Most dedicated AR 22 conversion uppers will not compete with a good bolt action rifle. I have a couple of Rick Kuehl uppers and they are accurate for what they are. They will easily outshoot a stock Ruger 10/22, but I doubt that they will outshoot a CZ 452 or 453. I have seen some 22 lr target dedicated uppers, but I don't have any experience with them. There is no reason that one can't be built that is just as good as a high dollar, modified, 10/22. It just costs money.

 

drop on ready to try try Compass lake. Warning sticker shock in progress.

i'm building one right now but waiting for parts. should be a dam fine shooter when it's done.

 

Built a Compass Lake 18" SPR barrel (Douglas blank) into a MK 12 Mod 0 clone.

Possibly the most accurate rifle I own, definitely the most expensive .22 I own.
With SK Match I've shot a number of nearly one hole groups (50yd).
Unfortunately, I lack funds for good ammo for the forseeable future.

I'll look forward to your assessment of Frank White's lathe skills.

Here's the brag thread:http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=328500

 

The SMOS I've been shooting for the past couple of months has come close on a couple occassions. (50 yds prone with sling.)

 

All the information is very much appreciated. That target especially tells me a lot. I'm considering getting into CMP Sporter (Tactical) shooting, but I haven't had the opportunity to watch a match shot yet. So, I only have the bench rest guns I've seen for comparison, such as the CZs. From most of the reports I've read, the S&W, Colt, and Ruger AR-like tacticals are not really "target" rifles, so I was thinking a dedicated upper on an AR platform would be the best??

A rifle that can consistently shoot 10s is what I'm after, and that target tells me its possible. I know it will take months, even years, to learn to shoot the sport. I just don't want to end up asking myself "is it me or the rifle" a couple months from now

 

It's my understanding that the SMOS barrels start off as Green Mountain blanks and are finished by Stubborn Mule. I do have to admit, though, that my zero off a bench is slightly different than my zero in prone/sitting. Continued testing seems to point that it is me and not the gun. (Possibly my line of sight through the scope or the definite difference in distance to the ocular lens between the two positions. My solution is to not shoot off of the bench.)

I'll film the next CMP RS match (next one is reduced range but next week's match is at full range) and post it to show the course of fire and the commands being given.

 

I have two dedicated .22 AR uppers. They shoot well. At least equal to or maybe even a bit better than a Ruger 10/22. They are NOT target rifles. Truth is, if you want a rifle to shoot really well you should probably stick with a bolt gun.

I really don't think its fair to compare a .22 AR with a CZ. It would be like doing rapid fire...the AR would beat the pants off the bolt gun. Two different guns, two different purposes.

You can get a dedicated .22 AR upper that will shoot very well. You will pay for it too.

 

I have two dedicated .22 AR uppers. They shoot well. At least equal to or maybe even a bit better than a Ruger 10/22. They are NOT target rifles. Truth is, if you want a rifle to shoot really well you should probably stick with a bolt gun.

I really don't think its fair to compare a .22 AR with a CZ. It would be like doing rapid fire...the AR would beat the pants off the bolt gun. Two different guns, two different purposes.

You can get a dedicated .22 AR upper that will shoot very well. You will pay for it too.

A point well made. AR22's are not made for benchrest competition. A CLE .22 upper will easily clean any regulation NRA 50yd/100yd target, if the shooter can. They were made for practicing HP position shooting and they do it very well.
If you want to compete against bolt guns you would be better equipped by buying a bolt gun.

MY CLE was worth every penny.

 

Does anyone around here have experience with the $299 Chiappa dedicated upper?

(sample link)

 

22 LR Upper

I have two decicated .22 LR Uppers.

1) Spikes ST-22 Specter on a RRA lower with a RRA 2-stage match trigger.

2) Ballistic Advantage LLC .22 LR A2 service rifle upper with an upgrade to a Douglas XX Barrel & Compass Lake NM Sights on a RRA Lower with a RRA 2 stage match trigger.

The BA Service rifle will shoot in a dime @ 50 yards with all most ANY ammo, much better with MATCH GRADE AMMO.

Yes, it was expensive, but worth EVERY PENNY.....

 

Its my understanding that CMP Sporter shoots would be classified as target shooting, and many people use CZ and other bolt action rifles to compete. From reviewing past competition scoresheets I see lots of semi-automatic rifles winning, so there must be some equalizer if the bolt actions are so much more accurate.

The new category for tactical rifles would not allow CZ's (right?), however, I'm sure the competitors will be just as serious about it, and want rifles capable of preforming at that level.

Maybe, since I've never been to one, I'm missing something?

Since I'm trying a new sport, and can't sink a ton of money into it, I'm trying to make sure my investment is as good as it can be the first time. If a Smith and Wesson M&P 15-22 is a good point to start, I'm all for only having to put down about $400 to get started. But, my research seems to indicate that the dedicated AR uppers would be so much better that I would be putting myself at a severe disadvantage.

Sorry for the dissertation

Its difficult to build up the basic set of working knowledge for a new sport that doesn't exist in your immediate area, so any help is greatly appreciated.

 

Jon,

There are plenty of bolt guns that out perform semis at the CMP RS shoots. In the rapid fire stages of the game, the alotted time is more than enough to complete with a manually operated gun, provided you have some practice with it before hand. I regularly finish with 7-8 seconds left and I take my time aiming. IMO, a semi will give you a mental advantage in the game, but in practice, the results don't show any plusses. Check out the scores for the O-class results and note the number of bolt guns at the upper end of the list as compared to semis. SgtMaj Slee's result in T-Class at last years Perry shoot is a bit of a flyer, IMO, considering he shoots for the Army Reserve Shooting Team, IIRC, and the rest of the folks are regular civilian (presumably non-pro). Young Lucas certainly provided a good showing for the manuals.

In my research for finding the right platform for the new class when it was anounced, I had boiled it down to 3 options. Get a military patterned .22 that everyone seems to be coming out with, built up a 10/22, or get a .22 upper for an AR. In my search, I tried all three.

A 10/22 certainly can be built up to perform as well as a bolt gun in this game in terms of downrange precision. One of the attempts I made to configure a gun for Tactical included a modded 10/22 I had used as a bench gun and tried to find a stock that would fit the class. The barreled action shot fine and should have gotten me good scores, however, I could not find a stock that would work well in position.

Another attempt (my first one actually) was to try out a SIG 522 SWAT. A nice gun and off of the bench grouped well enough. In position, though, the barrel not being free floated, the POI was severely affected. Plus, found out in the end it was overweight (I did not have a scale early on). I had the chance to handle the SW last weekend. I'm not sure of its sturdiness with the plastic lower and plastic upper as I like to put a LOT of sling tension on the gun. The gun will handily meet weight though and I hope to see some at the local matches soon to see how well they do.

Finally ended up with the upper AR option which seems to be performing well enough. Just need more trigger time with it to get more confortable.

[I am still thinking about that 10/22 though. It shoots too well to just leave it alone. I'll have to built/modify my own stock to get it the way I want it.]

 

If the barrel is a very good quality unit, the accuracy you can obtain from an AR-15 upper can surprise you. Here is a 50-shot group with aperture sights using Winchester T-22 Ammo.

I might be able to improve it, if the winds were more agreeable.

 

AzizaVFR, is that that Anschutz/Sportsmans Guide barrel?

 

Yes, it is. Not bad for $3/box ammo.

Here is the rifle in its current configuration.

 

The sights you use, especially the front....never seen anything like it...can you give details?

 

Pretty standard HP sights.

 

http://www.champchoice.com/cat-Rightsight-703.aspx

 

The front sight is the discontinued 22mm model from Sinclair. It has a huge range of adjustment. The RightSight was mentioned from Champion's Choice. That is another really good front sight, yet a little more expensive. If you want something which looks more like mine, check out Phoenix Precisions front sight.

Here is the Sinclair:

Phoenix Precision Front sights