Do a bit of looking about on this forum as there was a thread within the past week exactly about this subject!

 

Here's one recent thread where this was discussed:

https://www.rimfirecentral.com/threads/match-chamber.1313237/#replies

Ultimately, I suggest buying both. Then you can determine which of your samples is the most accurate.

 

Thanks for that I'm the new guy on the block and still learning how to navigate around the site and honestly doing fair at best. I'm on another boating / fishing forum and they have a search function and I assume this forum is similar but I haven't found it yet. I'll check the thread above.

 

Honestly, I don't always have good luck with the search function here. Sometimes I'll do a Google search and it will show RFC threads.

Google Search

 

You have 6,000 posts compared to my 17. I'm still tryin to locate where the men's rooms at.

 

As long as you are looking , you are on the right track.

 

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I have several CZ's it's a crap shoot barrel lottery with cz including the MTR's.
I have two Varmint VPC's that both shoot slightly (.100) better on average than my MTR's
All shoot slightly to well under an inch at 100 yds. Depending on wind and ME!

I would have no problem buying a 16.5" varmint if I had to start over today.
Then get appox 500-1000 rounds through it before you decide it needs another barrel.
Shoot at least mid grade ammo and up

 

Welcome to the forum. Many enablers here and Barrelhorses is one of the best. I have a Varmint and MTR and both shoot quite well. I am not a serious bench rest competitor just a weekly shooter competing against myself. Either rifle could be an excellent shooter.

Search this forum for any references to the "dealer" you are considering and ask for suggestions.

Does DD 581 refer to a US WWII vessel? Just curious since my father served on a LCS in WWII.
Charlie

 

Thanks Charlie. DD 581 refers to my initials and my Remington Model 581 which is the first gun I purchased 50 years ago. Truth be told I didn't know how good that gun was 50 years ago. Looks like once you start down this rabbit hole it's a long journey.

 

jcc7x7 agreed 100% with your "barrel lottery" comment. Seems to me like barrel quality trumps tighter chamber dimensions and I'm still not comfortable with the clumsy looking MTR stock.

 

I'd focus on the stock that suits your needs first in this comparison. Then decide. The MTR is more likely to group better, but maybe not. I have the Varmint and it's fantastic. I would like to own an MTR but there is no rush because I am content for now with my standard 457 Varmint.

 

I gotta be honest I started shooting this past summer after a 40 year layoff. I rejoined my old gun club and shot in a metallic silhouette match and had a ball. Six months ago I never even heard of CZ, Vortex, Nightforce, et. al. and now I want to get ready for the 2025 season. I know what I don't know, which is a lot, so I want to buy wisely and avoid the pitfalls of impulsive buying. That's why I joined this forum. Most everyone here knows more than I do.

 

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Amen brother!
Life is short, enjoy the ride.
There are a million things to spend your time and money on. I think you have chosen wisely.

 

DD,
Your journey is similar to mine. I shot a lot during summer visits with cousins in Alabama. Then nothing for decades until an interest in blackpowder rifles surfaced. That was fun until I could no longer see the front sight. A friend suggested vintage 22's and that redirected the journey. By chance I happened upon this site and the CZ forum. That led to a 455 American then several 457's. Recently I have drifted back to vintage 22 target rifles: Anschutz 1411, Winchester 52's, and most recently Remington 40x. Range trips usually involve a CZ or two plus a couple of vintage target rifles. I shoot in the monthly scoped CZ competition and also in the (factory/unlimited) competition in the online section here.

Hope you enjoy your journey and learn a lot.
Charlie

 

I need help/guidance with a lot. For the last 25 years my passion has been saltwater fishing. I need help with scope selection which will be my first major purchase. In the old days scopes were $200, now they're $2,000. I want to buy quality even if it means spending more up front. Buy once cry once. Every time I've ever bought where price was the determining factor I regretted that decision. Although I did buy a Hyundai that I love better than my MB.
So please help me buy wisely. Vortex, Leupold or something else?? CZ Varmint or MTR or something else??
I'm gonna try to catch a snook before the season closes. I'm very good at that.

 

please help me buy wisely. Vortex, Leupold o

For metallic silhouette its hard to beat the Leupold 6.5-20×. I'd reccomend the standard duplex or the new diamond reticle in the new scope choices. If shopping used one of the 1/2 or 5/8 moa dots is a great aid when shooting offhand.
Simple is best when shooting off ones legs. No christmas tree reticles, busy is the last thing you want. You also dont want to try and use hash marks as an aiming point, none will line up properly and even if they do, you'll focus on the wrong one from time to time.

 

ive both a MTR and a Varmint at-one and to be honest without a good lot of preferred ammo for both, shooting indoors or in no wind conditions I’m sadly not a good enough shot to tell a real differance.
I believe the MTR is better on the bag and the added weight is a help there too but, you might find different. I wouldn’t worry over which is most accurate unless you plan on shooting ARA or other high accuracy game, buy the prettier one and enjoy.

 

What type of shooting are you interested in? Are you going to hunt, shoot paper at 50/100 or shoot out to greater distance? Do you need a first focal plane or second focal plane? There are questions that need to be answered before folks can help you with scope selection.

 

And those are great questions. No hunting just club activities.
My gun club does a metallic silhouette rimfire match with targets at 50-100-150 and 200 yds.
The targets are different animal shapes chickens, pigs, turkeys, rams.
They also do a 100 yard benchrest competition for score using NRA-TQ-4 targets.
And finally a 100 yard offhand steel plate shoot with no shooting aids.

 

MTR's are available
CZ 457 Varmint MTR .22 LR For Sale | GrabAGun

I couldn't make my mind up either. The MTR has a tiny edge in accuracy now over the Varmint, but it took quite a few rounds for the MTR to settle in.

 

Maybe @Chickenhater will chime in and help you with scope choices for silhouette shooting. He is one of the silhouette gurus around here.

 

Depends on what youre gonna do. If youre just going to sit on a stool and shoot off a bench then the MTR is gonna be better than the Varmint.
its big and heavy, which helps the shooter off the bench. But imho its not a gun for offhand shooting , hunting, position shooting, or run and gun stuff. If youre gonna do it all with one gun , buy the Varmint. Imho, the best one they make is the one in the Manners stock. As for the difference in the chambering, thats what makes it harder to close the bolt as the bullet is being pushed onto the rifling so that there is no jump.
This does make a good barrel more accurate. But I have many non match chambered CZ s that are very accurate. The beauty of the 457 is that if you do get a bad barrel , you can buy a new one and put it in yourself.

As for scopes , again , what are you gonna do ? Shoot paper at 50 yards? Gongs at 200? Squirrels? Imho, you dont need to spend more than $300-$500 to do these things.

 

In the last few months I purchased an MTR and a friend purchased the regular varmint. Personally, the stock on the MTR is a lot more comfortable than the regular varmint. Accuracy wise, we're both seeing average groups in the .4s and some as good as a pinch under .2, with bulk ammo sometimes as bad as 1.6. We're both interested in ARA matches.

I've had no issues with chambering or ejection, including live rounds, with the MTR and neither has he. His rifle seems to be more tolerant of a wider variety of ammo, but only slightly. I might have an accuracy edge, but only with top end ammo (Lapua LR). Our stories seem to track with many others on this site. If the money is tight, I wouldn't hesitate to purchase the regular varmint and spend the couple hundred or so on better glass. I paid $770 for the MTR and he paid about $550 for the regular varmint.

-WV

 

The accuracy potential is suppose to be greater with the MTR than the Varmint.
But as others have said, you could have a great shooting lot of ammo and the Varmint will shoot great.
The MTR can be a bit choosy with ammo, but if you find what it likes it should shoot slightly better, as long as you can shoot the difference.
If you feel like your never going to upgrade or change anything out, then buy the MTR.
But if you think you might go down the rabbit hole and change out a few things, then the cheaper Varmint will let you get ahead with spending less initially.
You will not be disappointed with either.

 

In general terms, IM0/IME, a Varmint MTR will more often than not outgroup a standard Varmit. But, the lottery is always in play. Stinker MTRs slip out on occasion, and once in a while an eye-poppingly good standard Varmint shows up.
Also if you're not going to be changing the stock, you've got to dig or at least be able to accept that Varmint MTR stock. It's not everyone's cup of tea.
IMO, if you want a gun to drop onto the bench and get started with or even shoot ARA factory class, MTR is the way to go.
If the gun might become a FrankenCZ (aftermarket goodies added down the line) the standard Varmint would be my choice.

 

I'm in the fortunate position to be shooting both at the moment. Both have their merits. Both are very accurate with premium ammo and the MTR seems to have an edge with some mid-range ammo but not by much. Either will hold MOA or close to it with CCI SV or Norma Tac. Both will shoot SK Rifle Match sub-MOA. Both will hold near .3 for most groups using the Lapua ammo that I have.
Benchrest match shooters will prefer the MTR. I bought my Varmint for ARA Factory class because the price was good and it was available. I bought my MTR because it came up out of the blue at a very good price - not because I was eager to replace the Varmint.
Shooting both is interesting. It's likely that the steadier stock of the MTR contributes to the accuracy as much as the match chamber.
In testing, I think my MTR is marginally more accurate than my Varmint but the difference is mostly academic. I think the MTR averages slightly better across a variety of ammo. The Varmint is perfectly capable of impressive accuracy like this...

 

Here is a 10 shot group from my 457 Varmint with Eley Match 50 yards. It shoots SK and Lapua well too.
Key hole group?

 

I may have to try some Eley Match. The Lapua stuff is just too hard to get but the only Eley I've tried is some Club. I haven't been able to get it to shoot in anything I've tried but I did throw a few downrange today through the MTR. I only shot 3 5-shot groups toward the end of my session but they were definitely showing promise.

 

I wasn't fond of the mtr stock until I bought one. I like it better than my pro varmint stock and it shoots better as well.

 

Yes its a vx3 and it has plenty of adj... it only takes about 9min to go from SB chix to rams.
I use the older Leupold PR scopes, SB and HP, no issues with running out of correction out to 500m.