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December NRA Light Rifle & NRA Smallbore Position Match (Post your Scores and Photos)

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#1 · (Edited)
December NRA Light Rifle & NRA Smallbore Position Match (Post your Scores and Photos)

New Match! We've got a few changes...

Here's a quick digest of the updates:

  1. Changed from 2 to 1 shot per bull on A-17 & A-32 Modified target
  2. Changed position order to (Prone, Standing, Sitting, Kneeling - shot in that order) - same as in NRA sanctioned matches. Please post your scores in the same order for ease of data entry:)
  3. Added 5 min change-over time (break) before each position
  4. Added clarification of Smallbore off-hand only and prone only skill level ladder
  5. Added A-32-Modified target (modified to preserve same aspect ratio with A-31, as there is between A-17 and A-23), 50 feet, one shot per bulls-eye. You can use either A-32 or A-32-Modified in December, but if you could please try to use this new target and comment on it. Your points will drop, but you'll be able to better compare yourself to the skill ladder and folks shooting A-31 at 50yds. See link to printable pdf in the rules.
  6. Added learning links
  7. Updated target links
  8. Moved the "Rattle Board" above the Rules

Another suggestion: Let's get some photos of your rifles and rigs too! Target photos are great, but let's see some wood and steel!

Big Thanks to CZ452UltraLuz for being our "Rules Guru" :bthumb:
 
#3 · (Edited)
The Rules

MATCH RULES

This rules summary is based on NRA Smallbore Rule Book with slight modifications to attract as many people as possible.
The two classes will keep things fair, utilize the NRA Ladder (so you can track your progress from Marksman to Expert level),
and allow for 50ft, 75ft/25yd and 50yd ranges to compete together in same group.

We will have two match classes:

  1. 4P NRA Conventional Smallbore (for those with advanced equipment), using A-17, A-7 or A-23 target at 50ft, 75ft/25yd, or 50yd.
  2. 4P NRA Light Rifle (for those with regular sporting rifles), using A-32 / A-32-Modified or A-31 target at 50ft or 50yd.

Key modifications to NRA 4P rules:

  • Any rim-fire caliber.
  • Open, peep and telescopic sights will shoot separately.
  • Positions are:
    4P (Prone, Standing, Sitting, Kneeling - shot in that order
    )

    Note: if you cannot shoot from all four positions (either range rules, physical limitation, or any other alibi) you may shoot any combination of the following:
    Standing AND/OR Prone AND/OR Unsupported Bench (elbows on bench and sling only- instead of prone)

    These alternate positions are scored and recorded separately and are NOT a combined 2P class.

Guys & gals, don't worry about the "humbling" experience after shooting this course the first few times.
We've all been there. I promise you steady improvement if you stick to it.


As long as this online match gives you a reason to go out there, practice position shooting and move you up the skills ladder I think we have succeeded. Monthly match results are just to make it fun. Don't forget, sanctioned NRA matches are scored at each skill level separately.

Learning Links:
I strongly recommend attending a local Appleseed (http://appleseedinfo.org/) to improve your position shooting skills.

See these CMP pdf-s for correct body positions:

And these videos from 1989 Highpower Position Clinic:

Books to consider:

  • "Leather Sling and Shooting Positions" by Jim Owens
  • "Competitive Shooting" by A.A. Yur'Yev
  • "Ways of the Rifle" by Gaby Buhlmann
  • "Rifle Steps to Success" or "Rifle: Steps to Success" by Launi Meili
  • "Olympic Target Rifle Shooting" by Ralf Horneber
  • "Shooting for Gold" by William Krilling
  • "Rifle Shooting as a Sport" by Bernd Klingner

We will use NRA Smallbore Rifle Rules with the following slight modifications marked in BOLD RED.

1) 4P NRA Conventional Smallbore (Rules: http://www.nrahq.org/compete/RuleBooks/SBR/sbr-index.pdf)

Rifle
Safe any caliber rimfire rifle (.17 cal. use NRA .22 cal scoring gauge to make it fair), with no weight restrictions. Adjustable butt plate , palm rests, Schuetzen type butt plates, etc. can be used (see NRA Smallbore Rules).

Other Equipment and Accessories

- Clothing, padding, shooting jackets, slings, etc. allowed (see NRA Smallbore Rules).
- Use a shooting mat, a thick painters mat from Home Depot, couple of yoga/camping foam mats, or an old piece of carpet will do. I also recommend knee/elbow pads (Home Depot) and a bunch of rolled up towels to make a Kneeling Roll for comfort and thus better scores.

Sights
"O-Class" - open iron sighted rifles,
"C-Class" - closed non-magnified iron sighted rifles (aperture or peep sights), non-magnified red dot,
"T-Class" - telescopic, magnified aperture and magnified red dot.

Target and Distance Options
A-17 target, 50 feet, one shots per bulls-eye.
A-7 target, 75 feet / 25 yards, max. two shots per bulls-eye.
A-23 target, 50 yards, five shots per bulls-eye.
Many indoor ranges require you to use their targets ($), so just tape yours on top of theirs. :)

2) 4P NRA Light Rifle (Sitting position added to regular rules) (Rules Section 22: http://www.nrahq.org/compete/RuleBooks/SBR/sbr-index.pdf)

Rifle

Safe any caliber rimfire rifle (.17 cal. use NRA .22 cal scoring gauge to make it fair), having a trigger pull of not less than 2 pounds, and weighing 8½ pounds or less (including sights & sling). Adjustable butt plate permitted if placed in center position. No palm rests, Schuetzen type butt plates, etc. (see NRA Light Rifle Rules).

Other Equipment and Accessories

- Clothing, padding, etc. (see NRA Light Rifle Rules).
- Non-shooting leather work glove may be used to protect forehand from sling swivel.
- A basic military sling or carry sling not to exceed 1 ÂĽ" width may be used in all but standing position (get one here http://www.appleseedstore.flyingcart.com/?p=detail&pid=10&cat_id=0).
- Use a shooting mat, a thick painters mat from Home Depot, couple of yoga/camping foam mats, or an old piece of carpet will do. I also recommend knee/elbow pads (Home Depot) and a bunch of rolled up towels to make a Kneeling Roll for comfort and thus better scores.

Sights
"O-Class" - open iron sighted rifles,
"C-Class" - closed non-magnified iron sighted rifles (aperture or peep sights), non-magnified red dot,
"T-Class" - telescopic, magnified aperture and magnified red dot (maximum 6X).

Target and Distance Options
A-32 target, 50 feet, two shots per bulls-eye.
A-32-Modified target, 50 feet, two shots per bulls-eye (modified to preserve same aspect ratio with A-31, as there is between A-17 and A-23).
A-31 target, 50 yards, five shots per bulls-eye.
Many indoor ranges require you to use their targets ($), so just tape yours on top of theirs. :)


Rest of this post applies to both 4P NRA Conventional Smallbore and 4P NRA Light Rifle classes.


Order good quality targets here: http://www.pistoleer.com/targets/rifle/
or Download printable target pdf-s
(PM CZ452UltraLux with issues):
(Make sure you have PAGE SCALING set to NONE in Acrobat Print Menu to print correct size).

A-17 (50ft - 8.5 MOA black) (be careful which bull you are shooting or cross shooting :) as they are close together)- http://www.box.net/shared/2edlrdfnmh
A-7 (75ft/25yd) - http://www.box.net/shared/4atdqu8av0
A-23 (50yd - 7.4 MOA black) - http://www.box.net/shared/m6rf4535ci - OR 2 Bulls on Legal Paper http://www.box.net/shared/9e8mngxnua
A-32 (50ft - 10.7 MOA black) - http://www.box.net/shared/qimhuhza2b
A-32-Modified (50ft - 7.8 MOA black) - http://www.box.net/shared/1azpbyvr7f
A-31 (50yd - 8.8 MOA black) - http://www.box.net/shared/2rjit37svf - OR 2 Bulls on Legal Paper http://www.box.net/shared/an3qjul4yi

Course of Fire
Distance: 50 Feet, 75ft/25yd (for Conventional Smallbore) or 50 Yards (all compete together due to target re-sizing)

Positions: Prone, Standing (no sling), Sitting (added to Light Rifle class), Kneeling - shot in that order.
OR for those that can't do all 4 positions (scored separately - NOT a combined 2P class)
- Standing (no sling)
- Unsupported Bench (sitting with elbows on the bench without any support other then sling) - instead of prone.
Time: 15 minutes per position (10 shoots - average 90 sec. per shot), with 5 minute change-over (break) and 5 minute "prep time" before each position with "unlimited sighting shots", for a total of 100 minutes to complete all 4 positions.

Those shooting standing and unsupported bench have 40 minutes total time to complete (15 min each position, with two 5 minute change-overs (breaks) and two "prep times" of 5 min. each).

No. of Shots in each position: 10 (Max. 1 shot per bull on A-17 and A32-Modified, Max. 2 shots per bull on A-7, A-32, and Max. 5 shots per bull on A-23, A-31)

Max. Points: 400-40x
100-10x each (for those shooting standing and unsupported bench only)

Many indoor ranges don't allow prone shooting due to lack of space, but if you ask to be placed at the end of the firing line I think they can make an exception.

SCORING and POSTING
I'm sure we all agree that an online postal match has to be based on an honor system, so just a reminder to use consecutive shoots/targets. :)

Use official NRA .22 cal inward scoring gauge in deciding doubtful shots (touching ring (not cracked) = inside ring score).
Shooters using .17 cal. use NRA .22 cal scoring gauge to make it fair.

Get a $6 plain gauge or $10 magnified here (I recommend magnified): http://www.champchoice.com/cat-Scoring_Gauges-335.aspx

For scoring Xs on 50ft/75ft A-17/A-32/A-7 targets please see NRA Smallbore Rule Book - Section 14: Scoring.

We'll score 2 classes, Conventional Smallbore and Light Rifle.
Each class will have a 4P category, plus Standing and Unsupported Bench/Prone categories separately, NOT a combined 2P category.
Those shooting 4P can have their standing and prone scores applied in the Standing and Unsupported Bench/Prone categories as well.

Post:
- 4P total and number of Xs, and each position total score plus number of Xs (or just your Standing and Unsupported Bench/Prone score with Xs) followed by your RFC name and state.
- Competition class (NRA Smallbore or NRA Light Rifle), Sight category (O, C, T class), and NRA Ladder Rating (don't forget to count just standing, kneeling and prone in Light Rifle class).
- Equipment used with details.
- Range distance and weather conditions.
- Pictures of the target if you can.
How?
Use http://imageshack.us/, browse for picture of your target, click upload, copy (Ctrl-C) the link next to words "Direct Link", in your RFC post use "Insert Image" icon (the yellow icon with the mountains) and paste the link you just copied. Image of your target should show up in your post.

E.g.
338-10X (80-1X, 83-2X, 85-3X, 90-4X) - BigGuns, FL
NRA Light Rifle, C-Class, Sharpshooter (missed Expert by 2pts 253 vs 255 - don't forget to count just standing, kneeling and prone in Light Rifle class).
Kimber 82G, Wolf Match Target ammo, Kimber Iron Open Sights, 2+ pound trigger
Receiver glass bedded, Trigger modified per instructions on RFC
50 yd, Sunny, 86 Degrees, Wind 5mph at 3 o'clock gusting to 10mph
Pictures

NRA Skill Ladders (to track your progress from Marksman to Expert level).

3P NRA Light Rifle Ladder
Combine your standing, kneeling and prone scores to compare against 3P Light Rifle Ladder.

Image


4P NRA Smallbore Ladder

"Offhand Only" and "Prone Only" ratings in Smallbore class are to be calculated as follows (% of 100 possible points for each position):

Pro-Marksman: 50% prone/bench, 40% standing;
Marksman: 63% prone/bench, 50% standing;
Marksman 1st Class: 75% prone/bench, 60% standing;
Sharpshooter: 83% prone/bench, 70% standing;
Expert: 90% prone/bench, 80% standing;
Distinguished Expert: 96% prone/bench, 91% standing;

Image

 
#6 ·
According to my (imprecise) ruler measurements, the scoring rings present on the A-32 Rimfire (with NRA seal) are:

6 - 3.31
7 - 2.54
8 - 1.85 (black)
9 - 1.05
10 - 0.4
X - 0.2 (white)

Seems consistent with the table you posted earlier.

odd how much different it is, unless the 50ft target was never meant to be score comparably to the 50yd version? Always a separate competition? *shrug*

Singe I've got the buggers might as well shoot them. I'll assuage my guilt for shooting the easy targets by using bulk ammo. :AR15firin
 
#9 ·
According to my (imprecise) ruler measurements, the scoring rings present on the A-32 Rimfire (with NRA seal) are:

6 - 3.31
7 - 2.54
8 - 1.85 (black)
9 - 1.05
10 - 0.4
X - 0.2 (white)

Seems consistent with the table you posted earlier.

odd how much different it is, unless the 50ft target was never meant to be score comparably to the 50yd version? Always a separate competition? *shrug*

Singe I've got the buggers might as well shoot them. I'll assuage my guilt for shooting the easy targets by using bulk ammo. :AR15firin
Thanks SilentPea .... now I'm puzzled ... no error in the A-32 ring sizes ... I guess I have to write congress (NRA :)) to settle my curiosity as to why they chose A-32 size to be so much bigger then A-31 (MOA wise).

Now I see you experienced the point gain by shooting A-32 vs. A-31 before. Keep using the A-32s you ordered, or print A-32-Modified on the reverse to use the nice tear-free paper.

Anyone having access to 50ft and 50yd range in the near future (with similar temperature - inside/outside), try shooting A-31, A-32-Modified, and A-32 in that order. See what you get and share what you find. I suspect you'll be within 10 pts on A-31 vs. A-32-Modified, and 50+pts more on A-32. All of the targets are available in pdf in the rules section. Thanks.
 
#7 · (Edited)
335-2X (90-1X, 77-0X, 85-0X, 83-1X) - SilentPea, CA
NRA Light Rifle, C-Class, Sharpshooter
Ruger 10/22, CCI Blazer, William FP (rear) Lyman 20MJT (front)
stock trigger, bike inner tube bedding pad
50ft, overcast, ~52 degrees, Wind 0-10mph from directly behind (6 o'clock position)
Prone:
Standing:
Sitting:
Kneeling:

I messed up and posted(and shot) some of the targets upside down... don't think it made a difference score-wise though.
Also -- I seem to have gained 100ish points and some Xs by swapping targets. I did change some torque settings and fiddle with a pressure pad, so I'm hoping not ALL of those extra points are from the "Easy" targets. I'll have to shoot a side by side sometime to see how much difference is the target.
 
#21 ·
Nice work!

335-2X (90-1X, 77-0X, 85-0X, 83-1X) - SilentPea, CA
NRA Light Rifle, C-Class, Sharpshooter
Ruger 10/22, CCI Blazer, William FP (rear) Lyman 20MJT (front)
stock trigger, bike inner tube bedding pad
50ft, overcast, ~52 degrees, Wind 0-10mph from directly behind (6 o'clock position)
Oh for only 3 more points!!!!
 
#8 ·
23's Dad
I have a Anschutz Match 64 with Iron Sights that I would like to shoot in the Light Rifle Class. NRA states: 3.3 Light Rifle - Any .22 caliber rimfire (.22 Short, .22 Long, or .22 Long Rifle) with not less than a 2 pound trigger pull and which weighs not more than 8 ½ pounds when equipped with sights. The rifle is under 8 1/2 Lbs. with sights and cloth sling. Is it possible to shoot this rifle in this class? Are hand stops permitted if they are a part of the sling attachment? Are rifles that are modified permitted to fit a class like my Remington 541T with a Hart barrel that I use for IR50/50 and weighs under 6lbs?
Trying to find a rifle to join you with but most of my rilfe's are setup for the 50 Yard Iron Sight Matches and would not like to change them.
Thank you for your answers and help in advance.
Metaleer
 
#17 ·
Welcome!



Metaleer,
With respect to your handstop question:
The introductory text of the rule book for Section 22 Light Rifle states
"In all cases where specific rules are not given here, the appropriate rules for smallbore rifle competition shall be used"

Since there is no other mention of the handstop in Section 22, I think we can conclude that your rifle is legal to shoot using the handstop.

Regarding your rebarreled 541T, the rules are similarly silent...

As you recall from our initial discussions about this match, we are looking to offer this to as many people as possible. Since this is really a competition against yourself, the rules for our match can be pretty flexible. I don't think anyone will have a real beef with your rifle choices.
 
#10 ·
Thanks for asking Metaleer and welcome. Let me try to answer these.

I think you can use either of your rifles in the Light Rifle Class as they are under 8.5lb.
Just double check your tigers to make sure they are 2lb or higher.

Regarding adjustable cheek and butt plates and hand stops here is my interpretation of the NRA rules with respect to Light Rifle class. If you have them, don't use them and you are compliant with the Light Rifle rules.
Meaning, set the butt plate in the center position, set the cheek plate in the center position, and don't use the hand stop (as if all those things were not there).

I think other modifications are permitted as well (like your changed barrel), but if you feel your rifles are way better then what one would consider a Light Rifle (sometimes called Sporter), just shoot them in the Conventional Smallbore Class for fairness to yourself (skill ladder). As far as "Match" in the middle name of your rifle, I don't think that matters. I think it pertains to tolerances used when they assembled it. NRA rules are more concerned with position adjustments/modifications.

I'd say try it in Light Rifle, and if you blow the scores out of the water shoot in in Conventional Smallbore next time. I hear those A-17 targets are addictive :bthumb:
 
#11 ·
CZ452UltraLux
Thank you for your reply. I used to shoot in NRA competition and achieved my Distinguished Expert at the age of 18. I have not shot much position shooting over the years and had changed to Archery competition instead. Now due to an accident I am back to shooting rimfires. My friends at the club have assured me that they will keep the engine hoist available if I can not get back up from any of the positions. At 60+ I have found that getting down is easier then getting up. :eek: My eyes are still pretty good so I will be shooting Iron Sights. If my scores indicate that I should move up in class I will do it right away.
Metaleer
 
#12 ·
Yes, it would be great to be able to repeat the feats from youth :rolleyes:
It'll be great to have you here, our resident Distinguished Expert :bthumb:. I hope you can give some advice to some of us.

I can guess you are very familiar with the NRA rules, but please take a look at my summary above and ask any additional questions/clarifications you may have. Chances are others have the same question on their mind.

Happy shooting, and don't forget to stretch before you go prone so they don't have to use that hoist :)
 
#13 · (Edited)
So in November (our first full month of this online match) we have had 13 participants, over 100 posts, and over 2000 distinct viewers (that's a bigger spectator crowd then at Camp Perry I assume :D).

I hope more of those 2000 will join us shooting soon. :snipersmi
Remember, Standing and Unsupported Bench is good enough to join us. No need to do all 4P if you can't.

Happy Holidays everyone. Going to put up a Christmas Tree now.
 
#14 ·
Just printed off 8 copies of the Modified A-32. Are we going to do 1 shot/bull for the modified target (like the A-17) or is 2 shot/bull still okay?

I'm pretty happy b/c I can print 10 A-32(mod) bulls on a page that only had 6 A-32(std) before. :)

Hopefully I'll be able to run the A31/32/32-m course on thursday. My outdoor range has target stands at both distances. If I can't make it out I don't think I'll be able to shoot 4P until January. (Unless someone knows if there's a range in Sacramento area that will allow position shooting?)
 
#16 · (Edited)
THat's a good point SilentPea. Now that A-32-Mod. is closer to A-17 then to the original A-32 I think we should shoot 1 shot per bull on A-32-Mod. We'll make change in the rules.

Metaleer, thanks for the suggestion. We'll add that book to the "Learning" section in the rules.
If you haven't read it yet try Competitive Shooting by Yur' Yev. The book describes shooting positions from a scientific/biological angle and has a section on training routines which you may find useful with your team. It's too detailed for most, but good for NRA Regional or higher shooter. It's been out of print for a while and it sells used for $100-120 on Amazon and e-bay. I found this link last week that sells it for $40, I hope they still have it. http://www.ontheshelfbooks.com/book_detail.cfm?RecordID=1202
 
#15 ·
CZ452UltraLux
I checked out the targets and will shoot the A17 as I use that for practice now. Will post scores by the end of next weekend. I will also be shooting a Remington 37 in the other class.

Another book that many might find very helpful is "Rifle Shooting as a Sport" by Bernd Klingner. It walks you through the different positions in great pictorial detail. I have found it very helpful in teaching the youth in our club. :bthumb:
Metaleer
 
#18 ·
My "outing" yesterday

Or should I call it an "in-ing", being that I was at an indoor range?;)

297 (90, 66, 54, 87) - 23's Dad, CA
Smallbore, C-Class, Marksman 1st Class
Remingon 40X (standard barrel), Federal Bulk ammo, Redfield Olympic Sights Front/Back, Factory Trigger
50-ft Indoors

305 (93, 48, 82, 82) - 23's Dad, CA
Smallbore, C-Class, Marksman 1st Class
Remingon 37, Federal Bulk ammo, Remingtion Factory M37 rear sight, Tigersight front, Factory Trigger
50-ft Indoors

A little commentary:
This was my first time out with the 40X. I was hoping that the adjustable rear aperture that I ordered from CSS would arrive by this weekend, but sadly no. It should be here Monday. I really liked how the rifle felt in the shoulder, and the lighter front end made the offhand string easier. When I finished with the 40X and grabbed the Model 37, I was blow away by the quality of the sight picture. The adjustable aperture on the M37 sight, and the Tigersight front was amazing! For the prone string, it felt like I had a diopter on the rifle. It was just so much clearer! I then tried to shoot offhand, while my right glut muscle tried to spasm. OUCH! I also forgot to slide my rear sight back from the prone setting. I was having some trouble with the front sight and getting a little double vision. I think it was because I hadn't moved the rear sight close enough to my eye. I was taking my standard cheek weld, and then fighting for a good sight picture. At the time I thought it was fatigue, but I've usually got better stamina than that. Anyway, when I went to case my rifle, I realized that I had left the sight in the forward postion. However based on the improvement I saw in my kneeling score, maybe I should be moving the sight forward for that position! Note that the difference in kneeling on the two rifles was 28 points! The 40X kneeling was shot with the sight at the rear stop, and the M37 was shot with the sight advanced 3 slots on the mount. The prone and sitting scores didn't show as much difference, but the Model 37 sights have a clear element and it is a ton easier to see through.
 
#19 ·
23's Dad
I also shoot a Tigersight on my Anschutz 1411 as the clear lens and large diameter allow me to see my wind flags through my sights without having to move my head. Shot them indoor last year but went back to Olympic Front with Lee Shaver inserts for indoors on my 64 because of glare off of the clear lens.

I am really happy that you have gotten this match started. I believe it fills a void especially in winter. Thank you! :D
Metaleer
 
#22 ·
12/6/10

Indian River County Range, Sebastian, Florida. Winds 10-15 mph.
CZ Lux with factory open sights.
Wolf Match Extra
Standing, 5 shots each bull on A-31 target @ 50 yards
45/42/42/37=166/200
 
#23 · (Edited)
Indian River County Range, Sebastian, Florida. Winds 10-15 mph.
CZ Lux with factory open sights.
Wolf Match Extra
Standing, 5 shots each bull on A-31 target @ 50 yards
45/42/42/37=166/200
What happened David? You shot a beautiful 85 Standing last month.
Must have been the windy day.

At least you get good shooting weather all year long in FL.
It supposed to be Hi of 20F on Thursday in NY :shakehead

EDIT:
BTW David .. I saw your 50yd bench score from yesterday on another thread... 200-12x .... NICE :2ar15smil
 
#24 · (Edited)
Got out to shoot 3 sets today

A32:
326-3x (87-1x, 67-0x, 90-2x, 82-0x)
Sharpshooter

A32-modified:
287-2x (82-0x, 46-0x, 75-1x, 84-1x)
Marksman 1st

A31:
286-1x (82-0x, 37-0x, 85-0x, 82-1x)
Marksman 1st

All:
Ruger 10/22, CCI Blazer, William FP (rear) Lyman 20MJT (front)
stock trigger, bike inner tube bedding pad
Mostly clear skies, ~65 degrees, Gusts 5-20mph @ 12 o'clock

I didn't give as good showing on the A31 as I think it deserved, I was getting pretty tired at that point and kinda rushed/muscled/jerked a lot of the shots. Another interesting thing is that my sitting outscored my prone 2/3 times. I think it's because of the changed head position...? Being able to see the holes in paper at 50 feet was pretty awesome. I need to get a spotting scope or something for 50yd.

I estimated the X-rings on the A32-mod and A31 because they aren't printed on the targets I'm using.
 
#28 · (Edited)
Got out to shoot 3 sets today
A32:
326-3x (87-1x, 67-0x, 90-2x, 82-0x) Sharpshooter

A32-modified:
287-2x (82-0x, 46-0x, 75-1x, 84-1x) Marksman 1st

A31:
286-1x (82-0x, 37-0x, 85-0x, 82-1x) Marksman 1st
Thanks SilentPea ...your A-31 and A-32-Mod. scores look exactly as predicted though your standing and kneeling scores are "swapped".
Certainly submit the A-32 score for December record.
I know shooting 3 sets can get your eyes tired. Try just A-31 and A-32-Mod. next time to see if they come close again.

Can anyone else try A-31 vs A-32-Modified to confirm? Nimrod, I assume it's still too cold in Indiana for your try at the comparison.

Yes, Welcome Situation Normal. That is a good score for the first try, especially on A-17 (there is a link to a pdf A-32 target in the Rules post on page 1).
If you are shooting at a club have your buddies post here too. The more the merrier.
 
#25 · (Edited)
I am totally humbled. I joined a four position smallbore league this past week, and had the opportunity to sling fourty rounds down range in this discipline for the first time last night. I had a great time, but I've got a long way to go.

264-1X (73=0X, 64-0X, 76-0X, 51-1X) - Situation Normal, WA
NRA Light Rifle, C-Class, No classification yet as this is my first attempt.
CZ Ultra Lux with BRNO target sights, and a "?" lb trigger pull.
CCI SV
A-17, 50" indoors

Prone
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Sitting
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Kneeling
Image

Standing
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and my Ultra Lux
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#26 ·
Situation -- welcome to the fun! That is a darn respectable score for a first time shooter. Just a fun note, but you could choose to shoot the A-32 or A-32(modified) targets (at least for this competition).
You'll probably pick up a some more points and everyone knows that more points make you feel better :bthumb:
 
#27 ·
Welcome to our little game!

situation_normal,

Silent Pea is right, for our online match - your CZ qualifies as a "Light Rifle", and you don't have to shoot A17s.

If you are posting the targets from your league, you can use A17s for your postings here. It's no advantage to you, and we will totally accept them for our online match.

That A17 is a humbling little bugger!
 
#32 · (Edited)
Started setting up my rifles today for this shoot and shot a few targets. Have not found the sweet spot for the prone position and sling stop kept sliding. This is the first time in about 35 years that I seriously tried shooting for score. I will continue to shoot here as next year I want to shoot prone outdoors at the local NRA Tournaments. Forgot to bring my knee and elbow pads. Will do better next time out. Thank you for having these matches.

Prone 89-0X, Offhand 82-1X, A-17 Target, Metaleer, Maine
NRA Rifle, C - Class
Remington 37, Federal Automatch ammo, Redfield Olympic Iron Sights, Merrit Iris, Shaver Inserts, 2+ pound Canjar trigger
Receiver glass bedded, Pillars Installed, Freeland Thumbhole stock, Stock Buttplate set to center position, Leather Sling in prone, No glove
Shot indoors at the Lincoln County Range, scored by Range Captain.

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#34 ·
CZ452UltraLux
Would like to try, but not sure yet. I have bad knees and have been getting shots in them for about 3 years. Not sure how they are going to react to sitting and kneeling. Know I can do better with practice on the prone and offhand. I figure that I need to average 95 Prone and 88 Offhand to be competitive. One step at a time.

I run the 50 yard Iron Sight Matches on RFC and was just given a rifle by a friend to compete in IR 50/50 matches this summer.

Last year we held a NRA 50 yard Prone Match for the 75th year in a row at our club and I really want to shoot it this coming year. This match will force me to practice and work on finding what I call my sweet spots. I am over 60 years of age and just love competing against myself. We have a lot of great shooters at the club that like those members here at RFC we help each other. This site has helped me a lot and I have met many great individuals that I now call my friends.
Metaleer
 
#35 · (Edited)
1st December Shoot w/ A32-modified

317-0X (92-0X, 72-0X, 81-0X, 72-0X) - Nimrodf, IN (Prone, Offhand, Sitting, Kneeling Correct?)
NRA Light Rifle, C-Class,
CZ452 Trainer, CCI SS HP, Brno Match Apertures , 3.75+ lb factory trigger
50ft on A-32 Modified, Inside, Concordia Lutheran HS

I'm not going to post targets since they all look the same:D

Suggestion: CZ/23's Dad, we ought to put a dot in the middle of the 10 ring to score X's. Right now I don't quite know what an X is other than one that is dead center in the 10 ring.

Nimrod... to bed :wave:
 
#36 · (Edited)
Hi Dr. Nimrod ... you have the new position order correct.
I see you shot 50ft A-32-Modified and your score is in the same range as your 50yd A-31 scores from November.
Did you find the bull of A-32-Mod. well visible at 50ft indoors?
Do you find it a "fair" target that's more consistent with the Light Rifle NRA skill ladder and the A-31 target?

Anyone else to try A-32-Modified before Dec. 31? :snipersmi

Re. Xs on A-32-Modified, it would be hard to fit anything in the tiny 10 ring on that target. :rolleyes:
I suggest we use the same methodology NRA Rules use on A-17,
namely count it an X if you are touching INSIDE EDGE of the 9 ring or better (of course you are on the inside of 9 ring :D).

There is no Xs on A-17, but here's what the NRA Rule Book says about tie-breaks on A-17 (which we can record as "pseudo-Xs" for our scoreboard purposes:
"Center shots - Those shot holes fired on targets without X-ring .... are used to break ties and rank scores. Center shots are determined as follows:
- Indoor Conventional 50 ft. (A-17 target) - Any shot hole touching the ten ring but not touching the outside edge of the nine ring with the aid of a .22 caliber plug type scoring gauge."
 
#40 ·
Hi Dr. Nimrod ... you have the new position order correct.
I suggest we use the same methodology NRA Rules use on A-17,
namely count it an X if you are touching INSIDE EDGE of the 9 ring or better (of course you are on the inside of 9 ring :D).

There is no Xs on A-17, but here's what the NRA Rule Book says about tie-breaks on A-17 (which we can record as "pseudo-Xs" for our scoreboard purposes:
"Center shots - Those shot holes fired on targets without X-ring .... are used to break ties and rank scores. Center shots are determined as follows:
- Indoor Conventional 50 ft. (A-17 target) - Any shot hole touching the ten ring but not touching the outside edge of the nine ring with the aid of a .22 caliber plug type scoring gauge."
We have always scored it that if the plug gauge didn't touch the 9 ring at all then it was a X. In doing this target 9 and 7 of 23's Dad would be X's. What I personally call an X is when the gauge completely covers the 10 ring. It makes getting an X harder but also is easier to score.
Metaleer
 
#37 · (Edited)
No X ring "Xs"

So for the purposes of our discussion of scoring an X on the targets without X-rings, I submit the following examples:

Tens but no X:
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These would be scored as X:
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Is this how you interpret the rule that CZ452UltraLux posted too?
 
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