threads. It has good tangent sights and a long sight radius. With a normal length rimfire suppressor, you can end up with a 35" barrel. I do like the Jaguar though. It’s like a 21st-century Kentucky squirrel rifle (which had long barrels at least partially so that all the black powder had time to burn). It looks fun as hell, but not very practical for woods hunting. To me, it's an impractical rifle built for rifle lovers. Despite that, I could see myself getting one of these if it was available in .22 WMR. My criticism of the Jaguar is that it's only available in .22 LR. If I am going to have a rifle that makes a Gew 98 look short, it might as well have a cartridge that performs better at long range.

C. The Lux is a fine-looking rifle with a slightly shorter barrel than the Jaguar (25”). I have no issues with the Lux. I like that it is available in all three chamberings. In the absence of a Jaguar in .22 Magnum, the Lux seems like a good option. I could see myself getting one of these.

D. The Premium is allegedly a slightly nicer Lux with 1/2x20 (European standard) muzzle threads. If it is going to be sold over here, why doesn't it have 1/2x28 threads? This just seems like a poor decision. The rifle should be ready out of the box in the market in which it is sold. Yes, you can use an adapter, but that doesn't always work (more on this below) and isn't customer friendly. For the premium price on the Premium, I think it should probably have a full stock (and come in all three chamberings).

E. The Royal is the rifle I want to love. It could theoretically replace the walnut-stocked American SR I want. It has a 16” barrel and is a well-balanced rifle, with or without a suppressor, but it only has 1/2x20 threads (European standard) instead of 1/2x28 (American standard). This means you need an adapter, which doesn’t always work well and spoils the lines a bit. have been through absolute hell trying to get my Royal to shoot well using the adapter I purchased along with my Banish 22. I got a POI shift of three feet left and a foot down. My groups went from a quarter of an inch at 25 yards to eight inches at 25 yards. Upon further inspection, I got baffle strikes. It appears that no permanent damage was done to the suppressor. I am currently awaiting the opportunity to test out a new adapter that Silencer Central sent me, but this whole fiasco could have been avoided if they just made the rifle with American standard threads in the first place. The Royal needs 1/2x28 threads.

F. The Scout starts off well, checking a lot of boxes for a kid's first rifle. The short LOP beechwood stock looks nice. It has a nice 16” barrel and American threads. But the iron sights are terrible. The sight radius is too short (the sights are mounted in the same position relative to the receiver on all 457s, but this just doesn't work well with the Scout's 16" barrel). Most damning, however, the front sight wiggles from side to side if you attempt to adjust elevation. The rear sight only adjusts windage. None of the sights allow fine control or easy adjustment. You cannot use the Scout to teach sight adjustments to new shooters. The sight picture is also poor. In fact, the Scout's sights are so bad that I took them off. The Scout currently needs an optic or aftermarket sights to fulfill its potential. I would love to see CZ put better sights on the Scout.

G. The Varmint, in all its permutations, is a nice rifle, but has the same design defect as the American in that it is only available suppressor ready with a synthetic or laminate stock. Like the regular American, the regular Varmint is a great option if you don’t want threads. I can see myself getting a regular Varmint in 22 WMR.

I won't comment on the Chassis or Manners MTR. They seem fine, but rimfire rifles in that price range are not my bag, baby.

Since I am throwing out criticisms, I will also add that I also don’t like the 11mm rails on the 457. An integral picatinny rail or good old-fashioned tapped action (or both!) would be awesome. I have an aftermarket DIP rail on all my 457s.

The plastic chamber indicator and magazine bottom are other sore points for me. I replaced those with aftermarket options. It just seems like a silly, corner-cutting measure that doesn't really save much.

The huge roll branding on the stocks also doesn't appeal to me aesthetically.

Many of my issues with the poor designs could be mitigated if factory barrels were readily available. Other people's take-off barrels are relatively easy to find in the heavy variants, but not in the sporter configurations.

Finally, I would love to see a full stock version. Nothing says classy European rifle like a full length stock, tangent sights, etc. In the meantime, I will keep looking for the perfect 452 at the right price.
The plastic bolt shroud bothers me more than the loaded chamber indicator or mag well. I had a brand new one lock up due to the loaded chamber indicator being all bent up. I replaced them just because, after experiencing that. Now I have a reason to.
 
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I bought the Royal 16” as a full time suppressor host and couldn’t be happier. I replaced the things I didn’t like. Could live without the branding. Replaced the bolt knob, mag release and mag well with DIP products. Replaced the LCI with a stainless one. I use the Silencer Co thread adapter and it has worked fine.
My Royal is accurate. It’s mostly a 25yd squirrel buster, but she shoots quite well at 50. Best accuracy comes from a clean bore. It will stack em at 25 with the right ammo.
The factory trigger on mine is great. Adjusted down to 1.25lbs.

And I kinda like the look of the adapter on a skinny barrel.

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I own a royal 20in. I shoot it suppressed with a dead air mask and a adapter. If they threads bother you. You can always get a different barrel. Mine is crazy accurate. I have killed several squirrels between 80-100 yard mark. Mine loves rws subsonic hp the best so far. Also likes the norma subsonic. Which I am sure is the same round. I own a mtr also that I shoot bench with. My royal is hands down my favorite rifle. The only rifle I might would like more would be a anschutz but I like my royal so much I don't think there is really a need.
 
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I'm new to CZ, been out of shooting sports for many years and saw my first CZ just a couple months ago. That gun was a Royal and I was immediately impressed. Although I'm not a fan of the checkering the walnut stock was very nice and the action was one of the smoothest of any of the guns I tested. My other .22 is a mint Remington 581 with a horrible trigger so the adjustable trigger on the 457 caught my attention. Just last week I purchased a brand new 457 Varmint MTR and I'm in the process of mounting a Leupold Mark 4. First order of business was adjusting the trigger pull that was just a little under 4 pounds. The CZ video that explains the process is terrible and with assistance from others on this forum I now have a Match Target Rifle with a trigger pull of 3 lbs. 11 ounces. This is the lowest it will go. Period!
I now follow thread after thread about replacing springs, Timney and Jard triggers. I shouldn't have to spend $200 on a new trigger before I even fire a shot. This may be a great rifle, I don't know yet, but come on CZ you can do better than that!
 
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There's a specific velocity zone where the wind drift is increased by higher velocities, once you can exceed that speed the expectation of higher speeds decreasing wind drift does come back into play. I forget the exact speed zone but someone will be able to recall it. It's factored in with ballistic calculators so you can enter velocity numbers and see the difference that it makes.
 
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Wow. CZ offers 15 variants of the 457, as well as interchangeable barrels and a healthy selection of aftermarket options to make your 457 truly custom to you.

Tikka offers two variants of the T1x -- 16" barrel or 20" barrel, the end.

It's hard to please some people.
Well… the interchangeable barrels is a moot point if the CZ barrels are not available.

The 15 variants also doesn’t work if key aspects of some variants cause problems.

I don’t own a Tikka, but I strongly considered getting one instead of my Royal. Tikka may only have a couple of options, but they at least put American threads on those options.