I'm guessing you are referring to off-hand shooting and not benchrest shooting. We do have a 3 postition forum which might prove to be a better place to throw down your gauntlet.

Off the bench, I would not hesitate to put my money on any of several fellows who own benchrest guns in the $3,000 plus category against your CZ/Bushnell combo.

My guess is you will be using CCI Green Tag ammo too, right? GG

 

Well said GG.
Team Top Gun, If you want to try your hand at benchrest shooting, go to the on-line matches section, read the rules, get a gauge and order some targets and give it a try. It is open to all people that want to shoot. Try it you might enjoy it. BTW there are some good shooters and some good state teams.
graybeard

 

I couldn't find a John Simone in the ARA news in Louisiana. What sanctioned BR matches use the Black Death target as an official target? What benchrest game do you shoot? Want to talk about an intimidating target look at the ARA or USBR target and think about having the goal being to keep all 25 shots inside that 1/2" circle which is the smallest target on the BD.

Next weekend there are a couple of ARA shoots in Louisiana. One at Cern's rimfire range and another at the Bullet Trap. Try your hand there and then come back here and give us your results. Then we'll see how well an expert such as yourself with that big bad CZ with the Bushnell scope did against a couple of average shots with them thar fancy rifles.

Greybeard, we want to send this guy to a sanctioned shoot with witnesses. Not sure I'd trust him shooting all by himself and reporting his scores in an e-mail match. Why I bet he would report a 250=17X right off the bat.

 

DON'T YOU JUST LOVE IT

That's right you won't find my name on a bench rest book but trust me I dont need to be. I was too busy inventing a new shooting sport for the last 5 years. Not easy either. You have to make up something that will challenge the best. If you guys are the best Sept 25 will tell. I'm putting up a lot more than $3000 worth of prizes so it will certainly be worth your while.

We will even invite you over and teach you how before the match and show you everything we know about it.

Pure bench shooting is great, and so is Met Sil, but put them together and its a whole new ball game. We know for a fact it will drive you crazy, and we dont care about record books, prior titles or how much your gun cost. No body is a master of the Top Gun Challenge.

Now look guys dont take this too serious its all in fun. But every shooter that ever shot the match goes home saying "yep he was right."

Ok Dave you can let the Belly Dancers back in I'm done messing with the Texans.

 

TTG,
Shame on you stirring the pot already. Have fun with this one guys.

 

Buster already won La Benchrest

Buster Carter now age 13 has won Louisiana bench rest twice I have the list right in front of me here. He is a Top Gun League shooter. He has been trying for three years to win Top Gun Challenge won the first time and took 2nd in 2002 and 3 thats pretty good. I could care less about who wins a bench match my only concern is to keep the soldiers and the kids interested in shooting.

We have seen all the great bench shooters already, if you want to play Top Gun Challenge show up pay your 15 bucks and see how you do. There will be plenty of witneses. When you only have one chance at a Black Death target, and that icy chill runs through you and you realize you may not be as good as you think you are. I have only one question, "Do you feel lucky?"

 

A fair game indeed

I hope i dont cause a beer bottle fight among top gun shooters to try this. But i will go as far to say that a top shooter in Top Gun Challenge could outshoot your best person with his own gun at 50 yards on a BDT, Then taking the Squirrel Rifle of the top gun shooter both would have to shoot a BDT at 25 yards. Then it becomes a game of skill not expensive gear and all things are equal. There will be a bench at Top Gun Challenge 2004 all ready and waiting for your knight in shining armour to take on the barbarian. Now im not the best at top gun I managed 3rd place once so do you want me or a top gun champion to spank you.

Can a Texan resist this

 

I just gotta ask. Did Buster Carter use a CZ and Bushnell scope?
Thankyou Kevin Kunkle

 

Spank me?

I don't think so sonny. I'm an old man, and I still don't think so. Tell you what. If you're such a good shooter, then come show all these unskilled benchresters how you can win their matches so easily. If you're good you should have no trouble, right? I've said it before, all of us have our better and he may not be sittin right next to you!

You will not make many friends with such talk as you have posted. That is not the way to promote your sport. Course if'n you was just tryin to be a ASK, you centainly did a good job.

 

Originally posted by Simone: Then taking the Squirrel Rifle of the top gun shooter both would have to shoot a BDT at 25 yards. Then it becomes a game of skill not expensive gear and all things are equal.

I can't really tell if you are speaking from bravado or just ignorance. It is completely illogical that a "skilled" marksman could shoot a better score with a "squirrel rifle" than with an accurate target gun. If you are shooting a gun that at best can hold 1 1/2" groups @ 50 yards & you happen to get an "X", there was as much luck involved as skill. With a gun that will group 1/4" at that distance, at least you know that if it doesn't go where you want it, it was you, not the gun. The only true way to evaluate your own performance is to have equipment that is capable of better than what you can get out of it.

That being said, I will agree that the typical BR gun is not really suited for offhand competition. The stock configuration, weight & scope magnification are perfect for BR but not designed to hold & shoot offhand. That doesn't mean that the gun is inferior. A dump truck wouldn't do too well in a sports car race but on the other hand a Corvette won't haul much gravel either...

I'm sure you enjoy your game as much as we do ours but coming on a BR forum & telling everyone that our game sucks & yours is better and that you are the greatest shots in the world & we're a bunch of losers is not the best way to encourage someone to try your game.

 

Claybuster gets an A+ for the day and gets to go home an hour early if he wants to.

Ron

 

Claybuster gets an A+ for the day and gets to go home an hour early if he wants to.

Ron

I second that:t

 

Team Top Gun,

Your website doesn't mention it that I saw, is the match shot off-hand or from the bench?

Now I've shot this target from the bench and done well with it. By no means am I going to claim to be the best, but fact is your claim that the best of the BR shooters can't compete with the best of your BDT shooters is silly in my view. I have shot the BDT and once even scored a 50 on it, and yes it did take more than 1 attempt. But that is nothing offical and I have no plans of driving to La. to prove anything. What I will say is that I have also tried the USBR targets, and to be able to hit 25 individual .1" bullseyes is quite a bit tougher in my view.

Have you shot the USBR taget? If you haven't give it a try, I know that many here have shot the BDT and the USBR.

When I shot IPSC pistol I learned a couple things that hold true no matter the form of competition. First is that "you might shoot better with a better gun, but a better gun doesn't make you a better shooter." And second is that "no matter how good you are, someone is going to come along and beat you." ...... now that re-enforces some of what you have said, but let me remind you that the door swings both ways.

I understand that you throw down the gaunlet to get people to try your game, but to belittle thier game shows nothing.

Just my thoughts. I'm not a benchrest shooter, or a BDT shooter. I try lots of different games. I've shot DCM highpower, Bullseye pistol in both smallbore and centerfire. Even shot some competitions with an M60 when I was on active duty. Most of my competitive experience is in IPSC pistol, used to drive people crazy when I set up a field course and made them run and shoot long shots. The standards courses would make me smile, generally did quite well with them. I'm going to say that when it comes to shooting I'm a jack of all disciplines and master of none.

Dave Z.

 

Team Top Gun,
I think the thing that has bothered a lot of people here is the way you came in here with the attitude that your's was the only game in town. Well, the majority of us shoot for the fun of it and not for prizes or recognition.
I personally find shooting a great stress reliever and don't need to be shooting for a $500 prize to add to the stress.
You have insinuated a lot insulting things and made snide remarks about what we have invested in our rifles. Well Sir, We are a great group here and we've learned that manners have had a lot to the way we get along on RFC. I respect what you are trying to do but not the way you're going about it. Sincerely, RedTip17

 

Team Top Gun,

You have insinuated a lot insulting things and made snide remarks about what we have invested in our rifles. Well Sir, We are a great group here and we've learned that manners have had a lot to the way we get along on RFC. I respect what you are trying to do but not the way you're going about it. Sincerely, RedTip17

:t

Respect doesn't just come to the person that brags the most....

It is earned by peers.

Quid pro quo.

 

Ahh shucks I'll just go eat crow

Ahh you guys got me all wrong here I know your a great bunch of guys and I am to. I thought everybody knew it was all part of an act. If you guys took it that serious I'm sorry, we do it every year. Thats why it's called Top Gun Challenge to get you all fired up. I'm sure you guys would make short work of all of us poor squirrel rifle shooters. In a way the challenge should honor you guys, if I didn't think you were good I wouldn't even bother.

I have to recall when Orsen Wells recited "War of the Worlds"
on the radio, some took him seriously and started jumping out the windows thinking the Martians were landing.

Most of the Marlin Talk folks have heard it many times. Its supposed to be an Old West Cowboy calling you out in the street, like John Wayne. Its an advertisement!!!!and an invitation.

You should have seen Coach Jody Skinner do it to Mad 57, he went balistic, quoting all the great bench shooters of Oklahoma, all the great sactioned matches he has won, of course we checked...nahhh. Then of course, there is the standard my gun is better than your gun or even better more expensive than yours...heard that one before. Then we get into the standard I'm sactioned and your not nah nah. This regresses to an iquirey about the matrimoniel status of the parents at the time of ones conception.

Just like Orsen Wells I guess I'm pretty convinsing.... Best coniption fit I ever caused. Well secound to the time I told my mother my little sister got eat up by the hawgs. In the unlikey event that you should decide to attend Top Gun Challenge 2004, I think you will find it well ...challenging.

I have a few of last years crows in the freezer. Being my wife is Korean she can cook some mighty fine crow.


umm umm

 

What looks like a snake, hisses like a snake & bites like a snake usually IS a snake. Only time will tell whether it's poisonous or not. RedTip17

 

Good News Red Tip

I saved a bunch of money on car insurance switching to Gieco.

 

Team Top GUn,

have heard your spouting off before over on Marlin Talk.
If anything, it put me off. Blowhards always do. For that matter, even people who can walk the walk of the incredible talk put me off. Spouting off like that even if you are good is low class in my opinion. Everyone has their way, but I prefer more useful info without pissing contests.

RFC is pretty good about having really useful info. Without all the prima donna game playing.

I figured out it was mostly an act, a stir it up attitude. But not everyone is so amused with such behaviour. I just don't care for it.

 

TTG,
I gather you've found that the folks here aren't easily impressed. Try backing off a little, maybe you'll dazzle somebody sometime.

JL

 

I did back off and made myself clear

Very well, from the moment I came here i felt uneasy, like comming in a room full of guys with axes to gride with my first post I caught flak, so i gave it back, then i was reffered to as a snake by a moderator how nice, all I did was coment on shooting skills, and invite all of you to a very good shooting match. Challenge if you will, but thats what it was. I saw that you werent ready for that, a little thin skined so I clearly backed off aplogised and caught some more flak, thats when I start selling insurance. Im a man with a great sence of humor so I think you guys are pretty funny. The karate guy is a real winner, never heard of me, good, I can retire in peace.
Now Don't take me serious on the Challenge its just an act, an advertisement.

What you really need to be asking is how the heck do you get those squirrel rifles to shoot so good? You might find the answer to your liking.

Now if we cant get along and end it here please just turn me off.

 

OK, Guys, sensible response hasn't seemed to do any good. Let's just ignore him & maybe he'll go try to peddle his snake oil on some other forum.

 

Head butting accomplishes little, except causing head pain. This situation is similiar to the political one, a little personality grating going overboard. Anyone of us not interested in the others posts may ignore them at our discretion and post in, on and about things we like. Mr. Simeone will have his friends, and others will have theirs, and I see no need for any sniping between factions here. We can interact with who we want when we want, no one is being horsewhipped into reading anyone elses posts. I hope a flame war doesn't erupt over this, it's not going to help anybody. Misunderstandings from text on the internet with no real human emotional interreaction are inevitable, but why keep pounding a sore finger? Let it heal up a little bit guys! No one is taking over RFC or attempting to pull a coup or anything similiar, so why all the fuss over a few silly words???? Are the anti gunners going to be allowed to split us up over a little shooting contest?

 

Thanks Phil

A voice of reason in the wilderness.

 

"Snake Oil?"

BIG FROG in a SMALL POND!

Lotsa noise, and about as much TACT as a brick through a plate glass window!

Adios Fella, watch the swinging door on the way out!