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KIDD Supergrade Receiver Questions

5.8K views 23 replies 15 participants last post by  Yosemite Sam  
#1 ·
First off, I currently have a Supergrade barreled action with KIDD bolt and single stage trigger. First stock (chassis) install didn't go smoothly. WOOX Wild Man stock required some serious material removal to get the Supergrade to fit. I wasn't happy with it and put into a Euro Supermatch stock from Stocky's which also required some some material removal in order to get the Supergrade to fit properly. I put the Supergrade into a Hogue Overmolded stock to see if it go in and it dropped right in with no issues. I am going to order the extra Supergrade barrels so I have a choice of different style barrels.

My question is what is different between the Supergrade receiver from regular 10/22 receivers that causes fitment problems? KIDD site says the Supergrade receivers fit 10/22 stocks (without the rear tang) but that has not been the case for me. I have also read of other Supergrade owners having to fit their Supergrade receivers to various stocks as well.

I want put together another KIDD rifle but use the aluminum classic slip fit receiver with the thought that hopefully I won't have issues with mounting into any other 10/22 stock in the future.

I'm thinking of installing the Supergrade into a Grey Birch chassis to have a different style stock/chassis to mix things up once in awhile. I've conversed with several people who have done the same thing and they all said their Supergrades dropped right into the Grey Birch chassis with no fitment required. A couple of people have said that when they installed their Supergrade into an MDT Oryx chassis they had to remove some material from the Oryx to get their Supergrades to fit properly.

Sooooooo, it appears there is some dimensional difference with the Supergrade receiver and other 10/22 style receivers. Is the KIDD Classic receiver the same dimensions as other 10/22 style receivers, i.e., doesn't require stock modification in order to fit properly?

Because of the issues that 'I' have experienced with the Supergrade receiver, I'm thinking of using a different receiver and install a KiDD barrel and trigger assemby. Hopefully avoiding the receiver fitment problems.

Anyone else experienced fitment issues with KIDD receivers?

Love my Supergrade once I finally got it to fit into my Euro Supermatch stock. Just don't think I'll be swapping stocks with it (maybe a Grey Birch chassis).
 
#2 ·
I did about the same ordered a Kidd super grade barrel auction it would not fit my Hunter X22 which seems odd since that is the stock Kidd sells. It would not fit the Archangel. But fit a thumb hole Revolution just fine it also fit a Hogue fine. I ended up using a KRG stock which fit great and is one great stock I do believe Boyds makes a stock just for the Kidd. The KRG set up is by far my best shooting .22. Ham77
 
#3 · (Edited)
I would think any effort required to "fit" the Super Grade into the stock of your choice would be worth the effort. Especially since its so easy to remove and clean the barrel, change it from heavy to light to create a completely different rifle. Since it fit into the Hogue, I would assume the other two stocks are the problem, not the Kidd specs. Where did you have to remove the material from to get it to fit?

Mine is also in the KRG stock with rear tang. After reading about a mod on it here on the forum, I did mine too. By removing the rear ledge that the rear action fits under, you completely remove any tension that is being applied at the rear and now use the rear tang screw with a torque wrench to get a repeatable tension. This feature alone would have me choose a rear tang on anything it would fit on and the Super Grade barreled action is only $5 more than the Slip Fit. Some have taken the time to mod many other stocks to accept the Kidd rear tang. I would remove the ledge on anything I would use on the SG as the variable fit nature from stock to stock would never be a positive!
 
#4 ·
I haven't attempted to put my SG into a chassis or Magpul, but I've found it will readily go into any standard stock used for a Ruger, KIDD, or other after-market receiver builds, like the Hogue, Evo, among others.

Doug
 
#5 ·
Here is a good answer. Sent this to Kidd the other day.

When you bed the MagPul stock, do you remove the ledge down inside the stock so that the rear tang screw is the only pressure on the rear of the action?

The answer was pretty short with "YES". Glad to get this validation on the issue of using the rear tang. In case you are a non-tang, it might be good to get with it.
 
#7 · (Edited)
Jazzsax8 could you provide a link to this mod you refer too on removing a part of the KRG bravo for the Kidd tang?
I do not have a mod link. I only read about someone doing it and for him it was a positive. After thinking about it a little more, I called KRG and asked them about removing the ledge and they said it sounded like a good idea. So, its the "ledge" that seems to be in all 10/22 stocks at the rear where you tilt the action up a little when installing and get the trigger/action area under the ledge. And it seems this ledge is what is holding somewhat on the rear of the action. After thinking more about it, this ledge is probably never in some perfect position holding the rear with the exact amount of tension that will be best vs good. When you have a rear tang on the action like the one used on the KRG Bravo stock, remove the ledge down below and now all you have holding the rear is the bolt going through the rear tang. And now you torque starting at 10"lbs and test some ammo. Add a little extra torque and test more. At least you now have a known commodity of tension at your rear action anchor point where the "ledge" could never be quantified by comparison. I know my Kidd SG seems to shoot a little tighter since I did it but time will tell. The fact that Kidd removes this same "ledge" when they bed their SG action in the MagPul stock with rear tang is very encouraging that its best vs just ok. I am thinking that by adding the rear tang to any 10/22 action and in-letting it into your stock, you now have an improved situation. I have now posted this idea more than a few times with NO feedback or the normal naysayers.

Do not remove the rear "ledge" unless you plan to add the rear tang and inlet the stock for it!
 
#12 ·
Generally if a company will not respond to a question I have about their product prior to purchase then that company will not get my business because if they will not respond before they have my money if I have a problem with their product what makes me think they will respond after they already have my money in their pocket?
 
#13 ·
Also planning to drop my new Kidd super grade into a KRG bravo sitting on my shelf.
A photo of the ledge removed would be most helpful.

For those running a Kidd super grade and KRG bravo was any drilling or dremmel work required to get at the two barrel removal hex screws while action is mounted in stock?
 
#14 ·
Mine is shooting well enough I hate to take it apart to get a picture for you but if I do, will post it. When you look down from the top, I recall a rounded half-circle at the rear. The ledge protrudes out from it. I used a round sanding disk to remove it. The barrel removal hex screws come out easily using the correct hex bit that is long enough to reach the hex heads. Mine came used installed but I did not see any marks on the aluminum channel to suggest it needed to be modified. It puts 6 marks on the side of the receiver not visible of course installed that make for a very nice fit.
 
#15 ·
I sent an email to Wiland a couple of weeks ago asking if the KIDD receiver would fit their chassis without any any modification and their response was pretty vague. "If the dimensions of the KiDD receiver are the same as Ruger's dimensions it should fit fine".
Not a clear answer to the question. I ordered one of their chassis anyway...because I want one.
 
#17 ·
Good morning!

I just got done assembling a Kidd Supergrade in a Victor Titan stock, with Victor's proprietary rear tang. It went together with zero difficulty, requiring no modification. Removing the barreled action for cleaning or barrel swap is a no brainer too.
 
#18 ·
I am planning a Supergrade build and want to use the KRG Bravo stock. I also have a Victor Titan stock on another 10-22 that could be used. I do tend to swap parts around.

The info provided in this thread is appreciated. Hopefully I'll be able to work through the modifications to the Bravo and get the Supergrade barreled action properly installed.

Thanks to all,

Jim
 
#20 ·
The one thing that still makes no sense to me is why Boyd’s offers a “Kidd receiver” stock option yet they still don’t make the cut for the rear tang, seems like it’s a 2 minutes worth of work on the CNC plans and they could Become a primary option for Kidd actions. Seems like we need to start an email campaign.
 
#22 ·
The Kidd works just fine using the front fastener.

And if Boyd's setup to modify the stock, they have to machine the slot then make provisions to put a thread insert in the slot. At that point it would be too expensive.
So instead of complaining Boyds doesn't provide the option, you and OP will be complaining it's too expensive.
Somebody at Boyds is probably thinking why bother? Why do we need to hear the backchat on the web
And the other thought is, if we modify 20 stocks, how many are we going to sell?
 
#21 ·
FYI: I emailed Boyds last year inquiring what the difference was between the stock listed for a KIDD action vs Ruger 10/22 action and was told there is no difference besides the item number. I think it's for marketing. I think Boyds could sell more stocks if they offered a real 'KIDD' stock option with the rear tang hole instead of being a bit shady offering one that just says it's made for a KIDD.
 
#23 ·
Well... some KIDD owners would like to have options to use the rear tang in a wood/laminate stock besides the two polymer stocks currently available. It is really expensive to have a competent gunsmith to do the custom inletting, if you can find one who does that type of work. They wouldn't have to make a large number of stocks. They could offer it as an additional option when purchasing a stock, like custom checkering/engraving.
 
#24 ·
I have a Kidd supergrade with KRG Bravo 10/22 stock and rear tang screw. It has a two stage 3oz/3oz trigger and 36x Sightron scope. My wife also has a supergrade with a Boyds At-One stock with action screw only, a two stage 8oz/8oz trigger and Vortex 8x-24x scope. No fitment issues with either of these stocks/barreled actions. We both shoot SK High Velocity Match and SK Semi-auto Rifle. Occasionally one of us will shoot RWS Target Rifle but that has gotten hard to find. Both rifles shoot each of these three types of ammo equally well and groups are sub-one half inch at 50 yards with the occasional flyer. Seems that the rear tang, at least for me, has little to no effect on groups.
Sam